Getting Emergency Care is Insane

[Harry Dresden]

took my wife here in Vegas....no problems.....

 

[Flopper]

In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

Pretty interesting for what is trumped up as the best healthcare system in the world. We rely on convenient care facilities and personal doctors instead of the emergency room doors when possible, as our doctors can arrange admitting and order tests as necessary, if one of us is not in imminent danger of death.

Having had a ton of experience with both myself and family with ER's and doctor visits, I can say without a doubt, going to an ER is by far the fastest and most sure way of getting a diagnosis and treatment. Yes, you take that gut pain to your family doctor and he will probably order tests which will have to be scheduled. So after a week or so the results of test get back to your GP who takes a quick look and refers you to a gastroenterologist who will schedule you for tests of upper GI system. Then about a week later, you learn you most likely have cancer and are told, if had only sought treatment sooner....

The alternative of going to your family doctor is of course the ER. Within 24 hours, you have the same diagnostics and a diagnosis with either admittance to the hospital or referral for treatment. Going to the ER with any problem that could serious is best way of saving your life.

We should not have to use the ER in this way.

BTW The delays in the ER I described are not systemic. It is due to Covid 19 and the reaction of public to it.

The purpose of an emergency room is to treat acute medical problems. Stop the bleeding and sew you up, help you survive a heart attack, set your broken bones, and pump your stomach if you swallowed poison. They aren't designed for the in depth evaluations and treatment which are better left to your GP or a specialist.

That was their purpose. Today their purpose is to stabilize the patient so they are not in immediate danger. It is nearly impossible to do that without a diagnosis and that requires testing and often consulting with an applicable specialist on call. So you have a choice, go to the ER and get a diagnosis and treatment in hours or go to your family doctor and spend days or weeks scheduling tests and possibly seeing other doctors. The only thing that keeps people out of the ER is cost.

In most hospitals I have dealt with, the ER is the primary point of admission, not the admission disk. Any time one our doctors says you need to go to the hospital, they always say go to the ER.

 

[Flopper]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

 

[Leo123]

I remember going to the ER before Covid and had to wait 8 hours. Emergent cases are always triaged first. I think if you walk in you are automatically put after an ambulance arrival.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

I am very sorry for both your granddaughter and your family. Most States have drastically cut funding for mental health services. I started my career doing mental health emergency services in Richmond Virginia. The mental health system in Virginia was great at the time. When police would encounter someone who was dealing with mental illness and potentially a danger to self or others we would get called. I would go out and evaluate the person with the police present. If the person met critieria they would get admitted, stabilized, and linked up with outpatient services before they were released. Those days are virtually gone pretty much everywhere in the United States. It is tragic.

Schizophrenia is a terrible illness in that it hits most people in late adolescence or early adulthood. The child the parents and grandparents know and love changes almost overnight, and often times the changes are severe. For many family members there is a grieving process. I always felt tremendous compassion for the families and what they were going through.

I sincerely hope your granddaughter gets appropriate services that she needs. No one asks for mental illness. They deserve as much care and respect as anyone dealing with a serious illness.

 

[Indeependent]

In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted him to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

You want Open Borders, you got Open Borders...

 

[Flopper]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

I am very sorry for both your granddaughter and your family. Most States have drastically cut funding for mental health services. I started my career doing mental health emergency services in Richmond Virginia. The mental health system in Virginia was great at the time. When police would encounter someone who was dealing with mental illness and potentially a danger to self or others we would get called. I would go out and evaluate the person with the police present. If the person met critieria they would get admitted, stabilized, and linked up with outpatient services before they were released. Those days are virtually gone pretty much everywhere in the United States. It is tragic.

Schizophrenia is a terrible illness in that it hits most people in late adolescence or early adulthood. The child the parents and grandparents know and love changes almost overnight, and often times the changes are severe. For many family members there is a grieving process. I always felt tremendous compassion for the families and what they were going through.

