General question for any who know.

[BackAgain]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

 

[1srelluc]

Try this four page thread.

Post in thread 'Problem with bringing back Manafacturing jobs'

Apr 11, 2025

In what universe are the companies gonna raise wages?

Supply and demand.

• DonGlock26

 

[Leo123]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

I think so. Lost of people are working at service jobs right now. Many of them will probably gravitate to more lucrative manufacturing jobs. I was reading that schools are now having a bumper crop of blue collar students.

No more will it be necessary to get degrees in marketing, engineering, etc. to get a decent job. Nowadays, there are too many degreed college graduates working at Starbucks, sports shops, clothing stores, Walmart, etc.

 

[Mack The Finger]

I don't think about things like this since the only true measuring stick is it to actually happen. And even than the #s could be suspect !

 

[Dr.Destructo]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

Depends on the manufacturers and their ability to expand easily.

But if our industrial era is any indication of what Americans can do, then the answer is yes.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

Yes. There are very educated people working for Starbucks. The cuts in the Federal workforce have more. There will be little in the way of need for an uneducated, unskilled workforce. Bring back trade programs in schools, teach skilled trade in the prisons. Before you know it, America is employed again.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

Robotics, proper training, a motivated work force who want to get out of living check to check. Take a bit of profits off of Wall Street for awhile and expand U.S employment numbers and citizens purchasing power.

U.S will probably focus on auto manufacturing and other advanced manufacturing similar to what Germany once had before China flooded their market

The socks, shoes and junk products can be moved to other low wage nations. If millions of jobs move out of China it can't be a bad thing. India and other low wage nations won't be building a navy to invade their neighbour to start WWIII

Communism should never have been allowed to remain after the WTO entry. Trump may be the man who forces China to become a more free market economy. Otherwise, a decoupling isn't the worst outcome. Better to earn a little more, pay a little more and avoid the death of 10s of millions, no?

 

[BackAgain]

Robotics, proper training, a motivated work force who want to get out of living check to check. Take a bit of profits off of Wall Street for awhile and expand U.S employment numbers and citizens purchasing power.

U.S will probably focus on auto manufacturing and other advanced manufacturing similar to what Germany once had before China flooded their marker.

The socks, shoes and junk products can be moved to other low wage nations. If millions of jobs move out of China it can't be a bad thing. India and other low wage nations won't be building a navy to invade their neighbour to start WWIII

Communism should never have been allowed to remain after the WTO entry. Trump may be the man who forces China to become a more free market economy. Otherwise, a decoupling isn't the worst outcome. Better to earn a little more, pay a little more and avoid the death of 10s of millions, no?

Some of what you suggested is worthy of further contemplation (in my personal opinion). And I appreciate your thoughtful commentary.

I’d say “robotics” doesn’t help get the job seekers in their efforts to gain employment.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Some of what you suggested is worthy of further contemplation (in my personal opinion). And I appreciate your thoughtful commentary.

I’d say “robotics” doesn’t help get the job seekers in their efforts to gain employment.

I have a degree, was in an MBA, have corporate sales and management experience. When I was not working I rode a bike 45 minutes EACH direction to do heavy, unpleasant labour for shyte wages. I also applied for an assembly position at one point out of desperation but in this sad country it is all about "connections" even for labour and of course, the Creepy Ones decide who the "undesireables and desireable ones" are.

If a company puts out an announcement that they are hiring 200 people in manufacturing "experience an asset but not necessary, full training and benefits included". You will find motivated people who want the dignity of work, to pursue their dreams, pay for their family expenses.

Multiply such factories by say 1000, PLUS the high tech and AI revolution which must be done domestically in any serious country.

Men especially need a purpose and dignity of work. Those who deny them this will answer to a higher power one day.

 

[BackAgain]

I have a degree, was in an MBA, have corporate sales and management experience. When I was not working I rode a bike 45 minutes EACH direction to do heavy, unpleasant labour for shyte wages. I also applied for an assembly position at one point out of desperation but in this sad country it is all about "connections" even for labour and of course, the Creepy Ones decide who the "undesireables and desireable ones" are.

