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General Assembly Votes For Palestinian Right To Self Determination
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YKohen
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How odd. I didn't see the word "Palestine" at all anywhere in the Bible. Of course it isn't in the Torah, but it isn't in the NT either.
However, Judaea; the land of Judah, the land of the JEWS, is- a lot:
40-Matthew
40-2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
40-2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
40-2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
40-3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
40-3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
40-4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
40-19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;
40-24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
41-Mark
41-1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
41-3:7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
41-10:1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
41-13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
42-Luke
42-1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
42-1:65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.
42-2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
42-3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
42-5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
42-6:17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
42-7:17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
42-21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
43-John
43-3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
43-4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
43-4:47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.
43-4:54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.
43-7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
43-11:7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
44-Acts
44-1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
44-2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
44-2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
44-8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
44-9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
44-10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
44-11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
44-11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
44-12:19 And when Herod had sought for him, and found him not, he examined the keepers, and commanded that they should be put to death. And he went down from Judaea to Caesarea, and there abode.
44-15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
44-21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
44-26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
44-28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
45-Romans
45-15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;
47-2 Corinthians
47-1:16 And to pass by you into Macedonia, and to come again out of Macedonia unto you, and of you to be brought on my way toward Judaea.
48-Galatians
48-1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
52-1 Thessalonians
52-2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
However, Judaea; the land of Judah, the land of the JEWS, is- a lot:
40-Matthew
40-2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
40-2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
40-2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
40-3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
40-3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
40-4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
40-19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;
40-24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
41-Mark
41-1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
41-3:7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
41-10:1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
41-13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
42-Luke
42-1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
42-1:65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.
42-2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
42-3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
42-5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
42-6:17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
42-7:17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
42-21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
43-John
43-3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
43-4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
43-4:47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.
43-4:54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.
43-7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
43-11:7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
44-Acts
44-1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
44-2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
44-2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
44-8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
44-9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
44-10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
44-11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
44-11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
44-12:19 And when Herod had sought for him, and found him not, he examined the keepers, and commanded that they should be put to death. And he went down from Judaea to Caesarea, and there abode.
44-15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
44-21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
44-26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
44-28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
45-Romans
45-15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;
47-2 Corinthians
47-1:16 And to pass by you into Macedonia, and to come again out of Macedonia unto you, and of you to be brought on my way toward Judaea.
48-Galatians
48-1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
52-1 Thessalonians
52-2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
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How odd. I didn't see the word "Palestine" at all anywhere in the Bible. Of course it isn't in the Torah, but it isn't in the NT either.
However, Judaea; the land of Judah, the land of the JEWS, is- a lot:
40-Matthew
40-2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
40-2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
40-2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
40-3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
40-3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
40-4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
40-19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;
40-24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
41-Mark
41-1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
41-3:7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
41-10:1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.
41-13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
42-Luke
42-1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
42-1:65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.
42-2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
42-3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
42-5:17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
42-6:17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;
42-7:17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
42-21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
43-John
43-3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
43-4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
43-4:47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.
43-4:54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.
43-7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
43-11:7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
44-Acts
44-1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
44-2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
44-2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
44-8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
44-9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
44-10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
44-11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
44-11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
44-12:19 And when Herod had sought for him, and found him not, he examined the keepers, and commanded that they should be put to death. And he went down from Judaea to Caesarea, and there abode.
44-15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
44-21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
44-26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
44-28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
45-Romans
45-15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;
47-2 Corinthians
47-1:16 And to pass by you into Macedonia, and to come again out of Macedonia unto you, and of you to be brought on my way toward Judaea.
48-Galatians
48-1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
52-1 Thessalonians
52-2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
That's because those books are just made up shit. Get a life please.
YKohen
Senior Member
So you think the Pals should be under Israel thumb forever?
The simple fact is that the would-have-been “Palestinians” could have had a state in peace, but chose war on MANY occasions- INSTEAD:
The would-have-been “Palestinians” would have had a state IN PEACE in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1939 with the MacDonald White Paper, but they violently rejected it (and Jews would have even been restricted from BUYING land from Arabs).
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state IN PEACE in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and the PLO (1964).