I sincerely hope your granddaughter gets appropriate services that she needs. No one asks for mental illness. They deserve as much care and respect as anyone dealing with a serious illness.

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

 

[Leo123]

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

Why do we have to defund the police to hire more social workers? We have millions of social workers right now. What are they doing? Maybe we should 'defund' social services and "re-imagine" that instead.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

I am very sorry for both your granddaughter and your family. Most States have drastically cut funding for mental health services. I started my career doing mental health emergency services in Richmond Virginia. The mental health system in Virginia was great at the time. When police would encounter someone who was dealing with mental illness and potentially a danger to self or others we would get called. I would go out and evaluate the person with the police present. If the person met critieria they would get admitted, stabilized, and linked up with outpatient services before they were released. Those days are virtually gone pretty much everywhere in the United States. It is tragic.

Schizophrenia is a terrible illness in that it hits most people in late adolescence or early adulthood. The child the parents and grandparents know and love changes almost overnight, and often times the changes are severe. For many family members there is a grieving process. I always felt tremendous compassion for the families and what they were going through.

I sincerely hope your granddaughter gets appropriate services that she needs. No one asks for mental illness. They deserve as much care and respect as anyone dealing with a serious illness.

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

When I was in grad school I had to do a research paper on homelessness. At that time the data showed up to 95% of homeless folks were either mentally ill, or substances abusers, or a combination thereof.

Most shelters suck. Many kick the homeless out during the day. They are often unclean and not safe. Many homeless prefer being on the street.

 

[WelfareQueen]

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

Why do we have to defund the police to hire more social workers? We have millions of social workers right now. What are they doing? Maybe we should 'defund' social services and "re-imagine" that instead.

Cops are not trained in mental health. They are trained in law enforcement. They have no idea how to intervene with mentally ill people. As a consequence the mental ill are either ignored, incarcerated, mistreated or killed.

Cops want support in dealing with the mentally ill. The funding no longer exists in most States so cops are left to deal with a huge number of mentally ill (maybe 25% of the people they encounter) with zero training or support.

I like and respect cops. I have worked closely with them for decades. Cops should not have to be the front line in dealing with America's seriously mentally ill. It is not fair to the cops, it is not fair to the mentally ill, and it is bad for this Country.

 

[Flopper]

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

Why do we have to defund the police to hire more social workers? We have millions of social workers right now. What are they doing? Maybe we should 'defund' social services and "re-imagine" that instead.

Cops are not trained in mental health. They are trained in law enforcement. They have no idea how to intervene with mentally ill people. As a consequence the mental ill are either ignored, incarcerated, mistreated or killed.

Cops want support in dealing with the mentally ill. The funding no longer exists in most States so cops are left to deal with a huge number of mentally ill (maybe 25% of the people they encounter) with zero training or support.

I like and respect cops. I have worked closely with them for decades. Cops should not have to be the front line in dealing with America's seriously mentally ill. It is not fair to the cops, it is not fair to the mentally ill, and it is bad for this Country.

Couldn't agree more. However, let add this.
I'm really not sure how the police and a force of trained social welfare/metal health workers would work together when dealing with violent criminals.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

Complain to the ACLU. They got a court decision that it is unlawful to lock an innocent person up no matter what their mental state.

 

[WelfareQueen]

What you did is exactly what I think should be done and should be expanded. This is the part of defunding the police I believe needs to happen but with more social workers and mental health professional. I think we should reduce the number of police gradually and certainly not reduce the numbers by 50%.

Saw a study of the homeless in Seattle and several other cities. One of things that stood out was number that that were seriously mentally ill with disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, something like 39% of the chronic homeless. A year or so ago, there was a special focusing on mental illness on TV. An ex-con out of the Washington State penitentiary was interviewed. He said about 1 out every 4 convicts were psychos, hallucination, memory lost, etc. A lot of them didn't know or couldn't remember exactly what crime they were imprisoned for.

Why do we have to defund the police to hire more social workers? We have millions of social workers right now. What are they doing? Maybe we should 'defund' social services and "re-imagine" that instead.

