Gas tax time?

[Annie]

Kennedy said through his spokesman, David Smith, that he was opposed to "turning over public lands for private commercial use."
Kennedy's nephew, Robert Kennedy Jr., a prominent New York environmentalist, has also spoken against the wind farm.
"People go to the cape because they want to connect themselves with the history and the culture," he told Boston's NPR affiliate, WBUR, in 2002. "They want to see the same scenes the Pilgrims saw when they landed at Plymouth Rock. "
Sen. John Kerry -- whose windsurfing across the Nantucket Sound was immortalized in Republican campaign ads and who ran for the presidency on a strong alternative energy platform -- said he will wait for the final government report on the project, due at the end of 2005, before he takes a stand on the issue. Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, own a house on Nantucket.

Let's just say that their 'concern' for 'pristine' vanished with JFK and power boats, with Jackie in two piece, in early 1960's.

 

[Mr.Conley]

I guess you missed this...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...MNG5H9V40D1.DTL

Massachusetts' Republican Gov. Mitt Romney and Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy, whose family compound in Hyannis would look out at the wind farm -- have warned that the unsightly turbines would depress property values and damage the local economy, which relies heavily on tourism. A Beacon Hill Institute study, commissioned by the opponents of the project, said 21 percent of the 98,000 jobs on Cape Cod were in tourism-related industries in 2000.
Romney has said the wind farm should not be built in "a national treasure. "
Kennedy said through his spokesman, David Smith, that he was opposed to "turning over public lands for private commercial use."
Kennedy's nephew, Robert Kennedy Jr., a prominent New York environmentalist, has also spoken against the wind farm.
"People go to the cape because they want to connect themselves with the history and the culture," he told Boston's NPR affiliate, WBUR, in 2002. "They want to see the same scenes the Pilgrims saw when they landed at Plymouth Rock. "
Sen. John Kerry -- whose windsurfing across the Nantucket Sound was immortalized in Republican campaign ads and who ran for the presidency on a strong alternative energy platform -- said he will wait for the final government report on the project, due at the end of 2005, before he takes a stand on the issue. Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, own a house on Nantucket.

Exactly, Massachusetts Govenor Mitt Ronmey is against the windmills. The problem is with arrogant, rich people.

Sounds like Kerry is waiting to find out all the facts though. It seems like an obvious choice but waiting for all the inforamation is an understandable position.

When Arafat and that dimwit Carter received Nobel prizes, it's relevance disappeared. We have been warned since the discovery of oil that we would run out next week, scientist aren't that knowledgeable, they do little more than make an educated guess. Most scientist are no more reliable than the people that are funding them.

Do you mean all Noble prizes or just the Peace Prizes? Are you saying a chemist shouldn't put his Noble Prize in Chemistry on his resume?

I can understand both situations you use as examples. At the time, the North Korea talks appeared successful. It wasn't until 8 years later that we discovered Kim would go back on his word. At the time of the awarding, Kim was only installed in power in 1994 and was an unknown quantity. Most other nations and leaders honor the treaties they sign. Unfortunately, no one knew that Kim wouldn't be one of those people.
The Oslo Accords and following peace talks were seen at the time as the best chance for peace in decades.

Why were these regulations written? Politicians caving into psuedo environmentalist demands? President Bush has proposed using some of the many bases closed by the Clinton administration for refinery sites, brilliant idea.

They were written during the Carter and Reagan administrations. Was Reagan a liberal too? Besides, at this point, with or without regulations, I doubt we'll see another refinery for a while. Its cheaper and easier to construct refineries in other countries.
As for the bases for refineries. It's as brillent as the Maginot line. Not a negative, but pointless.

So would Haddington be more politically correct because they aren't American?

Your looking at the wrong Haddington.
The impoortant idea is that I want the company that can do the job the as good as possible, for as little as possible, and as honestly as possible. If Halliburtan is all of those things then I am more than happy to let them do the job. Do you have a problem with that?

http://www.massturnpike.com/bigdig/...challenges.html
Actually construction started in 91 and both of these hypocrites played cheerleader for it. It originally was suppose to cost 2 billion. It is now somewhere near 20 billion and leaking....good job. Did Havvvad engineers come up with this boondoggle?

Initial construction yes, but environmental impact and feasability studies (hehehe) started in the 80s.
I believe the project was designed by MIT engineers. Apparently Boston didn't want to drive an extra three blocks to find someone who could get the job done right. Hehehe...

Then again, this is pointless to the subject so moving on.

Apple is languishing? That makes as much sense as the rest of the paragraph.
Apple today closed with marketcap of $72.13 billion, surpassing Dell's $71.97 billion and making it one of the most valuable PC vendors in the world (behind HP).... I would love to have such a languishing company.

