Going to give Apple a try.

[HereWeGoAgain]

At this point of tech, I'd say that whether Apple of 'IBM compatible' means very little. Used to, but now apps are available for either and good apps for both. So unless a fanboy of one or the other which you go with doesn't ultimately matter.

Learning you can still install windows made it a little more palatable.
And finding out that you get a clean version of windows without all the bloatware made it very attractive.
Like I said though,the main reason I'm switching is to avoid all the problems I've been having with PCs.
That and the Retina display.

Dunno what problems plague modern MS OS users, but I"m still on win 98se with no issues at all. So maybe not upgrading 'because they tell ya too' is part of it.

I've been building, repairing, upgrading, and installing software on computers for 20 years now. I have solved computer problems for hundreds of people over the years, and still do it today. I have people mailing me computers to fix. I also fix many from my desk via "TeamViewer". Over the years, I've found that 99% of the problems people have with their computer is nothing more than operator error, downloading programs with junk attached, not having security settings properly set, and just not knowing anything about computers except how to turn them on and off.

I'm running Windows 7 and have no problems at all. Over the years, I've used every Windows system available. I started in 1985 with a Color Computer II, and went up from there. Most problems can be corrected quickly, and once the settings are properly set, the computer junk cleaned away, and a few instructions given, most people have few, is any, problems afterwards.

Which is exactly why I'm going to give Apple a shot.
I'm no computer wiz by any stretch and from what I've read Apple is a little more trouble free.
That and the fact that I've never had a problem with my iphone.

 

[Andylusion]

At this point of tech, I'd say that whether Apple of 'IBM compatible' means very little. Used to, but now apps are available for either and good apps for both. So unless a fanboy of one or the other which you go with doesn't ultimately matter.

Learning you can still install windows made it a little more palatable.
And finding out that you get a clean version of windows without all the bloatware made it very attractive.
Like I said though,the main reason I'm switching is to avoid all the problems I've been having with PCs.
That and the Retina display.

My experience with installing windows on a mac, is less than positive. I would not count on that as a plan.

I had problems with my PC so much so, that I have been on a Mac for decades. I keep a PC around for certain specific things, but every 'mission critical' computer use I have ever done, is on my Mac. I've never lost my work. Never had a virus of any kind. Never any trouble getting peripherals to work. Plug-and-play, is actually a real thing with my Mac. Now that I think about it, I don't think I have ever had to download a driver, for any device I have ever connected to my Mac. Everything just works.

There are some programs and applications that are simply not available for Mac. Even so, I don't think there has ever been any program I have needed, that I could not locate a Mac equivalent to. It does take a bit to get used to, but it's like riding a different bike. You just learn the different quirks of the design, and everything gets easier as you go.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

At this point of tech, I'd say that whether Apple of 'IBM compatible' means very little. Used to, but now apps are available for either and good apps for both. So unless a fanboy of one or the other which you go with doesn't ultimately matter.

Learning you can still install windows made it a little more palatable.
And finding out that you get a clean version of windows without all the bloatware made it very attractive.
Like I said though,the main reason I'm switching is to avoid all the problems I've been having with PCs.
That and the Retina display.

My experience with installing windows on a mac, is less than positive. I would not count on that as a plan.

I had problems with my PC so much so, that I have been on a Mac for decades. I keep a PC around for certain specific things, but every 'mission critical' computer use I have ever done, is on my Mac. I've never lost my work. Never had a virus of any kind. Never any trouble getting peripherals to work. Plug-and-play, is actually a real thing with my Mac. Now that I think about it, I don't think I have ever had to download a driver, for any device I have ever connected to my Mac. Everything just works.

There are some programs and applications that are simply not available for Mac. Even so, I don't think there has ever been any program I have needed, that I could not locate a Mac equivalent to. It does take a bit to get used to, but it's like riding a different bike. You just learn the different quirks of the design, and everything gets easier as you go.

The only reason I'd want to install windows is my familiarity with it.

If the MacBook is as intuitive as the iphone,I dont see me having to much trouble.

 

[Ringel05]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I have an Apple iMac, a MacBook Pro laptop, iPhone 5 and an iPad. Love them all. It's all good. Just decide what you want.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

I wouldnt mind the 17 inch screen myself but two grand is about as much as I'm willing to spend on a laptop.
The wife laughed at me and reminded me I have a forty five hundred dollar AR and a two grand .45.....I reminded her the laptop wont save her ass if things go hinky.

 

[Ringel05]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

I wouldnt mind the 17 inch screen myself but two grand is about as much as I'm willing to spend on a laptop.
The wife laughed at me and reminded me I have a forty five hundred dollar AR and a two grand .45.....I reminded her the laptop wont save her ass if things go hinky.

