Germany's Bundestag has passed a massive infrastructure and defense package, paving the way for over a half trillion euros in new spending as Germany

[CowboyTed]

You are obviously not acquainted with the disingenuous "back-door" approach - as to how this bill was prepared (BTW it hasn't passed aka been ratified by the Bundesrat - which is due on Friday). but will likely pass due to internal political blackmail.

Nor do you seem to be aware that a 100 billion from the total figure needs to be allocated for Green Projects - otherwise the Greens would have boycotted that bill.

Furthermore new weapon systems e.g. those envisioned 800 MBT's need to be manned/staffed and the entire necessary combined arms doctrine needs to be set up - so we are talking about an extra 65,000 soldiers. Just for these 800 MBT's. !!! Not even to mention around 2400 qualified (takes a minimum of 8-12 years) Staff-officers right up to Generals - that presently do not exist.

The Bundeswehr was tasked in 2005 to maintain a 240,000 strong army - which they never managed to maintain - therefore in 2015 the figure was set at 210,000 and till today the Bundeswehr is still scraping at around 175,000.

The Bundeswehr's factual problem isn't the $$ - but for these "don't know anything" politicians, how to invest effectively in the past 20 years and to allocate it's present 85 billion budget appropriately.

This entire madness is solely construed to fatten the MIC, and thus those politicians and lobbyists wallets.

I understand your issues on MIC...

Nobody wanted to spend money like this, but Russia were the ones who invaded.. US left Europe holding the bag... I still find it ironic that Germany paid for the R & D on the COVID Vaccine and Trump led US jump now... COVID killed more US Citizens than all the wars back to the Civil War put together.

So the money has to be spent and nobody wants to give that money outside the EU...

I agree this is far from ideal... Think this money should be spent on things like Education, Health, Parks, Mental Health, Energy alternatives.... Not war, but we didn't pick this fight.

 

[CowboyTed]

So according to an anti-Russian like you, - one who rejects NATO is a commie.

I wasn't aware that Switzerland, Austria and Ireland are communists - you dolt.

Kruska,

I am Irish and I will say that we have a nod and wink relationship with the UK on our security...

State loses bid to block Senator's case over 'secret' air policing deal with Royal Air Force

Senator Gerard Craughwell had brought a High Court case over an alleged deal between Ireland and Britain for the RAF to perform air policing over the State.

www.thejournal.ie

We have known it for years...

 

[CowboyTed]

Two stupid german decisions were the green energy revolution and allowing the migrant invasion

But if the germans are finally coming to their senses its about time

Both you know **** all about...

Germany wants to be Energy independent... Being Nuclear is not being Energy Independent...

They have migrants because their aging population... Florida are not deporting those care workers much, are they? Send back the odd token one to keep the rest inline.

 

[CowboyTed]

Neither the migrant issue nor the energy revolution cost the German taxpayer a ****'in ludicrous US$ 600 billion.

To place this in US National debt relation for YOU - it would be as if Trump would take up a further national debt of US$ 8 Trillion just for defense nonsense.

Our governments?? - Obviously NOT

Not really...Yournumbers are bit out...

US GDP is 6 times German GDP...

So 600bn is 3.6 Trillion... in US language...

It is 7.5% of GDP (which will be spent internally in EU, mainly Germany)

Since Germany is running a Debt to GDP of 62.5% and this could possibly rise it to 70% it is not the end of the world financially. What it does allow Germany to do is pump a bit of money into its economy right now, which they want to do anyway...

FYI US has a Debt to GDP of 124% and is borrowing 6% more every year... And yes they still think it because they are spending too much money... Those idiots can't figure out they have to tax their wealthy properly...

So it isn't that bad...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Smartest thing I’ve seen Germany do in decades. They also need to reactivate some nuclear power plants...
Europe will become a force to be reckoned with. The industry will recover and become stronger than ever. MAKE EUROPE STRONG AGAIN!

The new Islamic Leadership of Germany commends the last German government for their military gift, far surpassing Biden's gift to the Taliban

 

[Mac-7]

How can you get anything done with a coalition government?

