Good thing this British woman didn't have a gun, sure, she may lose the sight in one eye...but....

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

 

[BlackFlag]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

No but her death would have been as easy as a slight movement of a finger.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If she had a gun, one or more of the attackers would have been killed. Now no one has been killed. It keeps the murder rate low.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

No but her death would have been as easy as a slight movement of a finger.

What do ya wanna bet they do have illegal firearms and knew they wouldnt need em.

 

[BlackFlag]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

No but her death would have been as easy as a slight movement of a finger.

What do ya wanna bet they do have illegal firearms and knew they wouldnt need em.

I’d be willing to bet on that. A gun is the best possible tool for crime. Either the criminals were stupid or getting a gun was more work than they were willing to put in.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

No but her death would have been as easy as a slight movement of a finger.

What do ya wanna bet they do have illegal firearms and knew they wouldnt need em.

I’d be willing to bet on that. A gun is the best possible tool for crime. Either the criminals were stupid or getting a gun was more work than they were willing to put in.

Why would they need a gun to subdue a chick?
If they'd used a gun they would incur much more serious charges if caught.

 

[BlackFlag]

If they'd used a gun they would incur much more serious charges if caught.

Sounds like you’re arguing a point in favor of gun control

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If they'd used a gun they would incur much more serious charges if caught.

Sounds like you’re arguing a point in favor of gun control

Nope.

 

[BlackFlag]

If they'd used a gun they would incur much more serious charges if caught.

Sounds like you’re arguing a point in favor of gun control

Nope.

Then you should argue that gun crimes shouldn’t carry a harsher sentence since that’s a form of gun control

 

[2aguy]

Thank goodness the attackers didn’t have guns

You'd need a gun to subdue a chick?

No but her death would have been as easy as a slight movement of a finger.

What do ya wanna bet they do have illegal firearms and knew they wouldnt need em.

I’d be willing to bet on that. A gun is the best possible tool for crime. Either the criminals were stupid or getting a gun was more work than they were willing to put in.

And a gun is the best tool for saving lives from violent criminals...a criminal doesn't need a gun to rape, rob or murder...but a normal person, not used to violence, is at a disadvantage facing one or more sociopaths or psychopaths, and a gun allows them to survive.....

 

[2aguy]

You really need to read your own article before mouthing off.

And you need to know a "smidgen" of history before inserting your foot in yours.

The greater picture FOR gun ownership is not self-defense. It is National Defense.
History proves that an armed civilian population is less likely to fall victim to tyrants.

Given your TDS with Trump, it would seem you might understand. Apparently you leftist fakes don't feel much threatened by Trump after all or you'd be defending your rights to bear arms, not begging to give them away.

The alternative is that you folks really are JUST THAT Stupid.

Hi, just an FYI, I'm British posting in the Europe forum about a topic relating to the UK, got that? Oh, regarding "history" here's an interesting article about .38 "special people" and defence against tyranny Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever - The Atlantic Now don't forget to take your medication, there's a good boy/girl/basichumanunit.

The United States..


.where there are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million Americans carry them for self defense....

Major US cities see crime, murder rates drop in 2018

Murder and crime rates in the nation’s largest cities, including some riven by gang violence, extended their decades-long decline in 2018.

A new report from the Brennan Center for Justice shows the murder rate fell by almost 6 percent between 2017 and 2018 in the 30 largest U.S. cities.

Violent crime overall dropped by about 2.7 percent in cities where data was available, while the overall crime rate declined 1.8 percent.

“This is a trend starting in the early ‘90s, where crime has been plummeting,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “We are at all-time lows for crime. We’re not in the middle of a crime wave.”

The report comes as the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on a White House-backed criminal justice reform measure that would overhaul sentencing guidelines and prison practices in hopes of reducing recidivism. The bill also would end mandatory life sentences for some crimes under the three-strikes law.

Britain...

Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.



Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

And a gun is the best tool for saving lives from violent criminals...a criminal doesn't need a gun to rape, rob or murder...but a normal person, not used to violence, is at a disadvantage facing one or more sociopaths or psychopaths, and a gun allows them to survive.....

There is one tool better.
Rid the nation of Leftist ideology and the destruction, chaos, corruption and discord it brings.

Most of this nations modern criminal and violence problems can be back tracked to insane leftist ideology and policies.

150 years ago, CHILDREN carried loaded guns to school. Yet there are no recorded incidences of children intentionally shooting other children outside of the fake few propaganda stories made up by the left created out of thin air to confuse weak gullible minds.

We have a "gun" problem today ONLY because we have a Leftist ideology problem.

 

[Vagabond63]

You really need to read your own article before mouthing off.

And you need to know a "smidgen" of history before inserting your foot in yours.

The greater picture FOR gun ownership is not self-defense. It is National Defense.
History proves that an armed civilian population is less likely to fall victim to tyrants.

Given your TDS with Trump, it would seem you might understand. Apparently you leftist fakes don't feel much threatened by Trump after all or you'd be defending your rights to bear arms, not begging to give them away.

The alternative is that you folks really are JUST THAT Stupid.

Hi, just an FYI, I'm British posting in the Europe forum about a topic relating to the UK, got that? Oh, regarding "history" here's an interesting article about .38 "special people" and defence against tyranny Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever - The Atlantic Now don't forget to take your medication, there's a good boy/girl/basichumanunit.

The United States..


.where there are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million Americans carry them for self defense....

Major US cities see crime, murder rates drop in 2018

Murder and crime rates in the nation’s largest cities, including some riven by gang violence, extended their decades-long decline in 2018.