You can get 17" Macbook Pros (refurbished or used) for under a grand, Apple doesn't make a 17" any more, the biggest they have is 15".

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

I wouldnt mind the 17 inch screen myself but two grand is about as much as I'm willing to spend on a laptop.
The wife laughed at me and reminded me I have a forty five hundred dollar AR and a two grand .45.....I reminded her the laptop wont save her ass if things go hinky.

You can get 17" Macbook Pros (refurbished or used) for under a grand, Apple doesn't make a 17" any more, the biggest they have is 15".

I dont buy anything used if I can avoid it unless it's something I'm capable of fixing myself.
I've had some bad experiences with it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I've been a windows user from the beginning,but after going through three mid range laptops in just over a year and having iphones that never fail I've decided to go to the dark side. Or the hipster side as it were.
Any advice from MacBook Pro users on making the switch a little less painful?

.

That's basically like going from heterosexual to taking it up the ass from bikers you've never met before - but WAY more gay..

But whatever floats your boat..

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I've been a windows user from the beginning,but after going through three mid range laptops in just over a year and having iphones that never fail I've decided to go to the dark side. Or the hipster side as it were.
Any advice from MacBook Pro users on making the switch a little less painful?

.

That's basically like going from heterosexual to taking it up the ass from bikers you've never met before - but WAY more gay..

But whatever floats your boat..

I'll put the .45 on my hip while using it to counter act the gay..

 

[Ringel05]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

I wouldnt mind the 17 inch screen myself but two grand is about as much as I'm willing to spend on a laptop.
The wife laughed at me and reminded me I have a forty five hundred dollar AR and a two grand .45.....I reminded her the laptop wont save her ass if things go hinky.

You can get 17" Macbook Pros (refurbished or used) for under a grand, Apple doesn't make a 17" any more, the biggest they have is 15".

I dont buy anything used if I can avoid it unless it's something I'm capable of fixing myself.
I've had some bad experiences with it.

All our desktops are home built, all our laptops are refurbished, my wife's (old Dell given to me by a co-worked, it didn't work) I "rebuilt". That Dell was first introduced in 2006, 9 years ago, if I put Win 7 back on it it would work fine, just very slowly. None of my refurbished laptops have ever given me any problems except the one I dropped, somehow killing the sound.
My first laptops were used Lenovos, never had any problem with them either though I know what to look for. My home office has 3 desktops, a laptop, computer parts and stacks of operating systems (mostly Linux) and other software (mostly games........).
Let me rephase something, the dell E1705 will work well but only very slowly the way my wife uses it. She generally has 5 to 7 programs open and running at the same time, the E1705 can't handle that workload. A typical user would not have as big an issue with the not so super fast normal usage.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Might have to break down and get the wife a Macbook pro. She's been using an old Dell Inspiron 17" E1705 for years mainly because she loves the keyboard layout, very similar to the Macbook's. The old Dell is slow, I've done everything I could to speed it up but it just seems to get slower. Finally she told me to load Linux on it if that will make it faster...... Loaded Mint xfce last night, was up until 2 am trying to unsuccessfully fix two issues, no wifi and a very dim screen.
She also really needs M$ Office as that is what she uses for work and M$ makes a version for Apple.
Gonna have to find a refurbished or used 17" Macbook pro cause she also want's the 17" screen.

I wouldnt mind the 17 inch screen myself but two grand is about as much as I'm willing to spend on a laptop.
The wife laughed at me and reminded me I have a forty five hundred dollar AR and a two grand .45.....I reminded her the laptop wont save her ass if things go hinky.

You can get 17" Macbook Pros (refurbished or used) for under a grand, Apple doesn't make a 17" any more, the biggest they have is 15".

I dont buy anything used if I can avoid it unless it's something I'm capable of fixing myself.
I've had some bad experiences with it.

All our desktops are home built, all our laptops are refurbished, my wife's (old Dell given to me by a co-worked, it didn't work) I "rebuilt". That Dell was first introduced in 2006, 9 years ago, if I put Win 7 back on it it would work fine, just very slowly. None of my refurbished laptops have ever given me any problems except the one I dropped, somehow killing the sound.
My first laptops were used Lenovos, never had any problem with them either though I know what to look for. My home office has 3 desktops, a laptop, computer parts and stacks of operating systems (mostly Linux) and other software (mostly games........).
Let me rephase something, the dell E1705 will work well but only very slowly the way my wife uses it. She generally has 5 to 7 programs open and running at the same time, the E1705 can't handle that workload. A typical user would not have as big an issue with the not so super fast normal usage.

