germans take a page from trump

[Brynmr]

you are funny , you keep trying to change the subject of the thread . Its ok though , I just ignore your foolishness and keep posting info on IMPORTED muslim savage to the Western World Aris .

For this hateful little apologist, Aris, she's hoping to excuse terrible Islamic behavior by introducing other terrible behavior. By doing this, she's supporting Moslem atrocities of all kinds. Her claims to the contrary are as nothing. She is truly beneath contempt.

 

[Brynmr]

noble laureate , big deal , feck him , didn't mrobama get the same silly prize Aris ??

The next thing we know she'll be throwing the kitchen sink at us.

 

[aris2chat]

Muhammad married a 6 year old child and fucked her when she was nine years old. Buddha never laid a damaging hand on a child and neither did Jesus. It is no wonder there is an enormous amount of child rape and child abuse within Islam? No. Moslems are simply following the example of their "perfect" prophet (may he rot in Hell).


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

girls in india and africa are still being married at the ages of around 8 yrs

So this excuses Mohammad's abuse and rape of a little girl? This excuses the abuse and rape of children by Moslem men? You're pathetic.

Today you see it as abuse, 1400 yrs ago is was not uncommon for girls to marry when they began their period.

You are judge ancient behavior by today's standards.

Do you judge abraham, moses, david and others by modern norms? do you judge ancient romans or vikings by the way most behave now?

It was a very different land and culture as well.

Isabella of Valois married Richard II when she was 6

Do you blame or judge all christians or europeans for that?

 

[PK1]

Muhammad married a 6 year old child and fucked her when she was nine years old. Buddha never laid a damaging hand on a child and neither did Jesus. It is no wonder there is an enormous amount of child rape and child abuse within Islam? No. Moslems are simply following the example of their "perfect" prophet (may he rot in Hell).


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

girls in india and africa are still being married at the ages of around 8 yrs

So this excuses Mohammad's abuse and rape of a little girl? This excuses the abuse and rape of children by Moslem men? You're pathetic.

Today you see it as abuse, 1400 yrs ago is was not uncommon for girls to marry when they began their period.

You are judge ancient behavior by today's standards. ...
It was a very different land and culture as well.

Definitely different times/cultures in those days.
"Child marriage was not uncommon in many places at the time, Arabia included. It often served political purposes, and Aisha's marriage to Muhammad would have had a political connotation."

Heck, only a couple centuries ago, the average age at death was 30, i understand.
We've come a long way ... Except for those barbaric ISIL & Taliban extremist pigs.

 

[aris2chat]

merkel is a traitor to Germany-stan and the West . Thankfully the USA has the possibility of the Trump . You shoulda heard Trumps excellent speech just a few minutes ago Aris .

I listened to every word.
I listed to the meeting in Mexico with Nieto as well.

--- nieto is a midget !!

I dare you say that about Putin ................... to his face!

 

[Esmeralda]

You defend with valid and concrete evidence the assertion that Islam is a cult. I AM SURE YOU CAN'T.

It's complicated but here you go - prt1:
The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
Venerate a human leader or leaders
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

Most if not all of these criteria apply to most Christian Church denominations ... so Christianity is also a CULT! (?):

"A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques.
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers.
Venerate a human leader or leaders.
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members.
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotionally controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day."

So then why say Islam is a cult as if it is different than other religions. According to this post, all religions are cults. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[PK1]

You defend with valid and concrete evidence the assertion that Islam is a cult. I AM SURE YOU CAN'T.

It's complicated but here you go - prt1:
The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
Venerate a human leader or leaders
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

Most if not all of these criteria apply to most Christian Church denominations ... so Christianity is also a CULT! (?):

"A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques.
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers.
Venerate a human leader or leaders.
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members.
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotionally controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day."

So then why say Islam is a cult as if it is different than other religions. According to this post, all religions are cults. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Islam is worse, more barbaric in general, than other religions, but YES, most dogmatic religions are cults, including all 3 Abrahamic religions. Maybe some modern Christian or Jewish groups are not "cults", if they are open minded about their views.

 

[Brynmr]

Today you see it as abuse, 1400 yrs ago is was not uncommon for girls to marry when they began their period.

2 things wrong with that, apologist.

1. Muhammad was (supposedly) a prophet and (supposedly) a prophet of god. If that was true, then he would have necessarily known better.

