Gays in the millitary?? No fair!!

[Bass v 2.0]

'Scuse me Ass Ho? What the **** do you call all the bullshit you spew? Love notes?

DADT is a failed policy that needs to be repealed.

DADT hasn't failed the military, its working just fine the only people its bothering is faggots who are mad that they can't say they're faggots openly, its not bothering anyone else.

You must have your head in the sand if you honestly believe DADT only bothers gays.

You mus have you head up your four point of contact if you think most heteros in the military wants to hear someone openly saying they're a ******. Come join the military and find out if most troops want to hear faggots openly saying they're while in uniform.

 

[ABikerSailor]

DADT hasn't failed the military, its working just fine the only people its bothering is faggots who are mad that they can't say they're faggots openly, its not bothering anyone else.

You must have your head in the sand if you honestly believe DADT only bothers gays.

You mus have you head up your four point of contact if you think most heteros in the military wants to hear someone openly saying they're a ******. Come join the military and find out if most troops want to hear faggots openly saying they're while in uniform.

Hey Ass Ho, since when did the Air Force start letting reservist rejects start recruiting?

You're not a poster boy of the military, you're a poster boy for Planned Parenthood.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

You must have your head in the sand if you honestly believe DADT only bothers gays.

You mus have you head up your four point of contact if you think most heteros in the military wants to hear someone openly saying they're a ******. Come join the military and find out if most troops want to hear faggots openly saying they're while in uniform.

Hey Ass Ho, since when did the Air Force start letting reservist rejects start recruiting?

You're not a poster boy of the military, you're a poster boy for Planned Parenthood.

When does a squid that loves child anal rape have the right to call a former AF officer a reject? The Bass did his military time and got a great job as a result of it, no need to be 20 career soup sandwich like you to prove true worth to the military.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Don't hate, Da Bass. Hate is whack, yo.

How'd I do trying to speak ebonics?

 

[csbarry]

Sure would bug the shit outta you if it was repealed tomorrow, and the gays serving in the military were able to get BAQ and VHA for their partners, wouldn't it?

You know people, the main reason that a lot of people in this thread are so against it is because they know that if DADT is repealed, the next thing that will happen will be legalization of gay marriage.

Or, if gay marriage is legalize over the entire country, the military is going to have to get rid of DADT.

THAT is what they are scared of.

It's not so much that we're scared, it's just that we're going to do everything possible to insure DADT remains intact.

 

[maineman]

Sure would bug the shit outta you if it was repealed tomorrow, and the gays serving in the military were able to get BAQ and VHA for their partners, wouldn't it?

You know people, the main reason that a lot of people in this thread are so against it is because they know that if DADT is repealed, the next thing that will happen will be legalization of gay marriage.

Or, if gay marriage is legalize over the entire country, the military is going to have to get rid of DADT.

THAT is what they are scared of.

It's not so much that we're scared, it's just that we're going to do everything possible to insure DADT remains intact.

that's kind of an uphill swim, isn't it? The president, SECDEF and CJCS all want to eliminate it.

 

[Rambunctious]

Everyone serving knows there are gay men and women serving in today's military, not just enlisted personnel either but senior brass even married brass, but when a lesbian ties a tourniquet on your leg to save your life or a *** shields his platoon from an IED saving his men I can assure you no one is thinking about sexuality.

 

[csbarry]

Sure would bug the shit outta you if it was repealed tomorrow, and the gays serving in the military were able to get BAQ and VHA for their partners, wouldn't it?

You know people, the main reason that a lot of people in this thread are so against it is because they know that if DADT is repealed, the next thing that will happen will be legalization of gay marriage.

Or, if gay marriage is legalize over the entire country, the military is going to have to get rid of DADT.

THAT is what they are scared of.

It's not so much that we're scared, it's just that we're going to do everything possible to insure DADT remains intact.

that's kind of an uphill swim, isn't it? The president, SECDEF and CJCS all want to eliminate it.

Those individuals you mentioned may want to eliminate it, but then again, it's not about them. It's about what the Nation wants. Put it on the ballot and the policy remains in effect.

 

[csbarry]

Everyone serving knows there are gay men and women serving in today's military, not just enlisted personnel either but senior brass even married brass, but when a lesbian ties a tourniquet on your leg to save your life or a *** shields his platoon from an IED saving his men I can assure you no one is thinking about sexuality.

That's all well and good, just DADT.

