General Powel: ****ALL 16**** Intel Agencies ***LIED*** to US

[Dschrute3]

Not giving the CIA and MIC their wars, is very dangerous. John F. Kennedy found that out. No President since, has seriously challenged the CIA and MIC.

Cuban Exiles and The Mob took JFK down.

Period.

There is no stronger emotion that wanting to get even for the act of betrayal. And the Cuban Exiles, The Mob? JFK fucked them, but good.

And they did worse to him than he did to them

Maybe? But i feel the CIA had a big hand in it. Kennedy refused to give it the Vietnam War. And that was the final straw. Refusing the CIA and MIC its wars, is very dangerous. In fact, no President since Kennedy has even attempted it.

 

[Missourian]

That being said, it's also true that Russia is an enemy of the United States. Trump and you are aiding the enemy.

Enemies like Cuba and Iran?

 

[there4eyeM]

And the extravagant waste of lives, military power, diplomatic status and vast amounts of treasure were all calculated to place the country in precisely the position where its only choices would serve the interests of the perpetrators.

 

[Contumacious]

Not giving the CIA and MIC their wars, is very dangerous. John F. Kennedy found that out. No President since, has seriously challenged the CIA and MIC.

Cuban Exiles and The Mob took JFK down.

Period.

There is no stronger emotion that wanting to get even for the act of betrayal. And the Cuban Exiles, The Mob? JFK fucked them, but good.

And they did worse to him than he did to them

I see. so Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Dulles was happy that JFK fired him?

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[Contumacious]

Intelligence be damned; the invasion was illegal and was known to be illegal. They had the standing armed forces the founding fathers rightly feared and they did what they wanted with it. It was a war crime.

You are probably right.

But as in the case of CIA Director Dulles, he actually attempted to feed JFK bullshit information to force him to send US troops into Cuban soil.


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Didnt JFK say he wanted to splinter the cia into a thousand pieces? Shortly thereafter, he was toast. This is how sinister, deadly, corrupt, and dangerous the cia is. Theyre a cancer that has metastasized into a beast that needs to be eradicated.

Yes, indeed he did. Then he fired Dulles. And Dulles thought that young JFK was a "threat to national security" - now what are "patriots" supposed to do to those who are threats

to national security?

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[IcebergSlim]

"If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press


*************************

President Trump

DO NO TRUST THE MOTHERFUCKERS

DRAIN THE SWAMP


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Can't hold the worst POTUS of the modern era responsible for ANYTHING, can you...

A bare two weeks after the attacks of September 11, at the end of a long and emotional day at the White House, a sixty-nine-year-old politician and businessman—a midwesterner, born of modest means but grown wealthy and prominent and powerful—returned to his enormous suite of offices on the seventh floor of the flood-lit and wounded Pentagon and, as was his habit, scrawled out a memorandum on his calendar:

Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover

Rumsfeld’s War and Its Consequences Now


but, you say....what evidence is there that the process was corrupted?



$20,000 bonus to official
who agreed on nuke claim
Energy Dept. honcho ordered dissenters
at Iraq pre-briefing to 'shut up, sit down'


$20,000 bonus to official who agreed on nuke claim

Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham gave Ryder a $13,000 performance bonus after the NIE report was released and just before the war, department sources say. He had received an additional $7,500 before the report.


“That’s a hell of a lot of money for an intelligence director who had no experience or background in intelligence, and who’d only been running the office for nine months,” said one source who requested anonymity. “Something’s fishy.”


Ryder declined to talk about the payments.


“I’m really not going to talk about my personal life,” he told WorldNetDaily.


Ryder, a long-time human resources bureaucrat, served nine months as acting director of Energy’s intelligence office. He stepped down in February, the month before the war.


Energy officials say Ryder rubber-stamped the administration’s conclusion that Baghdad was reactivating a nuclear weapons program over the objections of Energy’s nuclear weapons research labs and senior members of his own staff.

 

[Correll]

"If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press


*************************

President Trump

DO NO TRUST THE MOTHERFUCKERS

DRAIN THE SWAMP

While it's true that the intelligence community got some of the information wrong, it's also true that the Bush administration overstated information.