They could have had a state IN PEACE after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
And as soon as Israel pulled every single Israeli out of Gaza, what did the would-have-been “Palestinians” do? They immediately started shooting thousands of missiles into Israeli population centers, they elected Hamas (whose official platform calls for jihad with no negotiations until Israel is destroyed) to rule them, and they have dug tunnels crossing into the Negev to kill and kidnap Israelis.
And even afterwards, Ehud Olmert made his subsequent generous offer that went far beyond even that of Barak. The would-have-been "Palestinians" rejected it.
They had many chances.
They threw them all away because destroying Israel was higher on their priority list.
Oh well.
So given their choice in that, they can stay here in OUR land or they can leave OUR land. It's their choice.
But if they choose to stay, it will be in peace. Otherwise, they won't have that choice.
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So basically, you think that the Pals should be under Israel thumb forever. Sorry, that'll get you nuked. I would like to find a solution to avoid that. No pro-Israel person at this board seems to care about that. I don't get it.So you think the Pals should be under Israel thumb forever?
The simple fact is that the would-have-been “Palestinians” could have had a state in peace, but chose war on MANY occasions- INSTEAD:
The would-have-been “Palestinians” would have had a state IN PEACE in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1939 with the MacDonald White Paper, but they violently rejected it (and Jews would have even been restricted from BUYING land from Arabs).
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state IN PEACE in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and the PLO (1964).
They could have had a state IN PEACE after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
And as soon as Israel pulled every single Israeli out of Gaza, what did the would-have-been “Palestinians” do? They immediately started shooting thousands of missiles into Israeli population centers, they elected Hamas (whose official platform calls for jihad with no negotiations until Israel is destroyed) to rule them, and they have dug tunnels crossing into the Negev to kill and kidnap Israelis.
And even afterwards, Ehud Olmert made his subsequent generous offer that went far beyond even that of Barak. The would-have-been "Palestinians" rejected it.
They had many chances.
They threw them all away because destroying Israel was higher on their priority list.
Oh well.
So given their choice in that, they can stay here in OUR land or they can leave OUR land. It's their choice.
But if they choose to stay, it will be in peace. Otherwise, they won't have that choice.
P F Tinmore
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So you think the Pals should be under Israel thumb forever?
The simple fact is that the would-have-been “Palestinians” could have had a state in peace, but chose war on MANY occasions- INSTEAD:
The would-have-been “Palestinians” would have had a state IN PEACE in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1939 with the MacDonald White Paper, but they violently rejected it (and Jews would have even been restricted from BUYING land from Arabs).
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state IN PEACE in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and the PLO (1964).
They could have had a state IN PEACE after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
And as soon as Israel pulled every single Israeli out of Gaza, what did the would-have-been “Palestinians” do? They immediately started shooting thousands of missiles into Israeli population centers, they elected Hamas (whose official platform calls for jihad with no negotiations until Israel is destroyed) to rule them, and they have dug tunnels crossing into the Negev to kill and kidnap Israelis.
And even afterwards, Ehud Olmert made his subsequent generous offer that went far beyond even that of Barak. The would-have-been "Palestinians" rejected it.
They had many chances.
They threw them all away because destroying Israel was higher on their priority list.
Oh well.
So given their choice in that, they can stay here in OUR land or they can leave OUR land. It's their choice.
But if they choose to stay, it will be in peace. Otherwise, they won't have that choice.
Israeli crapola.
You should be ashamed.
YKohen
Senior Member
So basically, they chose war instead of a state in peace.
They will either remain under OUR rule in OUR land- in peace, or they will leave.
Nobody will nuke us. That's why nobody here worries about it. In fact, the Arabs have asked US to protect them from Iran getting nukes.
They will either remain under OUR rule in OUR land- in peace, or they will leave.
Nobody will nuke us. That's why nobody here worries about it. In fact, the Arabs have asked US to protect them from Iran getting nukes.
YKohen
Senior Member
So you think the Pals should be under Israel thumb forever?
The simple fact is that the would-have-been “Palestinians” could have had a state in peace, but chose war on MANY occasions- INSTEAD:
The would-have-been “Palestinians” would have had a state IN PEACE in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1939 with the MacDonald White Paper, but they violently rejected it (and Jews would have even been restricted from BUYING land from Arabs).
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state IN PEACE in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and the PLO (1964).