Cops are not trained in mental health. They are trained in law enforcement. They have no idea how to intervene with mentally ill people. As a consequence the mental ill are either ignored, incarcerated, mistreated or killed.

Cops want support in dealing with the mentally ill. The funding no longer exists in most States so cops are left to deal with a huge number of mentally ill (maybe 25% of the people they encounter) with zero training or support.

I like and respect cops. I have worked closely with them for decades. Cops should not have to be the front line in dealing with America's seriously mentally ill. It is not fair to the cops, it is not fair to the mentally ill, and it is bad for this Country.

Couldn't agree more. However, let add this.
I'm really not sure how the police and a force of trained social welfare/metal health workers would work together when dealing with violent criminals.

I went out on hundreds of calls with cops. They know the difference between a violent criminal and a mentally ill person. Straight up crime and I was not called. Hostage situations, psychotic, suicidal, unable to care for self due to mental illness or substance abuse I got called.

Cops are not trained in mental health but they are trained to know when something is a criminal matter, or a civil matter involving mental health or substance abuse.

I do not ever recall being called out inappropriately when it was strictly criminal. It just didn't happen.

****edit****

We went on once a month ride-alongs with cops for team building purposes in a suburban County of Richmond I worked for (Hanover County). The young cop asked me if I knew how to shoot a 12 gauge. Yep, I said. Why? "Well if some shit goes down there's a loaded 12 gauge in the trunk. Don't leave my ass hanging."

I have seen some truly crazy shit over the years doing emergency services and working in a big city ER. Most people have no fucking idea.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You didn't mention what was the first hospital

No, I didn't because our family has gone there for years and we have had excellent care. I believe this problem is due to the crazy shit that is going on now. ER's are slammed most everywhere.

Covid 19 and resulting problems such as unemployment, closed businesses and schools leaves people with a lot time on their hands and a lot of worries and that always leads to mental stress and a of lot people breakdown. The nurse at the ER said they are being flooded with mental patients. Their psych ward is filled as are all the nearby hospitals. So these patients are in the ER for extended periods simply because there is no place to transfer them. They call the police to take the ones they believe are dangerous to themselves or others. The police just dump them in another ER that doesn't have room. For those that don't seem to be a danger to others, they try to find a caregiver to take them. If they can't they show them the door and the community has another problem to deal with.

I did mental health exams in a big city ER for years. I am an LCSW. What you stated is spot on. That is likely the issue, not Covid directly.

I have a granddaughter that is Schizophrenic. She is psychotic about half the time and has short term memory lost. In other words, she needs full time care but there is just no place available even if the family had money to pay for it. A cop brought her home the other night. She was wandering down street about half dressed. The cop told my son about half the people they pickup need a place to go but not jail. There is just no place to put them. Many of the families can't or won't take them. It's hard to believe that this is happening in this country and we doing nothing about it.

Complain to the ACLU. They got a court decision that it is unlawful to lock an innocent person up no matter what their mental state.

If someone is deemed to be a danger to self or others due to mental illness or substance abuse and are unable or unwilling to consent to care they can be civilly detained. That is the law is every State I am aware of. You cannot be psychotic, threatened to kill your mother because command hallucinations are telling you to do so, and the State has no legal recourse to keep the parties involved safe.

Again, that is the legal standard in Virginia and Florida. I cannot image the same standard does not exist in every State.

 

[Natural Citizen]

BTW The delays in the ER I described are not systemic. It is due to Covid 19 and the reaction of public to it.

Nonsense. You're clearly trying to appeal to ignorance.

It's always a few hours in the ER, unless you get blue lighted.

Do you think none of us have ever been in the ER before or something?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted him to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

Starr County Memorial Hospital, in Texas is currently using a Death Panel, (they call it an "ethics" and "triage" committee) to determine which covid 19 patients to send home,even if they are likely to die. They just don't have the capability to serve all the patients they have.
The right finally has an example of a real Death Panel after whining about all those nonexistent ones for so many years.they

That is completely stupid.
Lenox Hill in NY has the same panel. As do many large metropolitan hospitals.
But then again, who would really expect you to be either honest or knowledgeable.