That being said, it's also true that Russia is an enemy of the United States. Trump and you are aiding the enemy.

The Cold War is over. Russia is not our enemy. Trump is going to avoid needless conflict.

 

[Correll]

I have no use for 'powell' , just another lib in my opinion , just a comment !!

The point is that the "intelligence community" LIES LIKE A RUG.


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It's so sad that calling someone a liar comes so easy to those who have no personal knowledge of the experience of those they attack. A lie is an attempt to mislead; when labeling a mistake in judgment, or an utterance which proves to be wrong a lie is a cop out, unless other evidence exists.

For example, the invasion of Iraq was predicated on its possession of WMD's by the Bush Administration, and yet, many of those who signed the Project for a New American Century's Statement of Principles in 1997 sought to engage Saddam, but no effort or discussion was articulated by the same people to engage N. Korea which was a greater threat to the US than was Iraq.

Two reasons stand out as an explanation:

1. Oil
2. The attempt on the life of George H. W. Bush

Those reasons don't stand out to me.


Reasons that stand out to me for the difference.


1. Seoul.

2. China.

3. War on Terror.

4. Belief in yearning of Arab Street for freedom.

5. Saddam.

 

[Contumacious]

"If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press


*************************

President Trump

DO NO TRUST THE MOTHERFUCKERS

DRAIN THE SWAMP


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Can't hold the worst POTUS of the modern era responsible for ANYTHING, can you...

A bare two weeks after the attacks of September 11, at the end of a long and emotional day at the White House, a sixty-nine-year-old politician and businessman—a midwesterner, born of modest means but grown wealthy and prominent and powerful—returned to his enormous suite of offices on the seventh floor of the flood-lit and wounded Pentagon and, as was his habit, scrawled out a memorandum on his calendar:

Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover

Rumsfeld’s War and Its Consequences Now


but, you say....what evidence is there that the process was corrupted?



$20,000 bonus to official
who agreed on nuke claim
Energy Dept. honcho ordered dissenters
at Iraq pre-briefing to 'shut up, sit down'


$20,000 bonus to official who agreed on nuke claim

Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham gave Ryder a $13,000 performance bonus after the NIE report was released and just before the war, department sources say. He had received an additional $7,500 before the report.


“That’s a hell of a lot of money for an intelligence director who had no experience or background in intelligence, and who’d only been running the office for nine months,” said one source who requested anonymity. “Something’s fishy.”


Ryder declined to talk about the payments.


“I’m really not going to talk about my personal life,” he told WorldNetDaily.


Ryder, a long-time human resources bureaucrat, served nine months as acting director of Energy’s intelligence office. He stepped down in February, the month before the war.


Energy officials say Ryder rubber-stamped the administration’s conclusion that Baghdad was reactivating a nuclear weapons program over the objections of Energy’s nuclear weapons research labs and senior members of his own staff.

My intent in starting this thread is to show that the CIA and the intel agencies are a threat to our President-elect , our Constitution and individual liberty.

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[Edgetho]

I see. so Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Dulles was happy that JFK fired him?


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I told you what happened. If you don't want to believe that, it's your call. I couldn't give a fuck less.

Cuban Exiles were SERIOUSLY pissed at JFK. More than you can imagine.

Pop on down to Hialeah Florida one of these days and run your stupid mouth about how great JFK was. Do it.

The Mob was pissed at JFK because Sam Giancana stuffed ballot Boxes in Cook County Illinois and helped give him the election. And as soon as JFK was elected, he forgot they existed. And stabbed them in the back to their minds. Keep reading...

The Mob got seriously FUCKED when Castro took over. All those Casinos, all those resorts and Hotels? Mob.

In fact, Castro wouldn't even announce he was a communist until JFK took office. Another factoid.

Plus, JFK's daddy was connected to The Mob. He was the biggest bootlegger in the Country. One of FDR's appointees....... Ambassador to Ireland, IIRC. And he used his post to smuggle in Tons (literally) of Scotch Whiskey.... Fact

So when JFK totally FUCKED the bay of Pigs invasion, many say on purpose, I believe it was incompetence, the Mob was PISSED OFF. And the Cuban Exiles were beyond pissed off. They had blood in their eyes.

