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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry


There's about a red pubic hair difference between #1 and #2
 

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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry




Good post.

But let's be real. The Dems didn't do this to the Republicans. They chose this road every time they capitulated their principles.

And I think the Dems are heading towards some fissures as well.
Nope. Dems didn’t cause it directly just indirectly by winning the culture war and controlling most of the media and Hollywood.
Or the other way around, perhaps. I tend to think that the media controls the democrats, myself. The Democrats only concern these days is getting elected. The media decides who that will be.
 
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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry


There's about a red pubic hair difference between #1 and #2
Incorrect. I am not a white supremacist. Your ignorance is noted.
 
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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry



The OP has some good points. But has Trump damaged himself so much that he is unelectable in the 2024 election? Clearly he cannot win in the General no matter who the Dems run, but will he saddle up and run for re-election in 2024 anyway? Man, I hope not but his ego is so huge that I can see him doing it. He truly thinks he actually won by a landslide, he's said it more than once so I can see him running again and with the same results, fraudulent or not. He is so toxic to everyone that is not a Trump groupie, he'll get those votes but no others.

I wonder if he will create a 3rd party like Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912, wouldn't surprise me if he did with himself as the front man. Assuming he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That year, Roosevelt lost the nomination for the Republican Party, so he ran as a 3rd party candidate. And lost, as did the Republican Taft, and thus we ended up with Woodrow Wilson as our president during WWI. Would Trump have enough time to get on the ballot in most states? Dunno. He could very well split the conservative vote and hand the election over to the democrats though. But I don't see Trump ever being elected again, either as a Republican or a 3rd Party candidate.

Regardless, at some point Trump will eventually die or just go away, and the GOP can begin to heal itself. I do think the GOP will recover, mostly cuz I believe the democrats are going to fuck things up royally, leaving the Republicans as the alternative choice. But the question is, how much damage will the democrats do in the meantime? Abolish the filibuster? Pack the Supreme Court? Admit DC and/or Puerto Rico as new (blue) states? Pretty much wreck the economy and take us into a recession or a depression? Don't laugh, it ain't funny and it could happen. The America we hand off to our children could be radically different and not for the better.
If he is impeached he cannot run again
 

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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry



The OP has some good points. But has Trump damaged himself so much that he is unelectable in the 2024 election? Clearly he cannot win in the General no matter who the Dems run, but will he saddle up and run for re-election in 2024 anyway? Man, I hope not but his ego is so huge that I can see him doing it. He truly thinks he actually won by a landslide, he's said it more than once so I can see him running again and with the same results, fraudulent or not. He is so toxic to everyone that is not a Trump groupie, he'll get those votes but no others.

I wonder if he will create a 3rd party like Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912, wouldn't surprise me if he did with himself as the front man. Assuming he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That year, Roosevelt lost the nomination for the Republican Party, so he ran as a 3rd party candidate. And lost, as did the Republican Taft, and thus we ended up with Woodrow Wilson as our president during WWI. Would Trump have enough time to get on the ballot in most states? Dunno. He could very well split the conservative vote and hand the election over to the democrats though. But I don't see Trump ever being elected again, either as a Republican or a 3rd Party candidate.

Regardless, at some point Trump will eventually die or just go away, and the GOP can begin to heal itself. I do think the GOP will recover, mostly cuz I believe the democrats are going to fuck things up royally, leaving the Republicans as the alternative choice. But the question is, how much damage will the democrats do in the meantime? Abolish the filibuster? Pack the Supreme Court? Admit DC and/or Puerto Rico as new (blue) states? Pretty much wreck the economy and take us into a recession or a depression? Don't laugh, it ain't funny and it could happen. The America we hand off to our children could be radically different and not for the better.
If he is impeached he cannot run again

Not exactly. The House can impeach him from now until doomsday but it means nothing unless the Senate votes to convict him. By a 2/3 vote if I'm not mistaken. I doubt that is going to happen, 17 Repubs would have to vote for a conviction; Those that voted for impeachment in the House or vote for a conviction in the senate will find themselves in some trouble in 2022.

As I said earlier, I don't think it matters. Trump won't win the GOP nomination in 2024 IMHO. Frankly, if I was a democrat I'd love to see him atop the Repub ticket in 2024, the man has burned too many bridges. I think he's unelectable.
 
