German tanks unable to defeat Russian tanks

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

 

[Camp]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Sorry, I am right and you are wrong. The one without a clue is you. I don't even know how to respond to your claims about the Leopard 2A7 and how the Germans are arming and preparing along with the rest of Europe for tank warfare. I'll just give a few links about the German MBT (main battle tank).

www.janes.com/article/46904/germany-receives-first-leopard-2a7-mbt

www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Sorry, I am right and you are wrong. The one without a clue is you. I don't even know how to respond to your claims about the Leopard 2A7 and how the Germans are arming and preparing along with the rest of Europe for tank warfare. I'll just give a few links about the German MBT (main battle tank).

www.janes.com/article/46904/germany-receives-first-leopard-2a7-mbt

www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/

Your source just tells what I do:

"The Leopard 2A7 MBT leverages the earlier Leopard 2A5, 2A6, and Leopard 2 Peace Support Operation variants, combined with significant input from operational experience of Leopard 2 MBTs deployed by Canada and Denmark in Afghanistan.

The German Army has ordered a total of 20 Leopard 2A7 MBTs and the last of these will soon be delivered from KMW's Munich facility and issued to Tank Battalion 203, which currently operates 44 Leopard 2A6s."
Germany receives first Leopard 2A7 MBT - IHS Jane s 360

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[Camp]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Sorry, I am right and you are wrong. The one without a clue is you. I don't even know how to respond to your claims about the Leopard 2A7 and how the Germans are arming and preparing along with the rest of Europe for tank warfare. I'll just give a few links about the German MBT (main battle tank).

www.janes.com/article/46904/germany-receives-first-leopard-2a7-mbt

www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/

Your source just tells what I do:

"The Leopard 2A7 MBT leverages the earlier Leopard 2A5, 2A6, and Leopard 2 Peace Support Operation variants, combined with significant input from operational experience of Leopard 2 MBTs deployed by Canada and Denmark in Afghanistan.

The German Army has ordered a total of 20 Leopard 2A7 MBTs and the last of these will soon be delivered from KMW's Munich facility and issued to Tank Battalion 203, which currently operates 44 Leopard 2A6s."
Germany receives first Leopard 2A7 MBT - IHS Jane s 360

That same article states that the Germans plan to convert all of it's 2A6's into 2A7's. The Leopard was always designed to fight against Russian MBT's it was never designed to fight insurgents. Main Battle Tank means what it says. Other much less expensive vehicles are produced for that purpose.
Do you know what the conversion to A6's to A7's are? You will have to read the entire articles about those conversions. These upgrades usually include guns, munitions options, improved armor, radar and targeting, etc. The older versions are stripped down and replaced with higher tech replacements. .

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Sorry, I am right and you are wrong. The one without a clue is you. I don't even know how to respond to your claims about the Leopard 2A7 and how the Germans are arming and preparing along with the rest of Europe for tank warfare. I'll just give a few links about the German MBT (main battle tank).

www.janes.com/article/46904/germany-receives-first-leopard-2a7-mbt

www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/

Your source just tells what I do:

"The Leopard 2A7 MBT leverages the earlier Leopard 2A5, 2A6, and Leopard 2 Peace Support Operation variants, combined with significant input from operational experience of Leopard 2 MBTs deployed by Canada and Denmark in Afghanistan.

The German Army has ordered a total of 20 Leopard 2A7 MBTs and the last of these will soon be delivered from KMW's Munich facility and issued to Tank Battalion 203, which currently operates 44 Leopard 2A6s."
Germany receives first Leopard 2A7 MBT - IHS Jane s 360

That same article states that the Germans plan to convert all of it's 2A6's into 2A7's. The Leopard was always designed to fight against Russian MBT's it was never designed to fight insurgents. Main Battle Tank means what it says. Other much less expensive vehicles are produced for that purpose.
Do you know what the conversion to A6's to A7's are? You will have to read the entire articles about those conversions. These upgrades usually include guns, munitions options, improved armor, radar and targeting, etc. The older versions are stripped down and replaced with higher tech replacements. .

I was informed about the A7 before you knew it exists.
The articles says the Germans plan to convert all A6 into A7. That would be still very few A7, without any significance in a war.
But the article also states that they have no money to even equip their 20 tanks with a remote weapon station. Thus, the upgrade to the A7 will very likely never happen.

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

Poland is too weak to stop the Russians and is a major advocate of the US missile shield. If Poland can stop the Russians, the roundabout traffic of Nauru can.

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

Poland is too weak to stop the Russians and is a major advocate of the US missile shield. If Poland can stop the Russians, the roundabout traffic of Nauru can.

Or is it because the Russians just don't have any plans to invade anyone.....like your earlier dishonest explanation regarding the Ukraine.

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Why do you imagine tanks will even be opposed by tanks? There are many different weapons systems designed to destroy tanks. Russian reliance on tanks is an indicator of how far behind they really are.