If a company puts out an announcement that they are hiring 200 people in manufacturing "experience an asset but not necessary, full training and benefits included". You will find motivated people who want the dignity of work, to pursue their dreams, pay for their family expenses.

Multiply such factories by say 1000, PLUS the high tech and AI revolution which must be done domestically in any serious country.

Men especially need a purpose and dignity of work. Those who deny them this will answer to a higher power one day.

Maybe we are miscommunicating.

I have no issue with robotics. In fact, I like it.

But if “robotics” means that human workers aren’t going to get the jobs because machines are going to do the work, instead (hey, on scale, their pay/wage is about as low as it can be), then robotics may cost the workers some jobs. Lots of jobs.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Maybe we are miscommunicating.

I have no issue with robotics. In fact, I like it.

But if “robotics” means that human workers aren’t going to get the jobs because machines are going to do the work, instead (hey, on scale, their pay/wage is about as low as it can be), then robotics may cost the workers some jobs. Lots of jobs.

There will definitely be workers, robotics are expensive and it's difficult to do some work processes. Also, you are always going to need people on the line when the robots have errors or go down.

Basically China overproduces and it would be the case in the U.S I presume. With trillions more being invested and tariffs, even 500k new manufacturing jobs would be great but who knows how many could be returned, especially as AI is ramping up dramatically in a battle for life and death between the West and China and their allies.

Ultimately I think it is addition by subtraction. Whatever the communists loses is a benefit to world peace and eventually capitalism in China. They just don't know it yet. Trump is most accurate saying that it should have been done long ago. The first time China violated WTO.

They also never should have been allowed to avoid GAAP rules and other requirements which allowed them to be listed on U.S indexes.

 

[buttercup]

Elon openly stated that a lot of people are going to be out of jobs, because everything is moving toward AI and robotics.

And I hate to say this, but I think as time goes on that's going to get worse and worse. This is why I've been bringing up the topic of the "Fourth Industrial Revolution"... but that topic seems to get very little interest here.

 

[BS Filter]

Trade schools are growing in popularity. There are many college grads that are unemployed.

 

[task0778]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

First of all, the question is based on a faulty premise, tariffs are not going to bring back manufacturing jobs to any appreciable degree. Not the high-paying jobs in big numbers, anyway.

Tariffs are aimed at encouraging businesses to relocate their factories to the United States to avoid paying the import taxes, which are usually passed along to consumers. Many economists said this approach could work for certain businesses, but it's unlikely to bring back the days when most items in someone's house could have a "made in the USA" label on them.

... for many products, it could still be cheaper to make them overseas and pay a tariff than to relocate a factory to the U.S. and pay higher wages.

If some businesses decide to build factories in the U.S., they will likely be highly automated, leading to few jobs being created.

Can Tariffs Bring American Factories Back To Life?

President Donald Trump's campaign of imposing tariffs on trading partners is unlikely to bring back the kind of manufacturing jobs that were once the backbone of the blue-collar middle class, economists say.

www.investopedia.com

Second, there is some doubt that tariffs will lead to a substantial increase in demand for domestic products. There's a reason why consumers weren't buying the higher-priced US products prior to the tariffs, and prices for domestic stuff won't get any cheaper. Instead, many people will make do with what they've got and wait for the tariffs to go away.

Third, I think we do have the numbers, but maybe not the skills.

 

[el midgetron]

I am curious. If tariffs serve several purposes — and one of the big ones is to “bring back manufacturing (and jobs) to our people” — then let’s imagine that Trump’s efforts succeed in “leveling” the playing field.

If so, my question is: does the United States presently have a work force numerically adequate to meet the needs of the manufacturers to satisfy increased demands for production by the USA?

HELL YES

 

[egp320i]

Trade schools are growing in popularity. There are many college grads that are unemployed.

those would be women's studies, liberal arts, sociology to name a few