They could have had a state IN PEACE after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state IN PEACE in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
And as soon as Israel pulled every single Israeli out of Gaza, what did the would-have-been “Palestinians” do? They immediately started shooting thousands of missiles into Israeli population centers, they elected Hamas (whose official platform calls for jihad with no negotiations until Israel is destroyed) to rule them, and they have dug tunnels crossing into the Negev to kill and kidnap Israelis.
And even afterwards, Ehud Olmert made his subsequent generous offer that went far beyond even that of Barak. The would-have-been "Palestinians" rejected it.
They had many chances.
They threw them all away because destroying Israel was higher on their priority list.
Oh well.
So given their choice in that, they can stay here in OUR land or they can leave OUR land. It's their choice.
But if they choose to stay, it will be in peace. Otherwise, they won't have that choice.
Israeli crapola.
You should be ashamed.
Israeli truthola.
You should get an ejamakashun.
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So basically, they chose war instead of a state in peace.
They will either remain under OUR rule in OUR land- in peace, or they will leave.
Nobody will nuke us. That's why nobody here worries about it. In fact, the Arabs have asked US to protect them from Iran getting nukes.
You don't force peace on someone during wartime, you can only do that AFTER you've completely defeated them. Think, Japan and Germany, they had to be forced to surrender unconditionally first before accepting forced terms. And it'll get israel nuked, eventually, because Iran WILL have nukes, and I think will use them against Israel. Personally, I'm not in Israel, so I'll be watching on TV.
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P F Tinmore
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Israeli crapola.
Every "opportunity" the Palestinians have been offered to get "a state" required them to give most of their country to foreign criminals. No other people in the world would accept such offers.
Why should the Palestinians be expected to accept what nobody else would?
YKohen
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It was never ***their*** country. They never had a country here.
And of course, we aren't criminals. In fact, THEY went against the UN and chose war instead of a state. THEY are the criminals.
Hey: It's fine with me. The more they continue with your position, the more we will settle our land and leave less for them.
The clock is ticking...
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It was never ***their*** country. They never had a country here.
And of course, we aren't criminals. In fact, THEY went against the UN and chose war instead of a state. THEY are the criminals.
Hey: It's fine with me. The more they continue with your position, the more we will settle our land and leave less for them.
The clock is ticking...
The clock is ticking on Iran making nukes. I know, you don't care. Oh well, you were warned. See ya on CNN when it all goes KABOOM!
P F Tinmore
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It was never ***their*** country. They never had a country here.
And of course, we aren't criminals. In fact, THEY went against the UN and chose war instead of a state. THEY are the criminals.
Hey: It's fine with me. The more they continue with your position, the more we will settle our land and leave less for them.
The clock is ticking...
More Israeli crapola.
Resolution 181 required the approval from both sides to become valid. The security Council did not implement resolution 181 because to do so without the approval of both sides would violate international law and the UN Charter.
YKohen
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Iran won't get nukes. We will do to them what we did to Iraq and Syria's nuclear programs to make sure- and the West will support it.It was never ***their*** country. They never had a country here.
And of course, we aren't criminals. In fact, THEY went against the UN and chose war instead of a state. THEY are the criminals.
Hey: It's fine with me. The more they continue with your position, the more we will settle our land and leave less for them.
The clock is ticking...
The clock is ticking on Iran making nukes. I know, you don't care. Oh well, you were warned. See ya on CNN when it all goes KABOOM!
And so will the Arabs:
"'Quiet' Arab Coalition Supports Attack On Iran" (09/11/2011)
As speculation grows over Israeli or American plans to attack IranÂ’s nuclear facilities, questions are being raised over Arab support for a military strike. Last yearÂ’s WikiLeaks trove of US diplomatic cables showed unanimous support among Arab rulers for military action. Then as now, however, in public, those same rulers have remained tight-lipped.
The cables revealed an abiding mistrust across the region of Iranian ambitions. Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah urged Washington to “cut off the head of the snake,” and both he and then-Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak described the Islamic Republic as “evil” and untrustworthy.
An Iranian nuclear weapon, Mubarak warned, was liable to set off a region-wide arms race.
“Bomb Iran, or live with an Iranian bomb,” added Zeid Rifai, then president of the Jordanian senate. “Sanctions, carrots, incentives won’t matter.”
In the Persian Gulf, the rulers of Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates were all reportedly in favor of a strike.
So too was the king of Bahrain, where a Sunni elite rules over a large Shi’ite majority and which officials in Iran have described as the country’s “fifteenth province.”...