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

Poland is too weak to stop the Russians and is a major advocate of the US missile shield. If Poland can stop the Russians, the roundabout traffic of Nauru can.

Or is it because the Russians just don't have any plans to invade anyone.....like your earlier dishonest explanation regarding the Ukraine.

True. Russia has no plans to invade Europe or Ukraine. But if Nato support for crazy Ukrainian regime doesn´t end, it might become unavoidable.
Russia masses more forces near Ukraine border - Telegraph

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

The A7 is. It is airconditioned ("insurgents" show up mostly in warm regions) and its protection focuses on rpg and planted explosives. The A7 also originally had a very short gun to be able to turn the turret in narrow streets.

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

Poland is too weak to stop the Russians and is a major advocate of the US missile shield. If Poland can stop the Russians, the roundabout traffic of Nauru can.

Or is it because the Russians just don't have any plans to invade anyone.....like your earlier dishonest explanation regarding the Ukraine.

True. Russia has no plans to invade Europe or Ukraine. But if Nato support for crazy Ukrainian regime doesn´t end, it might become unavoidable.
Russia masses more forces near Ukraine border - Telegraph

I don't think the Ukraine is worth the effort. They had a chance to get their shit together and join NATO, it didn't happen. If Russia were to start this same kind of nonsense with the Baltic states, there would be an entirely different outcome.

 

[Liminal]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

The A7 is. It is airconditioned ("insurgents" show up mostly in warm regions) and its protection focuses on rpg and planted explosives. The A7 also originally had a very short gun to be able to turn the turret in narrow streets.

While it may be optimized for service in a particular region, no tank has ever been designed to fight insurgents.

 

[Bleipriester]

Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

Did anyone else notice what happened to Russian tanks when confronted by French and American forces in
Iraq I?

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

The A7 is. It is airconditioned ("insurgents" show up mostly in warm regions) and its protection focuses on rpg and planted explosives. The A7 also originally had a very short gun to be able to turn the turret in narrow streets.

While it may be optimized for service in a particular region, no tank has ever been designed to fight insurgents.

Yes, the A7+.

 

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Plenty more where these came from.

utin s Russia is weak - the UK in many ways is stronger World news The Guardian

German Leopard 2 A6's were used extensively in Afghanistan and proved to be one of the best tanks in the world. Since the Russian upgrade of a small percentage of it's T-72 to either T-80's or T-90's, NATO, including Germany have been upgrading the Leopard to the A7+ series. In addition the fleet of leftover Russian tanks in Poland are steadily being upgraded to the now called P-91 model which is compatible with the Russian T-90. NATO tanks are as good or better than anything Russia can produce. The catch is that Russia can only afford to upgrade and produce the newer versions in limited quantities while it's main force includes older versions, even T-64's and 55's. NATO tends to upgrade in large quantity and their entire fleets.

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

The A7 is. It is airconditioned ("insurgents" show up mostly in warm regions) and its protection focuses on rpg and planted explosives. The A7 also originally had a very short gun to be able to turn the turret in narrow streets.

While it may be optimized for service in a particular region, no tank has ever been designed to fight insurgents.

Yes, the A7+.

I don't think you quite get the concept of armored warfare.

 

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You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

Germans only tremble at the thought of Russian aggression because of the possible loss of an important economic partner. But don't worry, the Russians will have to go through Poland first. A defeat in Poland would be very embarrassing for the Russians.

Poland is too weak to stop the Russians and is a major advocate of the US missile shield. If Poland can stop the Russians, the roundabout traffic of Nauru can.

Or is it because the Russians just don't have any plans to invade anyone.....like your earlier dishonest explanation regarding the Ukraine.

True. Russia has no plans to invade Europe or Ukraine. But if Nato support for crazy Ukrainian regime doesn´t end, it might become unavoidable.
Russia masses more forces near Ukraine border - Telegraph

I don't think the Ukraine is worth the effort. They had a chance to get their shit together and join NATO, it didn't happen. If Russia were to start this same kind of nonsense with the Baltic states, there would be an entirely different outcome.

Russia didn´t start anything in Ukraine. Nazis, supported by the West, started the unrest and forced the legitimate government to to resign.
Ukraine s Nazi party in the government. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Bleipriester]

You have no clue. The A7+ was made to fight insurgents, not tanks. Germany has 20 A7+. You think, 20 tanks can defeat Russia? Nato is largely the US forces. European armies are small and slight.

Read here about what funny jokes the European armies are:
"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months."
NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

By the way, there are no tanks designed to fight insurgents.....never have been, never could be.

The A7 is. It is airconditioned ("insurgents" show up mostly in warm regions) and its protection focuses on rpg and planted explosives. The A7 also originally had a very short gun to be able to turn the turret in narrow streets.

While it may be optimized for service in a particular region, no tank has ever been designed to fight insurgents.

Yes, the A7+.

I don't think you quite get the concept of armored warfare.

I don't think you quite get the concept of asymmetric warfare.