Its the same problem here

Half the country is lib and the other half MAGA

 

[CowboyTed]

The new Islamic Leadership of Germany commends the last German government for their military gift, far surpassing Biden's gift to the Taliban

Well that is nonsense...

 

[CowboyTed]

Its the same problem here

Half the country is lib and the other half MAGA

Coalition Governments make a lot of sense and explains why they are so popular in Europe...

During election the large party is always saying they don't want single party government...

But then again Germany runs a Debt to GDP half of US... And even while Germany is in recesssion they have a Deficit to GDP 4% better than US (2.5% v 6.5%)... So these Coalition Governments seem to know how to run things...

Please before you start, Germany paid for US vaccines which showed far better use of resources than ploughing money into F35 planes, Migrants are needed in their economy and they are far closer to energy independence than US (US doesn't count Canada in Energy independence)

 

[Litwin]

The new Islamic Leadership of Germany commends the last German government for their military gift, far surpassing Biden's gift to the Taliban

take your pills old man, you made a mess here again

 

[Litwin]

Well that is nonsense...

nonsense is his second name

 

[Litwin]

So according to an anti-Russian like you, - one who rejects NATO is a commie.

yes, without NATO YOUR children will speak Muscovite language, do you know it , freak ? We have no time for political games anymore , do you understand it ?

Childhood in the Gulag

After the Red Army’s advance into Eastern Poland and the Baltic states, waves of deportation begin in 1940. Families are sent with their children to remote villages in Siberia and Central Asia; children are born there. Although some go to school, most have to work. Some spend time in orphanages.

www.gulagmemories.eu

Thread 'Moscow : "Finland, Warsaw, the Baltics, Moldova, and Alaska should be returned to the Moscow Empire" I Appeasement Then and Now: Lessons from 30s'

Dec 28, 2024

Give Moscow empire "The Sudetenland" , they will stop there!?




ps
These vulgar fascist colonialist need to fk right off!

• Litwin
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[zaangalewa]

The new Islamic Leadership of Germany commends the last German government for their military gift, far surpassing Biden's gift to the Taliban

Go back into your kindergarten and start to learn something what could make any sense, idiot.

 

[zaangalewa]

why ? please elaborate

I guess he belongs to the 20% of all Germans who will be proud tomorrow when the sun will not shine again because they say today this could happen.

Indeed it's still not over. As well Bundestag and Bundesrat have to agree (parliament and "congress"). But looks like this time we had two very active governments: The old government, which is still in office, and the new government, which is not yet in power. Both agree. I don't know the decisions in detail but currently it looks like the concept is not bad. (German: "Is not bad" = USA: "Trump did do the greatest deal since Adam and Eve decided to leave the paradise").

 

[Litwin]

You are obviously not acquainted with the disingenuous "back-door" approach - as to how this bill was prepared (BTW it hasn't passed aka been ratified by the Bundesrat - which is due on Friday). but will likely pass due to internal political blackmail.

Nor do you seem to be aware that a 100 billion from the total figure needs to be allocated for Green Projects - otherwise the Greens would have boycotted that bill.

Furthermore new weapon systems e.g. those envisioned 800 MBT's need to be manned/staffed and the entire necessary combined arms doctrine needs to be set up - so we are talking about an extra 65,000 soldiers. Just for these 800 MBT's. !!! Not even to mention around 2400 qualified (takes a minimum of 8-12 years) Staff-officers right up to Generals - that presently do not exist.

The Bundeswehr was tasked in 2005 to maintain a 240,000 strong army - which they never managed to maintain - therefore in 2015 the figure was set at 210,000 and till today the Bundeswehr is still scraping at around 175,000.

The Bundeswehr's factual problem isn't the $$ - but for these "don't know anything" politicians, how to invest effectively in the past 20 years and to allocate it's present 85 billion budget appropriately.

This entire madness is solely construed to fatten the MIC, and thus those politicians and lobbyists wallets.

ps Europe's top money managers start to bring defence stocks in from the cold

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/europes-top-money-managers-start-bring-defence-stocks-cold-2025-03-13/

 

[Litwin]

I guess he belongs to the 20% of all Germans who will be proud tomorrow when the sun will not shine again because they say today this could happen.

