Germany’s New Morgenthau Plan.

[zaangalewa]

The French were the ones who pushed for harsh terms, and the British were not far behind. The Russians were to busy with the Civil war to participate.

Are you saying all those slavs and poles and balts should have been forced to join the German and Austro hungarian empires against their wills?

Concrete example. After world war 2 you (=the allies of world war 2) murdered and displaced (=genocided) the Bohemians. They had been replaced from the Czechs who you sold to Russia. The Czechs suffered a lot under their "Slawic brothernation" who enslaved them.

The problem: The kingdom Bohemia had been "since ever" one of the most important parts of Germany. They had been one of the seven electors of the German king/emperor (government). When the first Slaws arrived there lived since a long time Germans around the area of Prague. And when the university of Prague was founded - the eldest German university at all - 7 languages had been used in this university. Chechs and Germans lived over a wide area side by side. One village was German the next had been Czech. Sometimes they changed their languages - perhaps on reason of marriages or new business contacts. No one really knows who had been Celts, Germanics or Slaws in this area. No one really knows for example whether the famous duke of Waldstein (known as "Wallenstein") had been a German, a Czech or both - and this was and is totally unimportant. He was the duke of Waldstein.

No one in Germany likes to have back the area where Bohemia once had been. Bohemia is dead. But Chechs and Germans are only able to speak with each other any longer via European Union and with the help of the English language. There are nearly no contacts between the people themselves any longer. All contacts are practically today under a kind of political oxygen tent. Infirmary. And this in the year (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9)^2 = 1^3+2^3+3^3+4^3+5^3+6^3+7^3+8^3+9^3.

 

[martybegan]

Concrete example. After world war 2 you (=the allies of world war 2) murdered and destroyed (=genocided) the Bohemians. They had been replaced from the Czechs who you sold to Russia. The only problem: The kingdom Bohemia had been "since ever" one of the most important parts of Germany. The had bene on e of the seven electors of the German king/emperor. When the first Slaws arrived there lived since a long time Germans around the area of Prague. And when the university of Prague was founded - the eldest German university at all - 7 languages had been used in this university. Chechs and Germans lived over a wide area side by side. One village was German the next had been Czech. Sometimes they changed their languages - perhasiop9onm raosnim of marriages or new business contacts. No one really knows who had been Celts, Germanic or Slaws in this area. No one really knows for example whether the famous duke of Waldstein (known as "Wallenstein") had been a German, a Czech or both - and this was totally unimportant.

Tl;dr

 

[zaangalewa]

Tl;dr

Means what? That US-Americans are idiots? Without 30 years war you would not be a free nation. And Germany never had done anything bad to the USA. Never! But you murdered in masses Germans and also reproaches Germans that you had to murder them. You are - strictly speaking - a pretty disgusting nation from a national German point of view. Only our multi-cultural heritage makes you tolerable.

 

[martybegan]

Means what? That US-Americans are idiots? Without 30 years war you would not be a free nation. And Germany never had done anything bad to the USA. Never! But you murdered in masses Germans and also reproaches Germans that you had to murder them. You are - strictly speaking - a pretty disgusting nation from a national German point of view. Only our multi-cultural heritage makes you tolerable.

No, that we don't waste time with revisionist bullshit.

 

[zaangalewa]

No, that we don't waste time with revisionist bullshit.

You prefer to live in your own lies - that's all. When will World War 3 begin? And who will cause it? ¿Germany? How will we do it this time? What say your masses of secret services and your masses of sink tanks? What are the common plans of the USA and Russia this time?

 

[martybegan]

You prefer to live in your own lies - that's all. When will World War 3 begin? And who will cause it? ¿Germany? How will we do it this time? What say your masses of secret services and your masses of sink tanks? What are the common plans of the USA and Russia this time?

Not lies.

Are you saying a German victory in WWI would have been a good thing?

 

[ESay]

Are you saying a German victory in WWI would have been a good thing

Of course, why not.

 

[martybegan]

Of course, why not.

It would probably have resulted in the loss of Central Europe to Communism 30 years early. No way Germany could keep tamped down the rising slav nationalism and with Russia going Soviet it would have the need to spread it's poison to protect itself.

 

[ESay]

It would probably have resulted in the loss of Central Europe to Communism 30 years early. No way Germany could keep tamped down the rising slav nationalism and with Russia going Soviet it would have the need to spread it's poison to protect itself.

Who knows, 'what-ifs' is a slippery slope. Maybe the Germans would have prevented spreading that communism in Europe at all. The Bolsheviks crushed this slav nationalism, don't see why the Germans couldn't do that. What Germany should have done is to find a peaceful solution with France and stopping this war on the Western front.