Exactly. The entire market value of Apple is less than that of Bill Gates before he found the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Apple controls 5-6% of the operating software market. Microsoft is killing Apple in the computer market. Thats the analogy.
I assume your concedingthe following arguements.

Same arguement against the National Sales Tax. Is someone a closest democrat? Yes you are correct. The rich will be less affected because they are rich. This is generally true of flat taxes.

I agree. However, we are going to be hitting a major oil supply issue very soon. Plus do you really want to rely on the Middle East for oil? On dictators who channel money to Bin Laden? Because if you do, then by all means lets keep things the way they are.

 

[sitarro]

Exactly, Massachusetts Govenor Mitt Ronmey is against the windmills. The problem is with arrogant, rich people.

Sounds like Kerry is waiting to find out all the facts though. It seems like an obvious choice but waiting for all the inforamation is an understandable position.

Typical, you claim that you didn't know of Ted Kennedy or John Kerry's hypocritical problem with solutions for clean energy so I give you proof and your only response is to point out the Republican Governor who is playing to his constituents..... he is wrong also. Admit it, they preech to us all about their deep concerns about "global warming" and clean air but they don't want the solutions in their yard. . . .hypocrites. Not to mention that John F. Kerry and his troll....err....I mean provider....wife has, at last count, NINE mansions(all oversized energy wasters). Killer Ted has, I'm sure, just as many useless monuments to himself. . . I wonder why these great defenders of the poor don't donate these extra places to the poor for their use.

If John Kerry is waiting for anything, it is the latest poll to tell him what he believes.

Do you mean all Noble prizes or just the Peace Prizes? Are you saying a chemist shouldn't put his Noble Prize in Chemistry on his resume?

Who cares, Nobel prizes are about as significant as Oscars, the best don't nessassarily get the award, it's more about politics.

They were written during the Carter and Reagan administrations. Was Reagan a liberal too? Besides, at this point, with or without regulations, I doubt we'll see another refinery for a while. Its cheaper and easier to construct refineries in other countries.
As for the bases for refineries. It's as brillent as the Maginot line. Not a negative, but pointless.[/QUOTE

Typical, the reason most experts say is the problem for our supply of fuel is the lack of refining capacity but somehow you know what people that actually work in the industry don't know. Why build in other countries and have to depend on transport problems? How is that cheaper in the long run?
Get in an airplane and fly across this country, get out of that artificial little haven and see how much open space there really is across this country. We live in America not a new England, the rest of the country isn't at all like that elitist piece of shit you live in(the worst drivers I have ever experienced in the world are Boston drivers).

Your looking at the wrong Haddington.
The impoortant idea is that I want the company that can do the job the as good as possible, for as little as possible, and as honestly as possible. If Halliburtan is all of those things then I am more than happy to let them do the job. Do you have a problem with that?

sure.

Initial construction yes, but environmental impact and feasability studies (hehehe) started in the 80s.
I believe the project was designed by MIT engineers. Apparently Boston didn't want to drive an extra three blocks to find someone who could get the job done right. Hehehe...

Then again, this is pointless to the subject so moving on.

crap.

Exactly. The entire market value of Apple is less than that of Bill Gates before he found the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Apple controls 5-6% of the operating software market. Microsoft is killing Apple in the computer market. Thats the analogy.
I assume your concedingthe following arguements.

So what? Apple is no different than Porsche, BMW or Mercedes, More Chevrolets are sold than all three put together. Does that fact make Chevrolet better? Microsoft may be "killing" Apple in world sales but Apple is killing Microsoft in innovative and quality design and craftsmanship. Microsofts new operating system, announced in 2001 as Longhorn andclaimed to be available in 2004 is now called Vista and has had it's release pushed back again to early 2007(even if it does finally come out it will no doubt be obsolete upon release). Apple's OS10 shipped in March of 2001 and has had numerous free updates along with 3 major updates from Jaguar to Panther to Tiger. Leopard is schedueled for release in August of this year. That is a totally new operating system the same year Microsoft was announcing a future change with 4 major updates before Windows latest release date, Windows can try once again to copy Apple's work but are so far behind, who cares?

Same arguement against the National Sales Tax. Is someone a closest democrat? Yes you are correct. The rich will be less affected because they are rich. This is generally true of flat taxes.