2. The Islamic doctrine is not a history book. Muhammad's example is to be followed for all time. This is why there is so much child abuse and child rape within the Moslem community.

 

[Brynmr]

So then why say Islam is a cult as if it is different than other religions. According to this post, all religions are cults. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

And you're ignorant. I'll fill you in. Christians, Buddhists etc are free to leave and find different paths. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death. And this is but one aspect that separates the cult of Islam from other true religions.

 

[Brynmr]

Do you judge abraham, moses, david and others by modern norms? do you judge ancient romans or vikings by the way most behave now?

It was a very different land and culture as well.

Isabella of Valois married Richard II when she was 6

Do you blame or judge all christians or europeans for that?

Again you attempt to excuse Islamic child abuse and child rape by pointing to others. Contemptible to say the least.

 

[pismoe]

in response to PK1 , post number 227 . The only problem with islam is its barbarity , murder , mayhem , torture , constant war and constant taking of lives of people that disagree with islam . You do not find the widespread murder , mayhem and taking of lives in modern mainstream Christianity or Judaism . ---------------------------------------- open minded or close minded . Close minded is fine if there is no harmful actions taken against people that the close minded religion disagrees with .

 

[Brynmr]

but YES, most dogmatic religions are cults

I doubt you even know what a cult is to make such an idiotic comment.

 

[Esmeralda]

So then why say Islam is a cult as if it is different than other religions. According to this post, all religions are cults. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

And you're ignorant. I'll fill you in. Christians, Buddhists etc are free to leave and find different paths. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death. And this is but one aspect that separates the cult of Islam from other true religions.

You are ignorant. That edict is very old and modern Islam does not adhere to it. I know plenty of people who were born into Muslims families and do not practice it as a religion. It is no different that people in the Christian world who do not practice Christianity. You ignorant people think that modern day Muslims practice all the old ancient edicts when we know very well modern day Christians don't. Just because the Koran says something, it doesn't mean it is followed in modern times....just like the Bible says a lot of things that are not followed in modern times. God, you folks are so stupid.

 

[Brynmr]

The following is a description of what cult is:

1 A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
2 The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
3 Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
4 Venerate a human leader or leaders
5 Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
6 People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
7 Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
8 Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
9 Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
10 The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
11 Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
12 Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
13 Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
14 Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
15 People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
16 Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
17 The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

 

[Esmeralda]

Today you see it as abuse, 1400 yrs ago is was not uncommon for girls to marry when they began their period.

2 things wrong with that, apologist.

1. Muhammad was (supposedly) a prophet and (supposedly) a prophet of god. If that was true, then he would have necessarily known better.

2. The Islamic doctrine is not a history book. Muhammad's example is to be followed for all time. This is why there is so much child abuse and child rape within the Moslem community.

The fact is you know nothing about modern Islam. You are very, very ignorant. Child abuse and rape are not part of Muslim society. Whoever has told you that is also ignorant or just plain lying. I lived in Muslim countries for over 9 years. I have worked with and Muslims everyday, including children. They have been colleagues, clients, neighbors and friends. I know that this kind of crap you spew is totally untrue.

 

[Brynmr]

You are ignorant. That edict is very old and modern Islam does not adhere to it.

The Islamic doctrine isn't a history book. The teachings are from ALLAH - carved in STONE, moron.

 

[Brynmr]

The fact is you know nothing about modern Islam. You are very, very ignorant. Child abuse and rape are not part of Muslim society.

You're just another supporter of Islamic child abuse and rape.

 

[Esmeralda]

You are ignorant. That edict is very old and modern Islam does not adhere to it.

The Islamic doctrine isn't a history book. The teachings are from ALLAH - carved in STONE, moron.

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Not any more than the Bible is carved in stone. You choose ignorance because you are full of hate and bigotry. You choose to believe this stuff because it goes along with what you want to think about other people. You are pathetic.

 

[Esmeralda]

The fact is you know nothing about modern Islam. You are very, very ignorant. Child abuse and rape are not part of Muslim society.

You're just another supporter of Islamic child abuse and rape.

You are a fucking jackass and idiot. You are absolutey pathetic.

 

[Brynmr]

As everyone can see from my post defining 'cult', some on the list clearly don't apply to Christianity and Buddhism (for instance). However they all do apply to Islam - the largest cult in the world.