Then, to make it worse, JFK's punk-ass brother, Bobby, goes after the Mob harder than ANY Attorney General in US History. They got him, too.

To the Mob and to the Cuban Exiles, they had been betrayed. And nothing is more important to real men (maybe you'll meet one someday) than honor. Like you'd understand that.....

You want to remain ignorant? Go for it. Afterall, you are a dimocrap.

It's best for you to stay ignorant.

And stupid

 

[Contumacious]

I see. so Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Dulles was happy that JFK fired him?


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I told you what happened. If you don't want to believe that, it's your call. I couldn't give a fuck less.

Cuban Exiles were SERIOUSLY pissed at JFK. More than you can imagine.

Pop on down to Hialeah Florida one of these days and run your stupid mouth about how great JFK was. Do it.

The Mob was pissed at JFK because Sam Giancana stuffed ballot Boxes in Cook County Illinois and helped give him the election. And as soon as JFK was elected, he forgot they existed. And stabbed them in the back to their minds. Keep reading...

The Mob got seriously FUCKED when Castro took over. All those Casinos, all those resorts and Hotels? Mob.

In fact, Castro wouldn't even announce he was a communist until JFK took office. Another factoid.

Plus, JFK's daddy was connected to The Mob. He was the biggest bootlegger in the Country. One of FDR's appointees....... Ambassador to Ireland, IIRC. And he used his post to smuggle in Tons (literally) of Scotch Whiskey.... Fact

So when JFK totally FUCKED the bay of Pigs invasion, many say on purpose, I believe it was incompetence, the Mob was PISSED OFF. And the Cuban Exiles were beyond pissed off. They had blood in their eyes.

Then, to make it worse, JFK's punk-ass brother, Bobby, goes after the Mob harder than ANY Attorney General in US History. They got him, too.

To the Mob and to the Cuban Exiles, they had been betrayed. And nothing is more important to real men (maybe you'll meet one someday) than honor. Like you'd understand that.....

You want to remain ignorant? Go for it. Afterall, you are a dimocrap.

It's best for you to stay ignorant.

And stupid

AGAIN

QUIT STONEWALLING


So Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Was Dulles happy that JFK fired him?


.

 

[Edgetho]

AGAIN

QUIT STONEWALLING


So Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Was Dulles happy that JFK fired him?


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What are you, a junior prosecuting attorney?

Or just another moronic dimocrap scumbag.....

yup

Dulles was irrelevant. Was he happy? No.

Could he have done anything about JFK firing him? No. He couldn't shit without the CIA, NSA, FBI and/or MI knowing where, when, how much and what color. How stupid can you possibly be to think the former head of the most secret, most powerful Intelligence Agency on Earth wouldn't be 'protected' every minute of every day?

Pretty stupid. You qualify

Would he have done anything? Highly doubtful. Very highly doubtful

You think "The X-Files" is a documentary, don't you??

I am so sick of stupid dimocrap scum

you qualify

 

[whitehall]

General Powell has always been a political enigma but he obviously knows the value (or lack of value) inherent in gigantic intelligence bureaucracies and in his old age it seems that he ain't afraid to voice his opinion.

 

[WillReadmore]

AGAIN

QUIT STONEWALLING


So Dulles' opinion that young JFK was a threat to national security is irrelevant?

Was Dulles happy that JFK fired him?


.

What are you, a junior prosecuting attorney?

Or just another moronic dimocrap scumbag.....

yup

Dulles was irrelevant. Was he happy? No.

Could he have done anything about JFK firing him? No. He couldn't shit without the CIA, NSA, FBI and/or MI knowing where, when, how much and what color. How stupid can you possibly be to think the former head of the most secret, most powerful Intelligence Agency on Earth wouldn't be 'protected' every minute of every day?

Pretty stupid. You qualify

Would he have done anything? Highly doubtful. Very highly doubtful

You think "The X-Files" is a documentary, don't you??