 

[martybegan]

Who knows, 'what-ifs' is a slippery slope. Maybe the Germans would have prevented spreading that communism in Europe at all. The Bolsheviks crushed this slav nationalism, don't see why the Germans couldn't do that. What Germany should have done is to find a peaceful solution with France and stopping this war on the Western front.

Yet they didn't. They got what they wanted out East, and didn't even try to come to terms with the West.

Where they KNEW 1M plus American soldiers were about to enter the conflict.

And the American Navy was going to help win the 1st Battle of the Atlantic.

 

[ESay]

Yet they didn't. They got what they wanted out East, and didn't even try to come to terms with the West.

Where they KNEW 1M plus American soldiers were about to enter the conflict.

And the American Navy was going to help win the 1st Battle of the Atlantic.

Yes, they didn't, and Europe got what it got, allowing non-European powers dominate its policy for the most part of the 20th century.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, they didn't, and Europe got what it got, allowing non-European powers dominate its policy for the most part of the 20th century.

Europe had it's turn for many centuries, starting with the Greeks and Romans, interrupted by the Caliphates, and then again under Pax Britannia.

 

[ESay]

Europe had it's turn for many centuries, starting with the Greeks and Romans, interrupted by the Caliphates, and then again under Pax Britannia.

Yes, agree. It is time to go into shadows. Everything is fair.

 

[zaangalewa]

Not lies.

Are you saying a German victory in WWI would have been a good thing?

I say first of all you made war on Germany although Germany never - absolutelly never - had done anything bad to the USA. Not before World War 1, not in World War 1, not between World War 1+2, not in World War 2 and also not after World War 2.

And I say you made the unevitable victory of Germany and allies - specially Austria-Hungaria and the Ottoman empire - to an impossibility. You wan and made the world to a better place for you. But this "better place" was not stable and exloded and is still exploding. Without World War 1 no Nazis, no Soviets and no Islamists. In other words: You are able to win a war - but you are not able to win peace.

 

[zaangalewa]

Europe had it's turn for many centuries, starting with the Greeks and Romans, interrupted by the Caliphates, and then again under Pax Britannia.

Which "Pax Britannia" - what for heavens sake is this? And which Caliphates? The Ottoman empire and what else ... ? And by the way - what else than an European nation is the USA? You are basing on the ideas of the European enlightenment. This had been yesterday. You are today not suddenly someone else. ... on the other side ... Trump is a Russian. Perhaps you will be soon a Soviet monarchy.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes, agree. It is time to go into shadows. Everything is fair.

What a nonsense. The German states of America grow year by year more funny. I heard your future leading clown says also a lot of nonsense. I ask myselve how someone will be able to take serios the USA in some years.

 

[martybegan]

I say first of all you made war on Germany although Germany never - absolutelly never - had done anything bad to the USA. Not before World War 1, not in World War 1, not between World War 1+2, not in World War 2 and also not after World War 2.

And I say you made the unevitable victory of Germany and allies - specially Austria-Hungaria and the Ottoman empire - to an impossibility. You wan and made the world to a better place for you. But this "better place" was not stable and exloded and is still exploding. Without World War 1 no Nazis, no Soviets and no Islamists. In other words: You are able to win a war - but you are not able to win peace.

Talk about extrapolation.


And Germany did start unrestricted submarine warfare in an Ocean we used for trade.

 

[martybegan]

Which "Pax Britannia" - what for heavens sake is this? And which Caliphates? The Ottoman empire and what else ... ? And by the way - what else than an European nation is the USA? You are basing on the ideas of the European enlightenment. This had been yesterday. You are today not suddenly someone else. ... on the other side ... Trump is a Russian. Perhaps you will be soon a Soviet monarchy.

I'll take med induced word salad for $200 alex,

 

[zaangalewa]

Talk about extrapolation.


And Germany did start unrestricted submarine warfare in an Ocean we used for trade.

What's a nonsense "argument" and you know this. The government of the USA transported weapons from the USA to England on passenger ships. The torpedeo which was shot to the British ship "Lusitania" was not comparable with modern weapons. It was a kind of warnshot. If it had to sink because of this torpedo then it had to sink very very slow. No real risk for the passengers. But the weapons on board of the Lusitania exploded. So this pretext by the USA for a declaration of war two years later was quite simply stupid and is still totally stupid today. It gave no unrestricted submarine warfare. After the accident with the Lusitania also British passenger ships had not be controlled any longer - although as well the USA and Great Britain still broke internatioal laws by transporting weapons with passenger ships - what had been first of all damn dangerous for your passengers.

It is as I said. Never Germany did do anything bad to the USA.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

It is as I said. Never Germany did do anything bad to the USA.

Their U-boats reached Manhattan.