 

[maineman]

Those individuals you mentioned may want to eliminate it, but then again, it's not about them. It's about what the Nation wants. Put it on the ballot and the policy remains in effect.

bullshit. we live in a representative democracy. We elect our congressmen and our senators and our president and task THEM with running this country. We do NOT place everything out to referendum. It IS the commander-in-chief's responsibility to set the policies of our military. If you don't LIKE the policies that he sets, you can wait for the next presidential election and then try and replace him with someone more to your liking.

Did you even TAKE civics?

 

[ABikerSailor]

It's not so much that we're scared, it's just that we're going to do everything possible to insure DADT remains intact.

that's kind of an uphill swim, isn't it? The president, SECDEF and CJCS all want to eliminate it.

Those individuals you mentioned may want to eliminate it, but then again, it's not about them. It's about what the Nation wants. Put it on the ballot and the policy remains in effect.

You know, that may have some truth to it, but sadly, it doesn't.

I'm gonna start calling you Crazy Shit Barry (or fairy, depending).

As far as putting it on a ballot? Well, interestingly enough, I just watched an interview with Barry Levin (you know, the guy that just took over the chairmanship of Ways and Means), and when he was asked about the fucked up policy of DADT, he stated that everyone said (including McStupid), there should be a 1 year study for the policy.

He also stated that during that 1 year policy, when looking to see if it should be rescinded or not, NOBODY should be discharged during that time for being gay. Other things such as discipline, EAOS and all the others? Business as usual, just no discharges for homosexuality during the study.

The bill is already working it's way through Congress.

Oh yeah........Mr. Levin? He supports getting rid of DADT.

Try again Cat Shit Fairy.

 

[HUGGY]

Everyone serving knows there are gay men and women serving in today's military, not just enlisted personnel either but senior brass even married brass, but when a lesbian ties a tourniquet on your leg to save your life or a *** shields his platoon from an IED saving his men I can assure you no one is thinking about sexuality.

Ya normal people would just appreciate the help they were getting. After seeing several hundred offerings by the Bass Asser I honestly believe that even if his life blood was running out of his veins he would be interested to know who was or was not gay.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You mus have you head up your four point of contact if you think most heteros in the military wants to hear someone openly saying they're a ******. Come join the military and find out if most troops want to hear faggots openly saying they're while in uniform.

Hey Ass Ho, since when did the Air Force start letting reservist rejects start recruiting?

You're not a poster boy of the military, you're a poster boy for Planned Parenthood.

When does a squid that loves child anal rape have the right to call a former AF officer a reject? The Bass did his military time and got a great job as a result of it, no need to be 20 career soup sandwich like you to prove true worth to the military.

A Squid? Yep, spent 20 years in the Navy.

Loves child anal rape? No..........I didn't learn about parenting from where you've apparently learned it. Sounds like a methodology you would use.

Do I have a right to call you a reservist reject? Yep. As someone who has been in the military, as well as has deployed to front line areas rather than use some bullshit excuse to say that I couldn't deploy OUTCONUS.

And, since there is a right to free speech in this country (also evidenced by the slanderous posts you put up), I CAN call you a reservist reject that only did 1 hitch.

Go ahead........tell me I'm wrong, refute ANY of this Bass Hole.

 

[woodjack]

Did you ever serve?

If so, how many years?

During that time, did you know any gays or lesbians?

If not, shut the **** up. We are losing soldiers to a really fucked up policy, many of which are highly decorated as well as major league assets to the military.

Daniel Cho is one of them. He's one of only 500 Arabic speaking translators in the military. We are currently at war with Arabic speaking people

They kicked him out.

An Air Force pilot, who has several awards for bravery and valor, one of which is the DFC. He single handedly flew air support for a squad that was pinned down. He saved the lives of all those that made it out of that battle.

They want to kick him out.

Almost every ally that we have in NATO allows gays to serve openly. Only thing they have to do is abide by the rules of good order and discipline.

Just like the straights are expected to do.

Incidentally, almost all of the gay and lesbian people in the military are better than everyone else at their jobs, generally.

Wanna know why? Comes from an old Navy saying......."One aw shit will wipe out a thousand atta boys".

The gays make sure they've got at least 1001 atta boys. Why? They never know when the axe is gonna drop, and they want to make sure they will have enough juice to stay in.

I really do not care about the dadt policy either way. In my experience I have seen 8 people kicked out because of it, and it was because they did not want to serve they hated their job and used it as an excuse to get out. I would guess that over half of the cases are because the individual just wants to get out period. the others are probably revenge from scorned lovers and such. but they never show the stats for that, it is just all these "good soldiers" getting kicked out.....bull

As to serving openly gay in the military........what the hell does that mean? go to gay pride parades dressed in your bdu's or service dress? can't happen period. this is all a political scheme and means nothing.

the only thing this will do is let military members be able to go to gay and lesbian clubs without fear of recrimination, but if you go now gay and lesbian bar near a military base you still find military members there anyway dadt. talk about you sexual prefrence while in uniform in the work place is prohibited anyway just do the mission or task that you have been trained for period.

it is a joke that this is stiring up controvercy. do away with it or keep it in place it will not change the military at all they still vote conservative even after the dadt policy was put in place.