If I had the know how to fix em I would probably just build my own.
It's just never something that interested me.
As long as I can watch porn and go to USMB i'm good.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I've been a windows user from the beginning,but after going through three mid range laptops in just over a year and having iphones that never fail I've decided to go to the dark side. Or the hipster side as it were.
Any advice from MacBook Pro users on making the switch a little less painful?

.

They're great for engineers, CAD users, and programming. It just takes a little getting use to, then you should be fine. But, IBM based computers are much easier to work on if you do computer upgrades, repairs, and general computer problem diagnostics. For the average user, both work great. Apple is superior when it comes to tech applications and programming.

You shouldn't have a problem once you get use to the minor differences.

It's the reliability that i'm after.
I dont use my laptop for anything more than email,movies,slingbox and of course USMB.

I would suggest before you do so, take your laptop you have and install LinuxMint...if you know a buddy that is familiar with a Linux installation - the better.
LinuxMint is exceedingly faster than Windows on less resources.
And the reliability is unrivalled.
For instance when my laptop is asleep..I open the screen, immediately type the password and the computer is fully up in about 2 seconds. Good luck trying that in Windows or Mac.
If you are game, open a different thread and several folks here would be glad to help you with the install.

 

[Ringel05]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

Hey - whose side you on??
I say LM for the support/updates/ and massive software library...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I've been a windows user from the beginning,but after going through three mid range laptops in just over a year and having iphones that never fail I've decided to go to the dark side. Or the hipster side as it were.
Any advice from MacBook Pro users on making the switch a little less painful?

.

They're great for engineers, CAD users, and programming. It just takes a little getting use to, then you should be fine. But, IBM based computers are much easier to work on if you do computer upgrades, repairs, and general computer problem diagnostics. For the average user, both work great. Apple is superior when it comes to tech applications and programming.

You shouldn't have a problem once you get use to the minor differences.

It's the reliability that i'm after.
I dont use my laptop for anything more than email,movies,slingbox and of course USMB.

I would suggest before you do so, take your laptop you have and install LinuxMint...if you know a buddy that is familiar with a Linux installation - the better.
LinuxMint is exceedingly faster than Windows on less resources.
And the reliability is unrivalled.
For instance when my laptop is asleep..I open the screen, immediately type the password and the computer is fully up in about 2 seconds. Good luck trying that in Windows or Mac.
If you are game, open a different thread and several folks here would be glad to help you with the install.

The MacBook is already on it's way.
If it shits the bed on me I'll take you up on the offer.

 

[Ringel05]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

Hey - whose side you on??
I say LM for the support/updates/ and massive software library...

Got Lubuntu on an old machine, trying to see if PCLinuxOs will work better on the wife's laptop than Mint lxde or Lubuntu did. Neither liked my graphics card (kinda weird) or the old Broadcomm card.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

Hey - whose side you on??
I say LM for the support/updates/ and massive software library...

Got Lubuntu on an old machine, trying to see if PCLinuxOs will work better on the wife's laptop than Mint lxde or Lubuntu did. Neither liked my graphics card (kinda weird) or the old Broadcomm card.

And this is why I dont like to screw around with computers..
I can make parts for the space shuttle,help build the F22 prototype but jacking with computers is just not my thing.
If I dont find something interesting I'll never be good at it.

 

[Ringel05]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

Hey - whose side you on??
I say LM for the support/updates/ and massive software library...

Got Lubuntu on an old machine, trying to see if PCLinuxOs will work better on the wife's laptop than Mint lxde or Lubuntu did. Neither liked my graphics card (kinda weird) or the old Broadcomm card.

And this is why I dont like to screw around with computers..
I can make parts for the space shuttle,help build the F22 prototype but jacking with computers is just not my thing.
If I dont find something interesting I'll never be good at it.

In most cases the main Linux versions just load and everything works, on rare occasions you run into problems, this is the first time I've ever experienced this.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Actually Zorin and PCLinuxOS are closer to, therefore more "familiar looking" with Windows users.

Hey - whose side you on??
I say LM for the support/updates/ and massive software library...

Got Lubuntu on an old machine, trying to see if PCLinuxOs will work better on the wife's laptop than Mint lxde or Lubuntu did. Neither liked my graphics card (kinda weird) or the old Broadcomm card.

And this is why I dont like to screw around with computers..
I can make parts for the space shuttle,help build the F22 prototype but jacking with computers is just not my thing.
If I dont find something interesting I'll never be good at it.

In most cases the main Linux versions just load and everything works, on rare occasions you run into problems, this is the first time I've ever experienced this.

Yeah? You've never had me trying to fuck withem. I'm pretty sure I'm cursed.