A new report from the Brennan Center for Justice shows the murder rate fell by almost 6 percent between 2017 and 2018 in the 30 largest U.S. cities.

Violent crime overall dropped by about 2.7 percent in cities where data was available, while the overall crime rate declined 1.8 percent.

“This is a trend starting in the early ‘90s, where crime has been plummeting,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “We are at all-time lows for crime. We’re not in the middle of a crime wave.”

The report comes as the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on a White House-backed criminal justice reform measure that would overhaul sentencing guidelines and prison practices in hopes of reducing recidivism. The bill also would end mandatory life sentences for some crimes under the three-strikes law.

Britain...

Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.



Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

Would those 30 cities in the USA be Democrat controlled cities by any chance?

 

[Vagabond63]

They took her mobile phone in the first pass at her..

Yes, and the article states she chased after them and recovered her phone, do try to keep up.

 

[2aguy]

You really need to read your own article before mouthing off.

And you need to know a "smidgen" of history before inserting your foot in yours.

The greater picture FOR gun ownership is not self-defense. It is National Defense.
History proves that an armed civilian population is less likely to fall victim to tyrants.

Given your TDS with Trump, it would seem you might understand. Apparently you leftist fakes don't feel much threatened by Trump after all or you'd be defending your rights to bear arms, not begging to give them away.

The alternative is that you folks really are JUST THAT Stupid.

Hi, just an FYI, I'm British posting in the Europe forum about a topic relating to the UK, got that? Oh, regarding "history" here's an interesting article about .38 "special people" and defence against tyranny Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever - The Atlantic Now don't forget to take your medication, there's a good boy/girl/basichumanunit.

The United States..


.where there are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million Americans carry them for self defense....

Major US cities see crime, murder rates drop in 2018

Murder and crime rates in the nation’s largest cities, including some riven by gang violence, extended their decades-long decline in 2018.

A new report from the Brennan Center for Justice shows the murder rate fell by almost 6 percent between 2017 and 2018 in the 30 largest U.S. cities.

Violent crime overall dropped by about 2.7 percent in cities where data was available, while the overall crime rate declined 1.8 percent.

“This is a trend starting in the early ‘90s, where crime has been plummeting,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “We are at all-time lows for crime. We’re not in the middle of a crime wave.”

The report comes as the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on a White House-backed criminal justice reform measure that would overhaul sentencing guidelines and prison practices in hopes of reducing recidivism. The bill also would end mandatory life sentences for some crimes under the three-strikes law.

Britain...

Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.



Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

Would those 30 cities in the USA be Democrat controlled cities by any chance?

Likely. But eventually, even criminals get tired of murdering each other.

 

[2aguy]

They took her mobile phone in the first pass at her..

Yes, and the article states she chased after them and recovered her phone, do try to keep up.

And knowing that, they weren't afraid to attack her again. Had she had a gun, and produced it the during the first attack, they would have left her alone....just like the woman here, who was approached by the two men with the baseball bat...they didn't come back and attack her again....they left her unharmed and left the scene.

 

[Vagabond63]

You really need to read your own article before mouthing off.

And you need to know a "smidgen" of history before inserting your foot in yours.

The greater picture FOR gun ownership is not self-defense. It is National Defense.
History proves that an armed civilian population is less likely to fall victim to tyrants.

Given your TDS with Trump, it would seem you might understand. Apparently you leftist fakes don't feel much threatened by Trump after all or you'd be defending your rights to bear arms, not begging to give them away.

The alternative is that you folks really are JUST THAT Stupid.

Hi, just an FYI, I'm British posting in the Europe forum about a topic relating to the UK, got that? Oh, regarding "history" here's an interesting article about .38 "special people" and defence against tyranny Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever - The Atlantic Now don't forget to take your medication, there's a good boy/girl/basichumanunit.

The United States..


.where there are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million Americans carry them for self defense....

Major US cities see crime, murder rates drop in 2018

Murder and crime rates in the nation’s largest cities, including some riven by gang violence, extended their decades-long decline in 2018.

A new report from the Brennan Center for Justice shows the murder rate fell by almost 6 percent between 2017 and 2018 in the 30 largest U.S. cities.

Violent crime overall dropped by about 2.7 percent in cities where data was available, while the overall crime rate declined 1.8 percent.

“This is a trend starting in the early ‘90s, where crime has been plummeting,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “We are at all-time lows for crime. We’re not in the middle of a crime wave.”

The report comes as the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on a White House-backed criminal justice reform measure that would overhaul sentencing guidelines and prison practices in hopes of reducing recidivism. The bill also would end mandatory life sentences for some crimes under the three-strikes law.

Britain...

Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.



Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

Would those 30 cities in the USA be Democrat controlled cities by any chance?

Likely. But eventually, even criminals get tired of murdering each other.

There you go, we won't need guns when all the criminals have murdered each other, will we?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

There you go, we won't need guns when all the criminals have murdered each other, will we?

The possession of guns in the USA has NOTHING to do with street criminals.....and EVERYTHING to do with Washington criminals.
Self defense is a wonderful by product, side issue.

US History 101

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I'd rather take my chances as a free person and have a 1 in 30,000,000 chance of being shot by a Democrat savage,.....

than give up my freedom and have a 1 in 10 chance of enduring Democrat Total government tyranny & corruption

 

[2aguy]

I'd rather take my chances as a free person and have a 1 in 30,000,000 chance of being shot by a Democrat savage,.....

than give up my freedom and have a 1 in 10 chance of enduring Democrat Total government tyranny & corruption

I once heard a poem about that.....criminals kill in the ones and twos, but government kills in the millions.....