Good sumaritans now criminals

[JoeB131]

You think big L libertarian, not small l, and my federalist nature overrides that.

Um, wow, that was a meaningless distinction. Either we have constitutional rights or we don't. Not, "You have rights, but only depending on what state you are standing in that day." That's what got us Jim Crow and a lot of other bad ideas.

The threshold is for a judge to decide with laws enacted by a legislature dedicated to that purpose.

Oh, I see, as long as a legislature throws out your constitutional rights, then it's okay then. (Unless we are talking about buying guns, of course.)

The problem is the people in charge don't want to solve the issue, they just want to create government jobs and retire to a nice pension off the issue.

Except we could solve the problem pretty easily. Dedicate enough money to treatment programs and do real fucking background checks when Nutty McCrazypants comes in to buy a gun.

 

[martybegan]

Um, wow, that was a meaningless distinction. Either we have constitutional rights or we don't. Not, "You have rights, but only depending on what state you are standing in that day." That's what got us Jim Crow and a lot of other bad ideas.


Oh, I see, as long as a legislature throws out your constitutional rights, then it's okay then. (Unless we are talking about buying guns, of course.)



Except we could solve the problem pretty easily. Dedicate enough money to treatment programs and do real fucking background checks when Nutty McCrazypants comes in to buy a gun.

You put them in front of a judge based on a law covering the situation, and your rights are protected.

These people break the law with regularity. What is the difference in convicting them and incarcerating them and adjudicating them and putting them in forced treatment?

How does a gun come into play when some nut shoves someone onto a subway platform?

We already throw money at the issue, most of it going to bloated bureaucracies of homeless this, and social service, that.

 

[JoeB131]

You put them in front of a judge based on a law covering the situation, and your rights are protected.

These people break the law with regularity. What is the difference in convicting them and incarcerating them and adjudicating them and putting them in forced treatment?

Again, sounds like a policy that will penalize poverty. Affluent people will get help, poor people will get busted for minor offenses like pissing on a subway.

How does a gun come into play when some nut shoves someone onto a subway platform?

It doesn't. But it does come into play when someone shoots up a theater.

Hate to say it, a platform pusher MIGHT kill one person.

A Joker Holmes or Adam Lanza can kill a dozen.

We already throw money at the issue, most of it going to bloated bureaucracies of homeless this, and social service, that.

18% of the population suffers from some kind of mental illness. We spend $280 billion, but most of that goes to treating minor stuff like anxiety and depression.

Reducing the Economic Burden of Unmet Mental Health Needs | CEA | The White House

It is vital to understand the full costs of the mental health crisis affecting our nation. Left untreated, mental health disorders affect the well-being of children, adults, families, and communities—both because of the emotional costs as well as the economic ramifications. These disorders were...

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[martybegan]

Again, sounds like a policy that will penalize poverty. Affluent people will get help, poor people will get busted for minor offenses like pissing on a subway.


It doesn't. But it does come into play when someone shoots up a theater.

Hate to say it, a platform pusher MIGHT kill one person.

A Joker Holmes or Adam Lanza can kill a dozen.



18% of the population suffers from some kind of mental illness. We spend $280 billion, but most of that goes to treating minor stuff like anxiety and depression.

Reducing the Economic Burden of Unmet Mental Health Needs | CEA | The White House

It is vital to understand the full costs of the mental health crisis affecting our nation. Left untreated, mental health disorders affect the well-being of children, adults, families, and communities—both because of the emotional costs as well as the economic ramifications. These disorders were...

www.whitehouse.gov

That's the thinking that just lets them suffer on the streets because faux guilty idiots like you have removed shame from the equation for people who can't support themselves.

What about the guy who ran over a dozen people in NYC?

If they can't get a gun, what's to stop them from getting a car and plowing into a crowd. Guns are used because they are the thing people think of when they want to commit these crimes. get rid of them, and I have a feeling you willl see tons more of the "plow into the crowd" group killers because it's a simple substitute.


280B federal only, States spend a ton of money on this as well.