The thing with doing away with it might bring up is base housing......will gay lovers that got married in a state that allows it, will they be elligible to move into base housing......you may laugh but about the base housing issue I can see where military families will be very uncomfortable with this if that were allowed ...putting a light on things that should be kept in the bedroom.

but they are not talking about that...politicians are sooo short sighted and never look at the big picture of what this might entail...will the significant other have access to medical attention, will they get a raise because they have a dependant? base housing? if they get aids they will get kicked out reguardless or will that be considered discrimination because of ones lifestyle lead to the disease?....I know straight people get this affliction as well but they get kicked out the same...look at the big picture please these are just a few issues that will require to be dealt with all for a small fraction of military members is it really worth wasting time over?

"If not, shut the **** up. We are losing soldiers to a really fucked up policy, many of which are highly decorated as well as major league assets to the military."

The only people I have seen get out because of this policy is because they hated it ...if they do not like their job and do not want to be there I do not want to train them because it wastes my time and theirs. Yes I have heard of other people getting kicked out that want to stay in but read between the lines please there are other reasons why they are getting booted period.

If they were that good at their jobs then people will look past that. As a leadership position commissioned officer you are held to a higher standard and if your personel life brings into question trust issues or integrity and morale then you have a major problem be there a dadt policy or not. There are certain things you cannot do as a commissioned officer.

 

[ABikerSailor]

What is your opinion on Daniel Choi (in previous posts, I'd spelled his name wrong).

He was at 18 years, and looking forward to retirement. He speaks Arabic, and was a front line operator, who had served several tours in the ME.

His evaluations were outstanding, and all the men under his command respected and admired him.

How is he one of those ones that didn't want to stay in?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Did you ever serve?

If so, how many years?

During that time, did you know any gays or lesbians?

If not, shut the **** up. We are losing soldiers to a really fucked up policy, many of which are highly decorated as well as major league assets to the military.

Daniel Cho is one of them. He's one of only 500 Arabic speaking translators in the military. We are currently at war with Arabic speaking people

They kicked him out.

An Air Force pilot, who has several awards for bravery and valor, one of which is the DFC. He single handedly flew air support for a squad that was pinned down. He saved the lives of all those that made it out of that battle.

They want to kick him out.

Almost every ally that we have in NATO allows gays to serve openly. Only thing they have to do is abide by the rules of good order and discipline.

Just like the straights are expected to do.

Incidentally, almost all of the gay and lesbian people in the military are better than everyone else at their jobs, generally.

Wanna know why? Comes from an old Navy saying......."One aw shit will wipe out a thousand atta boys".

The gays make sure they've got at least 1001 atta boys. Why? They never know when the axe is gonna drop, and they want to make sure they will have enough juice to stay in.

I really do not care about the dadt policy either way. In my experience I have seen 8 people kicked out because of it, and it was because they did not want to serve they hated their job and used it as an excuse to get out. I would guess that over half of the cases are because the individual just wants to get out period. the others are probably revenge from scorned lovers and such. but they never show the stats for that, it is just all these "good soldiers" getting kicked out.....bull

As to serving openly gay in the military........what the hell does that mean? go to gay pride parades dressed in your bdu's or service dress? can't happen period. this is all a political scheme and means nothing.

the only thing this will do is let military members be able to go to gay and lesbian clubs without fear of recrimination, but if you go now gay and lesbian bar near a military base you still find military members there anyway dadt. talk about you sexual prefrence while in uniform in the work place is prohibited anyway just do the mission or task that you have been trained for period.

it is a joke that this is stiring up controvercy. do away with it or keep it in place it will not change the military at all they still vote conservative even after the dadt policy was put in place.

The thing with doing away with it might bring up is base housing......will gay lovers that got married in a state that allows it, will they be elligible to move into base housing......you may laugh but about the base housing issue I can see where military families will be very uncomfortable with this if that were allowed ...putting a light on things that should be kept in the bedroom.

but they are not talking about that...politicians are sooo short sighted and never look at the big picture of what this might entail...will the significant other have access to medical attention, will they get a raise because they have a dependant? base housing? if they get aids they will get kicked out reguardless or will that be considered discrimination because of ones lifestyle lead to the disease?....I know straight people get this affliction as well but they get kicked out the same...look at the big picture please these are just a few issues that will require to be dealt with all for a small fraction of military members is it really worth wasting time over?