 

[BULLDOG]

In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted him to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

Starr County Memorial Hospital, in Texas is currently using a Death Panel, (they call it an "ethics" and "triage" committee) to determine which covid 19 patients to send home,even if they are likely to die. They just don't have the capability to serve all the patients they have.
The right finally has an example of a real Death Panel after whining about all those nonexistent ones for so many years.they

That is completely stupid.
Lenox Hill in NY has the same panel. As do many large metropolitan hospitals.
But then again, who would really expect you to be either honest or knowledgeable.

Are they sending people home to die in NY too?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted him to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

Starr County Memorial Hospital, in Texas is currently using a Death Panel, (they call it an "ethics" and "triage" committee) to determine which covid 19 patients to send home,even if they are likely to die. They just don't have the capability to serve all the patients they have.
The right finally has an example of a real Death Panel after whining about all those nonexistent ones for so many years.they

That is completely stupid.
Lenox Hill in NY has the same panel. As do many large metropolitan hospitals.
But then again, who would really expect you to be either honest or knowledgeable.

Are they sending people home to die in NY too?

Texas hasn't either. You jumped to the narrative immediately, they MAY have to.
All major hospitals heavily involved when Covid was worse were rationing care. They didn't have a choice.
You can see it in the Nextflix documentary "Lenox Hill"
A woman's husband was still alive, but extremely sick. His PH levels were climbing and they could not help him. It ends wit the doctor going to the family and telling him it is time. And they took him off life support.
My daughter is an RT in Indianapolis, she has done the same thing.
They had no choice.

 

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Hope your family is doing okay.

 

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In Washington state which is not one of the worst covid states, major hospital ERs are swamped with patients. I took my brother to an ER and we had to wait 3 hours in an ER waiting room. After another 2 hours, he was put in a spare room with 3 other patients, one was psychotic and was strapped to a gurney. The nurse said it would be at least two hours before he saw a doctor. I asked for some medication to relieve pain which didn't happen and after an hour I took him to a friends house in Seattle and called 911. The EMS took him to Harbor View, one of the largest hospitals and a regional trauma which was a wise decision because there was a line at the door of the ER waiting room just waiting to get in. After a fairly short wait, he saw a doctor who ordered tests, medications, and admitted him to the hospital. However, he's on a gurney outside the ER waiting for a room. The nurse said there are no rooms available and it may be hours before he has a room.

Keep in mind this is not a Covid hot spot. I can't imagine what it must be like in hospitals in places like Miami.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but there has got to be a lot of people that are dying and suffering due to Covid 19 that don't have it simply because they can't get emergency care, medical equipment, and supplies when they need it.

Starr County Memorial Hospital, in Texas is currently using a Death Panel, (they call it an "ethics" and "triage" committee) to determine which covid 19 patients to send home,even if they are likely to die. They just don't have the capability to serve all the patients they have.
The right finally has an example of a real Death Panel after whining about all those nonexistent ones for so many years.they

That is completely stupid.
Lenox Hill in NY has the same panel. As do many large metropolitan hospitals.
But then again, who would really expect you to be either honest or knowledgeable.

Are they sending people home to die in NY too?

Texas hasn't either. You jumped to the narrative immediately, they MAY have to.
All major hospitals heavily involved when Covid was worse were rationing care. They didn't have a choice.
You can see it in the Nextflix documentary "Lenox Hill"
A woman's husband was still alive, but extremely sick. His PH levels were climbing and they could not help him. It ends wit the doctor going to the family and telling him it is time. And they took him off life support.
My daughter is an RT in Indianapolis, she has done the same thing.
They had no choice.

Seems they only had no choice under the Trump administration. Can you give examples of that choice having to be made before Trump's presidency? A competent president wouldn't have let us fall to that position.