Indeed it's still not over. As well Bundestag and Bundesrat have to agree (parliament and "congress"). But looks like this time we had two very active governments: The old government, which is still in office, and the new government, which is not yet in power. Both agree. I don't know the decisions in detail but currently it looks like the concept is not bad. (German: "Is not bad" = USA: "Trump did do the greatest deal since Adam and Eve decided to leave the paradise").

I fully support German rearmament!!

Thread 'BREAKING (Bad news for Moscow imperialism): German government can expand military security spending with virtually no limits.'

Mar 18, 2025

BREAKING (Bad news for Moscow imperialism): German government can expand military security spending with virtually no limits.
Finally Germany can become a stalwart in Europe and together with its allied European partners create a European defense force to counter Moscow imperialistic Jihadi aggression. The need for speed is evident as Jihadiist, barbaric, Asiatic Moscow empire presents a constant threat to our beautiful FREE WORLD

• Litwin

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[eagle1462010]

I fully support German rearmament!!

Thread 'BREAKING (Bad news for Moscow imperialism): German government can expand military security spending with virtually no limits.'

Mar 18, 2025

BREAKING (Bad news for Moscow imperialism): German government can expand military security spending with virtually no limits.
Finally Germany can become a stalwart in Europe and together with its allied European partners create a European defense force to counter Moscow imperialistic Jihadi aggression. The need for speed is evident as Jihadiist, barbaric, Asiatic Moscow empire presents a constant threat to our beautiful FREE WORLD

• Litwin

• 

Your military is hiring. You can quit your job as an internet troll and serve. Germany needs you. Ukraine needs you.

 

[Kruska]

Not really...Yournumbers are bit out...

US GDP is 6 times German GDP...

So 600bn is 3.6 Trillion... in US language...

It is 7.5% of GDP (which will be spent internally in EU, mainly Germany)

Since Germany is running a Debt to GDP of 62.5% and this could possibly rise it to 70% it is not the end of the world financially. What it does allow Germany to do is pump a bit of money into its economy right now, which they want to do anyway...

FYI US has a Debt to GDP of 124% and is borrowing 6% more every year... And yes they still think it because they are spending too much money... Those idiots can't figure out they have to tax their wealthy properly...

So it isn't that bad...

Correct - but I wasn't talking about the GDP - but NATIONAL DEBT

These entire German 600 Billion and the EU's 800 billion package are new DEBTS aka to be financed via new loans.

Germany's national debt presently stands at 3 Trillion - the USA 37 Trillion
So 600 B = 20% and 20% of 37 T = 7.4 Trillion

Germany's loan interest/year is at around 95 Billion - more or less what the entire Defense budget is being allocated for 2025.

The issue as in more or less any other country is the "uncontrolled" and meaningless expenditure of Taxes.
Therefore a "reasonable" not even to mention a "responsible" German government doesn't need to take up new debts but has factually enough money to finance reasonable projects - and could therefore even reduce the national debt.

That this will remain an illusion with our previous and present political setup is understood.

As for Ireland and it's "defense cooperation" with NATO and the UK - beholds the same issue for e.g. Austria and Switzerland
However due to NOT being full NATO members - they can't be dragged into the chaos caused by the USA.

Where you and I might differentiate is that for my part, I do not see any "danger" coming from Russia (Putin) towards the EU aside from him integrating Ukraine and very likely Transnistria and Belarus into the Russian Federation. Just as Trump babbling about integrating Greenland, Panama and Canada into his USA realm.

The Ukraine war has happened - so there isn't much sense in discussing as to who and what caused it.
That Trump TOTALLY screwed it up also can't be changed - other then Putin doesn't give him his "expected" business deals, which in turn might result in Trump going for Putin aka Russia via using these EU political dolts to do it for him.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Go back into your kindergarten and start to learn something what could make any sense, idiot.

You have a Burka fitting today at 2pm

 

[CrusaderFrank]

take your pills old man, you made a mess here again

Putin & Trump are going to form a new alliance!

 

[Kruska]

Germans elected those useless politicians

Just as Americans

Germans who pride themselves on being smarter thsn everyone else

If you say so - it must be true