Good thing Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment and banned guns.....these criminals would be getting shot all over the place.

[2aguy]

Geezsus! Now it’s a repeat offender and damn must be a minority and possibly a muslim….


I choose a gun restricted society which doesn’t have the gun crimes that we have.


Even in the olde west the sheriff took your guns at city limits to reduce crime.

And answer the question....

Which do you prefer.....a woman and her 14 year old daughter are brutally raped by a repeat, violent criminal, released over and over by the government, or they use a gun to stop the rape by shooting the criminal?

Why won't you give an answer to that question?

The old west lie is old........it didn't work then, doesn't work now.....

 

[otto105]

You assume, as the ass that you are, that the gun control laws keep criminals from getting and using guns......ask Sweden how that is working out for them....their criminals are on the escalation path, having gone from shooting each other in the legs and butt, to now killing each other....and they are using grenades like confetti too....

Britain is on that path, their criminals are using guns to kill now, where before they would shoot to wound.......

Our gun crime is 95% due to the policies of the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders, and attacking the police to the point they will not do their jobs for fear of persecution, and are quitting and retiring in huge numbers......

How do I know this.....?

Because as more Americans bought and carried guns our gun crime rate went down...until 2015 when the democrat party adopted their anti-police, pro-criminal policies.....


You have to explain away the following.....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

You better update your propaganda, its old.

 

[otto105]

And answer the question....

Which do you prefer.....a woman and her 14 year old daughter are brutally raped by a repeat, violent criminal, released over and over by the government, or they use a gun to stop the rape by shooting the criminal?

Why won't you give an answer to that question?

The old west lie is old........it didn't work then, doesn't work now.....

You want a gun crime rate 646X what they have now.

Why is that?

 

[2aguy]

You want a gun crime rate 646X what they have now.

Why is that?

You still didn't answer the question......

Which do you prefer, a woman and her 14 year old daughter were actually brutally raped by a repeatedly released, violent criminal, or they could have had a gun to stop the rape...........?

 

[Vagabond63]

You don't know what you are talking about even on this issue....without the U.S. the Soviet Union would have been conquered by the Germans....

Oh good grief! I never said British and American aid didn't help the Soviets, merely that the Soviets launched a counter offensive before the effects of that could make itself felt. Do pay attention. The greatest help the Allies gave the USSR was the number of trucks they sent, allowing the Red Army to maintain supply lines.

 

[Vagabond63]

Not war statistics.....the 15 million people murdered were not casualties of the war. These people lived in European countries that did what you wanted...they banned guns, and 15 years after banning guns, they murdered 15 million people...

Total BS, as usual.

 

[Vagabond63]

He might not die...

But that appears to be your preferred outcome every time you post.

 

[2aguy]

Total BS, as usual.

More actual research…….putting your fingers in your ears and shouting…”I don’t believe it nah nah nah nah….” Isn’t an actual argument……

 

[2aguy]

But that appears to be your preferred outcome every time you post.

No….my preferred outcome is the woman and her 14 year old daughter are not brutally raped whether they have to use the gun to kill the violently criminal or not………but it is preferable that he is shot rather than be allowed to get away to keep brutally rape other defenseless women and girls…..

the more important question for us is why you and Otto refuse to answer that same question…..

Which is the your preferred outcome….the woman and her 14 year old daughter are both brutally raped, or they have a gun they can use to stop the rape? Whether they actually have to shoot the criminal or not?

 

[Blues Man]

I would rather have a country which doesn't have a gun violence rate 646X that of the UK.

Gun deaths in America: how many people killed in US compared to UK and rest of world

The reason we have the gun violence we do is because city state and the federal governments have all abdicated their responsibilities to uphold and enforce the laws we have on the books.

Every arrest made of anyone illegally possessing a firearm is a federal crime but none of these crimes are prosecuted
In some cities gun charges are dropped over 70% of the time in plea deals


Everyone already knows where the vast majority of murders occur in this country. It is a fact that our poorest urban neighborhoods account for 70% or more of all the murders in this country. In fact these areas often have murder rates that are 5 or more times the national average. But local, state and federal law enforcement in this country ignores the problem because these murders are primarily young minority males killing other young minority males and no one gives a shit.

 

[Hollie]

Most people in Europe manage to live their lives without needing guns at all, it's called civilisation. From what you preach, America seems to be a barbarous country full of murderers, rapists, thieves, etc. that requires everyone to carry guns to protect themselves, sad.

Most of Europe, especially pre WW2, and much now, lives under authoritarian / socialist regimes. Those types of regimes never allow an armed population because such a population is more difficult to control. The other error you make is not understanding that the US has a Constitution that affirms inalienable rights to its population. That precept is utterly absent in authoritarian / socialist regimes.

 

[Blues Man]

That happened in the UK?

In the UK you are more likely to be arrested for defending yourself and your family against a home invader than the home invader is.
Oh and let's not ignore the fact that there is no freedom of speech or assembly in the UK either/

 

[Vagabond63]

In the UK you are more likely to be arrested for defending yourself and your family against a home invader than the home invader is.
Oh and let's not ignore the fact that there is no freedom of speech or assembly in the UK either/

Getting that way, true. Because of Right wing Conservative governments.

 

[Blues Man]

Getting that way, true. Because of Right wing Conservative governments.

And you better not read the "wrong books"

 

[Vagabond63]

Most of Europe, especially pre WW2, and much now, lives under authoritarian / socialist regimes. Those types of regimes never allow an armed population because such a population is more difficult to control. The other error you make is not understanding that the US has a Constitution that affirms inalienable rights to its population. That precept is utterly absent in authoritarian / socialist regimes.

Drivel. The only regimes that reduce the rights of their citizens are the Right Wing populist (aka fascist) regimes that currently exist in many Eastern European countries.

 

[Vagabond63]

And you better not read the "wrong books"

I can read any book I want to, unlike in Republican controlled states where books are banned.

 

[2aguy]

Getting that way, true. Because of Right wing Conservative governments.

Now that is funny...........your left wing wrecks the country, then you blame the less left wing Tories......you really don't have an American style Conservative party, you have big government and less big government parties......

 

[2aguy]

Drivel. The only regimes that reduce the rights of their citizens are the Right Wing populist (aka fascist) regimes that currently exist in many Eastern European countries.

Fascism isn't Right Wing, it is socialism........

 

[Vagabond63]

In the UK you are more likely to be arrested for defending yourself and your family against a home invader than the home invader is.

Depends on the level of force you use, it's always been like that in most civilised countries.

 

[2aguy]

I can read any book I want to, unlike in Republican controlled states where books are banned.

No books are banned in the U.S....we just try to keep books about children having sex out of our public schools and libraries....