Government Regulations Discussion (Philosophical and/or Constitutional)

[manifold]

Even putting aside the stark demonstrations of consititutional ignorance, the discussion about television commercial volume has been pretty interesting and leads me to consider some fundamental questions about government regulation in general.

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

What things are you not ok with the government regulating?

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

 

[Big Black Dog]

I would love to answer these questions but unfortunately, it is against government regulations to speak of this...

 

[slackjawed]

We should allow our federal government to oversee the supply of currency, defend our borders , and deliver the mail.
Until they can do those things right, letting the federal government do anything else shouldn't even be considered.
State governments should be restored the responsibility of providing all other services within their borders.
The most powerful law enforcement agency in the United States should be your local police department or county Sherriff.

 

[rightwinger]

Sort of like the definition of pornography, you know it when you see it

 

[amrchaos]

Even putting aside the stark demonstrations of consititutional ignorance, the discussion about television commercial volume has been pretty interesting and leads me to consider some fundamental questions about government regulation in general.

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

What things are you not ok with the government regulating?

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Let me answer this question

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Yes. Some of my Philosophical/ideological views on government does differ from what is constitutionally acceptable.

Does not yours??

 

[slackjawed]

Even putting aside the stark demonstrations of consititutional ignorance, the discussion about television commercial volume has been pretty interesting and leads me to consider some fundamental questions about government regulation in general.

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

What things are you not ok with the government regulating?

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Let me answer this question

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Yes. Some of my Philosophical/ideological views on government does differ from what is constitutionally acceptable.

Does not yours??

Mine does. My belief is that the constitution was not written strongly enough to limit the power of the federal government.

 

[manifold]

Even putting aside the stark demonstrations of consititutional ignorance, the discussion about television commercial volume has been pretty interesting and leads me to consider some fundamental questions about government regulation in general.

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

What things are you not ok with the government regulating?

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Let me answer this question

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

Yes. Some of my Philosophical/ideological views on government does differ from what is constitutionally acceptable.

Does not yours??

It does differ, sometimes greatly, when I compare my philosphical views to what is acceptable constitutionally... in reality. That is, how the Constitution has been interpretted and applied. But not nearly as much academically. That is, when I compare my philosphical views to how I personally would interpret the Constitution.

 

[editec]

Even putting aside the stark demonstrations of consititutional ignorance, the discussion about television commercial volume has been pretty interesting and leads me to consider some fundamental questions about government regulation in general.

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

That which is can be shown must be regulated to insure a functioning society.

What things are you not ok with the government regulating?

Pretty much everything else...and I am a liberal, too.

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

Not really. Life is too complex to have a simple litmus test for this sort of issue.

Do your philosophical/ideological views on the matter differ from your understanding of what is acceptable constitutionally?

The constiution was written so vaguely, and gives the government such leeway, that we need a Supreme court to determine what is consitutional and what is not.

And probably like you I often disagree with them, but that's the system we have.

Those of you who image that there is some "strict" interpretation of the constitution are simply wrong.

The document itself is written in rubber.

For example the Second Amendment is so badly written, and now so irrlevant to our society (state militias? we don't have any!) that it's worthless.

And I actually DO believe that people ought to have the right to own, guns, but as far as I read that amdendment, they stopped having that right when the FEDs natioanlized the STATE national gueard units.

Like I say the constitution no longer really serves the purpose and ought to be rewritten if we want to have a STRICT interpetation of it it needs to be written in such a way that that is possible.

 

[manifold]

What things are you ok with the government (i.e. the people) regulating?

That which is can be shown must be regulated to insure a functioning society.

Can you give a few examples?

And how about examples of things currently regulated that don't meet your "must" criteria?

 

[Ravi]

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

The civil rights of individuals.

 

[manifold]

Is there a litmus test concerning acceptable vs not acceptable regulation in your opinion?

The civil rights of individuals.

Civil rights as defined how/where exactly?

 

[Ravi]

Main Entry: civil rights
Function: noun plural
Date: 1658
: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress

 

[Skull Pilot]

Main Entry: civil rights
Function: noun plural
Date: 1658
: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress

Is economic liberty included in your definition?

 

[Ravi]

Main Entry: civil rights
Function: noun plural
Date: 1658
: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress

Is economic liberty included in your definition?

Sure. But economic liberty doesn't mean you aren't obligated to pay your taxes.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I know our system, our constitution, etc ... are not perfect. And sure, like everyone else, I think we'd be better off if it all more closely represented my own personal philosophy of government.

But pollyanna as it may sound, I do believe that our system, constitution, etc has produced the most just, most prosperous, most influential, and most enviable society this planet has ever seen.

So (imho) we MUST be doing SOMETHING right.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Main Entry: civil rights
Function: noun plural
Date: 1658
: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress

Is economic liberty included in your definition?

Sure. But economic liberty doesn't mean you aren't obligated to pay your taxes.

No it means that the government is run at a minimal level so as to leave us all more of the money we earn. Not at a level where taxes are the largest annual expenditure for most people.

 

[Ravi]

Is economic liberty included in your definition?

Sure. But economic liberty doesn't mean you aren't obligated to pay your taxes.

No it means that the government is run at a minimal level so as to leave us all more of the money we earn. Not at a level where taxes are the largest annual expenditure for most people.

I doubt that taxes are the largest annual expenditure for most people...in fact I doubt that they are the largest annual expenditure for anyone.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Those who enjoy the benefits a society affords, have an obligation to help fund it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Sure. But economic liberty doesn't mean you aren't obligated to pay your taxes.

No it means that the government is run at a minimal level so as to leave us all more of the money we earn. Not at a level where taxes are the largest annual expenditure for most people.

I doubt that taxes are the largest annual expenditure for most people...in fact I doubt that they are the largest annual expenditure for anyone.

Really,

How much did you pay in taxes in 2009? Not just income taxes and Social Security but ALL taxes?

Personally my wife and I paid in well over 35 grand in just income and social security that does not include sales taxes, gas taxes, excise taxes, utility taxes etc etc etc. And I guarantee you I will pay in more for 2009 as those taxes were estimated on my 2008 income.

And my mortgage payments, my second biggest expenditure were only 24 grand in 2009. Actually my mortgage payments could have been less as I pay extra every month.

Taxes were my biggest expenditure. Hell I paid more in taxes than I put into my retirement accounts because the government limits my contributions.

So take a minute and add it all up and then tell me taxes aren't the biggest annual expenditure for most people.

 

[Ravi]

SS doesn't count as you have an expectation of getting it back.

And yes, I doubt you.