“Saudi Arabia Gives Israel Clear Skies To Attack Iranian Nuclear Sites” (June 12, 2010)
Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on IranÂ’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.
...To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdomÂ’s air defences will return to full alert.
“The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”...
"A-BOMB FEAR" (February 13, 2008)
Gulf states believe Israel will destroy Iran's nuclear programme rather than allow it to acquire an atomic bomb, an adviser to the Kuwaiti government and GCC said yesterday.
If Iran did build the bomb, said Sami Alfaraj, then the Jewish state might be one of the countries - along with the US and Pakistan - Gulf nations would ask to provide a "nuclear umbrella" to guarantee their security.
Alfaraj, president of the Kuwait Centre for Strategic Studies, said Israel might bomb Iranian nuclear facilities in the same way it destroyed Iraq's main atomic reactor at Osirak with a military strike in 1981.
A nuclear-armed Iran would trigger an arms race beyond the Gulf region, drawing in states like Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and Kazakhstan, Alfaraj said at the start of a 'roadshow' organised by Realite-EU, an independent body which tracks Middle East security developments.
States that could not develop their own atomic weapons would seek a "nuclear umbrella", he said, adding: I do not dismiss an Israeli nuclear umbrella, I do not".
Simon Henderson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said Iran could develop a bomb "under the radar" in the same way that Pakistan emerged as an atomic power in 1998.
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That's YOUR quote. Thanks for the help.Iran won't get nukes. We will do to them what we did to Iraq and Syria's nuclear programs to make sure- and the West will support it.It was never ***their*** country. They never had a country here.
And of course, we aren't criminals. In fact, THEY went against the UN and chose war instead of a state. THEY are the criminals.
Hey: It's fine with me. The more they continue with your position, the more we will settle our land and leave less for them.
The clock is ticking...
The clock is ticking on Iran making nukes. I know, you don't care. Oh well, you were warned. See ya on CNN when it all goes KABOOM!
And so will the Arabs:
Simon Henderson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said Iran could develop a bomb "under the radar" in the same way that Pakistan emerged as an atomic power in 1998.
YKohen
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That's YOUR quote. Thanks for the help.Iran won't get nukes. We will do to them what we did to Iraq and Syria's nuclear programs to make sure- and the West will support it.The clock is ticking on Iran making nukes. I know, you don't care. Oh well, you were warned. See ya on CNN when it all goes KABOOM!
And so will the Arabs:
Simon Henderson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said Iran could develop a bomb "under the radar" in the same way that Pakistan emerged as an atomic power in 1998.
Right, and that was from 2008. Since then:
"'Quiet' Arab Coalition Supports Attack On Iran" (09/11/2011)
As speculation grows over Israeli or American plans to attack IranÂ’s nuclear facilities, questions are being raised over Arab support for a military strike. Last yearÂ’s WikiLeaks trove of US diplomatic cables showed unanimous support among Arab rulers for military action. Then as now, however, in public, those same rulers have remained tight-lipped.
The cables revealed an abiding mistrust across the region of Iranian ambitions. Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah urged Washington to “cut off the head of the snake,” and both he and then-Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak described the Islamic Republic as “evil” and untrustworthy.
An Iranian nuclear weapon, Mubarak warned, was liable to set off a region-wide arms race.
“Bomb Iran, or live with an Iranian bomb,” added Zeid Rifai, then president of the Jordanian senate. “Sanctions, carrots, incentives won’t matter.”
In the Persian Gulf, the rulers of Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates were all reportedly in favor of a strike.
So too was the king of Bahrain, where a Sunni elite rules over a large Shi’ite majority and which officials in Iran have described as the country’s “fifteenth province.”...
“Saudi Arabia Gives Israel Clear Skies To Attack Iranian Nuclear Sites” (June 12, 2010)
Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on IranÂ’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.
...To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdomÂ’s air defences will return to full alert.
“The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”...
P F Tinmore
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Of course all that bomb stuff is just smokescreen because Iran will not attack Israel whether they get the bomb or not.
YKohen
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Iran won't get the bomb, because they might think about it- or having a proxy do it for them.
So it's a moot point.
So it's a moot point.
P F Tinmore
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Indeed, Iran has no intention of attacking Israel. It is all just Israeli fear mongering.
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