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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry



The OP has some good points. But has Trump damaged himself so much that he is unelectable in the 2024 election? Clearly he cannot win in the General no matter who the Dems run, but will he saddle up and run for re-election in 2024 anyway? Man, I hope not but his ego is so huge that I can see him doing it. He truly thinks he actually won by a landslide, he's said it more than once so I can see him running again and with the same results, fraudulent or not. He is so toxic to everyone that is not a Trump groupie, he'll get those votes but no others.

I wonder if he will create a 3rd party like Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912, wouldn't surprise me if he did with himself as the front man. Assuming he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That year, Roosevelt lost the nomination for the Republican Party, so he ran as a 3rd party candidate. And lost, as did the Republican Taft, and thus we ended up with Woodrow Wilson as our president during WWI. Would Trump have enough time to get on the ballot in most states? Dunno. He could very well split the conservative vote and hand the election over to the democrats though. But I don't see Trump ever being elected again, either as a Republican or a 3rd Party candidate.

Regardless, at some point Trump will eventually die or just go away, and the GOP can begin to heal itself. I do think the GOP will recover, mostly cuz I believe the democrats are going to fuck things up royally, leaving the Republicans as the alternative choice. But the question is, how much damage will the democrats do in the meantime? Abolish the filibuster? Pack the Supreme Court? Admit DC and/or Puerto Rico as new (blue) states? Pretty much wreck the economy and take us into a recession or a depression? Don't laugh, it ain't funny and it could happen. The America we hand off to our children could be radically different and not for the better.
If he is impeached he cannot run again

Not exactly. The House can impeach him from now until doomsday but it means nothing unless the Senate votes to convict him. By a 2/3 vote if I'm not mistaken. I doubt that is going to happen, 17 Repubs would have to vote for a conviction; Those that voted for impeachment in the House or vote for a conviction in the senate will find themselves in some trouble in 2022.

As I said earlier, I don't think it matters. Trump won't win the GOP nomination in 2024 IMHO. Frankly, if I was a democrat I'd love to see him atop the Repub ticket in 2024, the man has burned too many bridges. I think he's unelectable.

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At the end of the day there isn't that much of a difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Democrats promise bad government and always deliver on bad government.

Republicans promise good government but most the time deliver about the same bad government we would have got had the Democrats been elected.

That is the reason the Swamp hated Trump so much. He ran as a Republican but didn't give into the Democrat filth like mainstream Republicans do.

I don't know why we bother with saying we have two parties. What we have is the shithead Democrats and Democrat Light. We are fucked with both of them.
Your logic is why gridlock is the best option, and single party rule is always a disaster.
 

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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry



The OP has some good points. But has Trump damaged himself so much that he is unelectable in the 2024 election? Clearly he cannot win in the General no matter who the Dems run, but will he saddle up and run for re-election in 2024 anyway? Man, I hope not but his ego is so huge that I can see him doing it. He truly thinks he actually won by a landslide, he's said it more than once so I can see him running again and with the same results, fraudulent or not. He is so toxic to everyone that is not a Trump groupie, he'll get those votes but no others.

I wonder if he will create a 3rd party like Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912, wouldn't surprise me if he did with himself as the front man. Assuming he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That year, Roosevelt lost the nomination for the Republican Party, so he ran as a 3rd party candidate. And lost, as did the Republican Taft, and thus we ended up with Woodrow Wilson as our president during WWI. Would Trump have enough time to get on the ballot in most states? Dunno. He could very well split the conservative vote and hand the election over to the democrats though. But I don't see Trump ever being elected again, either as a Republican or a 3rd Party candidate.

Regardless, at some point Trump will eventually die or just go away, and the GOP can begin to heal itself. I do think the GOP will recover, mostly cuz I believe the democrats are going to fuck things up royally, leaving the Republicans as the alternative choice. But the question is, how much damage will the democrats do in the meantime? Abolish the filibuster? Pack the Supreme Court? Admit DC and/or Puerto Rico as new (blue) states? Pretty much wreck the economy and take us into a recession or a depression? Don't laugh, it ain't funny and it could happen. The America we hand off to our children could be radically different and not for the better.
If he is impeached he cannot run again
I believe that is Impeached AND convicted by the Senate, not impeached and acquitted,
 
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Way I see it there party is fractured into three parts to simplify it.