I am so sick of stupid dimocrap scum

you qualify

The problem with the Iraq decision was what happened to the intel after it got to the administration.

And, Powell has been crystal clear about that.

He stated, for example, that when he prepared for his UN talk he found that the practice had been to ignore anything that indicated there was no WMD capability worth war.

For example, our airforce rated Iraqi drones as incapable of spreading bio/chem naterial on a population, yet the administration retained the claim that Sadam was preparing to attack America from ships in that manner!

So, he had short time to cull through garbage to form a UN statement that made sense - which he very clearly failed to do.

The UNSC process was not completed, and I do not agree that we know why we conquered Iraq.

Powell may be right that we wouldn't have, had we all known there was no WMD threat, but ...

... our administration did not want to know.

 

[Tom Horn]

Remember how they cooked up the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" that got us all-out into Vietnam?

In 1995, former Secretary of Defense McNamara met with former Vietnam People's Army General Võ Nguyên Giáp to ask what happened on August 4, 1964 in the second Gulf of Tonkin Incident. "Absolutely nothing", Giáp replied.[9] Giáp claimed that the attack had been imaginary.[10]

 

[skye]

The thing to note peeps, is that when you're giving intel that will lead our country into war...you DAMN well better get it right. Lives are at risk, just like before Pearl Harbor.

Agencies that fail should be purged. Agencies that lie should be prosecuted.

Absolutely.
And they fail and they lie just too often, in fact they are still lying as we speak......inventing all this crap about Mr Trump and Russia and golden showers and all these stupid and ridiculous things.



3 words

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

[ClosedCaption]

The only people that claim that the Intel agencies lied to us are those who lied to us. Powell has no credibility and running around saying his actions was the fault of everyone else is lame.

Powell lied and now he''s looking for a scapegoat.

Yeah, right.

Their are angels when the demo_rats need them.


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This response is like me saying you like shit sandwiches as a rebuttal

Powell lied and you just say "well you liked him once". The topic is lying goofball

 

[ClosedCaption]

The only people that claim that the Intel agencies lied to us are those who lied to us. Powell has no credibility and running around saying his actions was the fault of everyone else is lame.

Powell lied and now he''s looking for a scapegoat.

I'm still unsure whether he was fully told that some professionals opined, correctly, that the "mobile biological labs" really were weather gathering facilities.

Powell to his credit, stood up to Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz and said there was no legal way to invade unless Saddam really had womd. After that the Axix of Evil in the W admin went about giving him reasons to suspect womd.

That's fair, but for Powell to say he lied because the Intel agencies made him is pure fuckery. He's the one who presented drawings as proof. Now he's like "uhh, it was THEIR FAULT"

I guess even Powell is admitting we were lied into war...with a twist.

 

[Rustic]

I have no use for 'powell' , just another lib in my opinion , just a comment !!

The point is that the "intelligence community" LIES LIKE A RUG.


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It's so sad that calling someone a liar comes so easy to those who have no personal knowledge of the experience of those they attack. A lie is an attempt to mislead; when labeling a mistake in judgment, or an utterance which proves to be wrong a lie is a cop out, unless other evidence exists.

For example, the invasion of Iraq was predicated on its possession of WMD's by the Bush Administration, and yet, many of those who signed the Project for a New American Century's Statement of Principles in 1997 sought to engage Saddam, but no effort or discussion was articulated by the same people to engage N. Korea which was a greater threat to the US than was Iraq.

Two reasons stand out as an explanation:

1. Oil
2. The attempt on the life of George H. W. Bush

You're shallow minded

 

[OnePercenter]

While it's true that the intelligence community got some of the information wrong, it's also true that the Bush administration overstated information.

That being said, it's also true that Russia is an enemy of the United States. Trump and you are aiding the enemy.

WHY is Russia an enemy of the US?

FACTS not WARMONGER BULLSHIT

Putin wants to obliterate western culture. btw; that's us.

Yep, pure warmonger bullshit..

Putin promotes nationalism. Any form of nationalism and western culture collide.

WUT?

They think they are the best and we think we are the best.

What's the harm?

We know that communism and white nationalism aren't the best.