"If not, shut the **** up. We are losing soldiers to a really fucked up policy, many of which are highly decorated as well as major league assets to the military."

The only people I have seen get out because of this policy is because they hated it ...if they do not like their job and do not want to be there I do not want to train them because it wastes my time and theirs. Yes I have heard of other people getting kicked out that want to stay in but read between the lines please there are other reasons why they are getting booted period.

If they were that good at their jobs then people will look past that. As a leadership position commissioned officer you are held to a higher standard and if your personel life brings into question trust issues or integrity and morale then you have a major problem be there a dadt policy or not. There are certain things you cannot do as a commissioned officer.

Seems as though some people want to change DADT just because they want to. As far as the President its a political victory for him if he can change it. He really could care less. The people who do care are those directly affected in a negative way from any change. and that would be many more than the few gays who probably wouldn't come out anyway.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick question for Oliver Pissed and Failed Load.......

You're in a hot zone, getting over run by enemy. The guy in the foxhole next to you states that he thinks that everyone is finished and wants to come clean.

He then states he's gay.

Because of the relief he feels from no longer carrying around that heavy mental load, he then charges the enemy, takes out quite a few, and saves the squad.

Question is.........when you return, do you report them?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Quick question for Oliver Pissed and Failed Load.......

You're in a hot zone, getting over run by enemy. The guy in the foxhole next to you states that he thinks that everyone is finished and wants to come clean.

He then states he's gay.

Because of the relief he feels from no longer carrying around that heavy mental load, he then charges the enemy, takes out quite a few, and saves the squad.

Question is.........when you return, do you report them?

Why is it that the examples you use for justifying faggots in the military are always the extreme cases when they're not the norm?

 

[JW Frogen]

I was in the military for a long while and I am proud to say I never reported anyone. Never had to, it was always between them and me. I did not need regulations to work it out. This in some ways means more to me than any of my medals.

 

[Dr Grump]

The FACT is; despite what some quack doctors or otherwise mis-informed individuals may claim, homosexuality is not a natural occurrence in the human species, nor are sexual encounters among same sex partners in the "animal" kingdom. Please note my wording.

Same sex encounters within the "animal" kingdom are the result of a genetic anomaly. Whatever the anomaly is, the un-natural sexual behavior will negate its ability to reproduce, thus strengthening and insuring the survival of the rest of the species. I'm sure you've heard the term, survival of the fittest.

Unfortunately for the human race, or homo sapien if you will, there are those individuals who think they know better than "Mother Nature" and claim homosexuality is a natural occurrence within our species. I disagree, and it is my opinion that for the most part, homosexuality has been a choice of the participants and not a genetic anomaly affecting those same participants as the afore mentioned individuals would have you believe.

Before the backlash begins, you should know this. I acknowledge and will protect anyones right to live their life as they see fit. However; I don't believe in gay unions of any kind; I don't believe gay individuals should be allowed to adopt children; and I don't believe heterosexuals serving in the military should be exposed to any form of behavior other than that which would be considered prevalent in the military, a predominantly heterosexual community.

First off........there is genetic proof that gay is a natural thing. Interestingly enough, there isn't just "one gay gene", it's actually a combination of several genes along a certain area in the DNA strand.

That is why scientists and doctors have measured physiological differences in places like the brain, the hormones, and in some cases, even physical manifestations.

Remember the Kenyan runner who was disqualified because genetically she's 2/3 male? It happens.

There are also other considerations, one of the main ones being that the repugnance that most straight people feel when thinking about same gender sex, is exactly how gays feel about heterosexual sex. It just doesn't feel "right" to them.

What is a problem is the perception of a lot of straight people when it comes to gays. No, just like all you heteros have your idea of what is good looking or not to you, the gays are the same.

And, just like most straights don't go around trying to bone everything in sight, most gays don't either. But, because most straight people are scared of gays (they think gay may be contagious), they don't bother to find these things out, preferring instead to create their own stories to show how much better they are than the gays.

Might wanna do some research on this subject before spewing forth bullshit csbarry. You obviously haven't fully researched this.

And........incidentally.........why shouldn't gays be afforded the same legal rights as straights? Do you realize how fucked over single people are in this country when it comes to taxes and working overtime?

That's not a moral issue, that is a legal one, and aren't all people created equal in this country?

There is zero evidence to support your argument. The only real evidence that supports homosexuality is homosexual behavior.

There is no evidence to support Barry's either...