#1) The new Trump party. These are ardent to the death Trump supporters. He does not do anything wrong. He wants what is best for the country. Best President Ever. Trump or Death. Consider liberals to be the enemy of America. Believe GOP who turned on Trump are traitors. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture. See AOC as an idiot. ~ 30%

#2) The Independent/Moderate. They like Trump's fiscal policies. They think he needs to at times tone down his rhetoric. They like his America First stance and strong military buildout. They have concerns over the budget deficit. They will support other candidates. They are strongly concerned with the PC/Cancel culture as well but consider liberals to be just people with opposing POV but leftists are the enemy of America as are the Alt Right. See AOC as an idiot. ~55%

#3) They are old school GOP, many call them RINOs. They hate Trump and would rather vote 3rd party, not vote or vote Democrat rather than support him. They despise everything about him. Now that he is gone they will likely come back to the party but maybe not. See AOC as an idiot. ~15%


As I can gauge all three dislike one another and it would be tough to find candidates in 2022 (House) and 2024 (WH0 to placate the full 100% so to me the Democratic Party will be running this country for the next few elections, I say ~12 years. For those who care....I am the one in the middle. Independent/Moderate. I do not believe that Trump caused this fracture. It was always there. But Trump brought it out into the open for sure.

Congratulations again to the Democratic Party. You own Washington and you won the culture war. I am still unsure as to how this happened as many of the positions are illogical to me but no one cares what losers think. For now you are the winners and winners write history.

Let me have it...sincerely, The Pale Orc.

Forgot a link...sorry



The OP has some good points. But has Trump damaged himself so much that he is unelectable in the 2024 election? Clearly he cannot win in the General no matter who the Dems run, but will he saddle up and run for re-election in 2024 anyway? Man, I hope not but his ego is so huge that I can see him doing it. He truly thinks he actually won by a landslide, he's said it more than once so I can see him running again and with the same results, fraudulent or not. He is so toxic to everyone that is not a Trump groupie, he'll get those votes but no others.

I wonder if he will create a 3rd party like Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912, wouldn't surprise me if he did with himself as the front man. Assuming he doesn't win the GOP nomination. That year, Roosevelt lost the nomination for the Republican Party, so he ran as a 3rd party candidate. And lost, as did the Republican Taft, and thus we ended up with Woodrow Wilson as our president during WWI. Would Trump have enough time to get on the ballot in most states? Dunno. He could very well split the conservative vote and hand the election over to the democrats though. But I don't see Trump ever being elected again, either as a Republican or a 3rd Party candidate.

Regardless, at some point Trump will eventually die or just go away, and the GOP can begin to heal itself. I do think the GOP will recover, mostly cuz I believe the democrats are going to fuck things up royally, leaving the Republicans as the alternative choice. But the question is, how much damage will the democrats do in the meantime? Abolish the filibuster? Pack the Supreme Court? Admit DC and/or Puerto Rico as new (blue) states? Pretty much wreck the economy and take us into a recession or a depression? Don't laugh, it ain't funny and it could happen. The America we hand off to our children could be radically different and not for the better.
If he is impeached he cannot run again
I believe that is Impeached AND convicted by the Senate, not impeached and acquitted,
Correct.
 

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"Instead of seizing the opportunity President Trump handed them in 2016 to prove to Americans that they were capable of tackling the immigration, trade, and health care issues Republican voters prioritized, Republican leaders decided to waste most of the president's first two years in office by giving Obama and Clinton cover for a Russia hoax that was designed and utilized by Democrats both to spy on Donald Trump's campaign and hamstring his presidency."
 

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Trump wanted to run for president and really hated Obama, who mocked him over the Birther bs. Obviously, the dems didn't want Trump as a nominee. So, his option was the gop. And the gop ceased having any principles beyond serving the plutocracy.

The question is where does the gop go from here. They just lost Az and Ga. They no longer have any hope of winning a maj vote, and their only path the presidency is the EC. In fact, they couldn't control the Senate unless each state got 2.

As gipper points out the dems have problems of their own, but those aren't really the subject. In 2016, people who suffered from the Wall Street induced recession on bogus bonds, decided the dems didn't have their backs.
 

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