That is funny, if I care about the poor I am a closet Democrat...bullshit. If I was advocating using the poor to get votes I would agree but that isn't what I was talking about. The Dems are the party that gave cigarettes to homeless and fried chicken to blacks to buy their votes.
Just like the Democrat party you totally missed the point. The Democrat party has used the poor for votes for decades and yet their policies haven't helped any poor people get out of that bracket. Their strength comes from keeping people poor and dangling a carrot in front of them and demonizing the Republicans promoting envy of what they supposedly have. The Democrats hypocritically pretend that they aren't rich, that they are one of them. Kennedy, Kerry, Palosi all extremely rich and the only "people of color" they have contact with are their maids and yard workers and maybe a few athletes. The fact is they offer no real world solutions,never have.

I agree. However, we are going to be hitting a major oil supply issue very soon. Plus do you really want to rely on the Middle East for oil? On dictators who channel money to Bin Laden? Because if you do, then by all means lets keep things the way they are.

I have heard that same arguement for decades, the oil is there, the refined product is the supply problem. We need to build new updated refining centers that keep fuel supply flowing even with disruptions because of earthquakes, Hurricanes, or strikes. Work is being done on alternative ways to live whether it be transportation or dwellings but we need solutions now. Taxes aren't going to stop people from driving their own cars, cars a part of the freedom in this country. You will only hurt the people that can afford it the least.

 

[sitarro]

1. US oil demand declined for the first time in 5 years after Katrina sent prices up.
2. High prices reduce demand. If the tax is high enough, demand will drop.



Prices will rise. Higher gas prices aren't fun for anyone, but they are inevitable. Oil is a finite resource, you can either pay a little more today or a whole lot more in 10-15 years. A higher tax make the price higher, making alternatives more attractive to industry and consumers now instead of in a decade when we start seeing major supply issues. If we work ahead than when oil prices start going crazy, we'll be a bit more insulated from shocks.

Great, you must be in favor of the oil industry raising prices on their products then. Imagine how much good they could do with the extra capital from raising their prices by a couple of dollars per gallon? They can explore for more oil and even continue their research on alternate fuels....you didn't think they would give up the job of providing energy for the world did you? They will be able to expand their corporations and build new office buildings adding more and more jobs to our economy. And of course the CEOs will be able to live like Kennedys or Kerry/Heintzes.

Surely since your goal is to make everything we depend on to survive much more expensive, all in the name of bull shit junk science, you shouldn't have a problem with the capitalist system working unless you are a socialist and advocate the government stealing money from the people that actually earn it. Why should the government make more money, come on Exxon, Conley wants you to artificially raise your prices to get all of us sinners under control. And Ford, stop selling those cars and trucks so cheap, you guys should also profit from the windfall of pricing to control the dumb masses. And all of you University heads, jump on and crank that tuition up, we should pay a bigger price for such quality education.

I can't wait for those 10 dollar tacos and 20 dollar hamburgers. Burger King and Taco Bell, make us pay for our unhealthy habits!

Oh and the waste of energy and effort and of course building products need to be stopped now, bulldoze what is left of that dump New Orleans. After all "scientists" are saying that the ocean water levels are rising and the hurricanes are only going to get worse so why waste the money, supplies, and effort, New Orleans is doomed. If they insist on going ahead with the idiocy of rebuilding, tax the shit out of all residents and land owners to help fray the cost of the rescue effort and the next rebuild. Hell, maybe if New Orleans land starts costing 10 million a half acre and the taxes on that new appraisal is quadrupled, it just might keep the mold lovers from wanting to live in such an assinine place.

You no what kid, you are like a little baby discovering it's navel for the first time. We have all heard your rediculous argument for many years, you and your idiot professors are wrong as always......socialism doesn't work, it never has never will. The only people that actually entertain the idea of it are tenured professors that have no idea what the real world is like, their childish little students and dictators that will just profit more from it.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Typical, you claim that you didn't know of Ted Kennedy or John Kerry's hypocritical problem with solutions for clean energy so I give you proof and your only response is to point out the Republican Governor who is playing to his constituents..... he is wrong also. Admit it, they preech to us all about their deep concerns about "global warming" and clean air but they don't want the solutions in their yard. . . .hypocrites. Not to mention that John F. Kerry and his troll....err....I mean provider....wife has, at last count, NINE mansions(all oversized energy wasters). Killer Ted has, I'm sure, just as many useless monuments to himself. . . I wonder why these great defenders of the poor don't donate these extra places to the poor for their use.

If John Kerry is waiting for anything, it is the latest poll to tell him what he believes.

This is really off topic...
1. Wow, a politician being hypocritical. Stop the presses.
2. Regardless of what Senator Kennedy or Gov. Ronmey say, it should still be done.
3. I don't think a Republican would pander to the Kennedy family for votes

Who cares, Nobel prizes are about as significant as Oscars, the best don't nessassarily get the award, it's more about politics.

Well your very much alone in that position. I would think the 1 milion dollar plus cash prize alone adds some import. Do you have anything to show that your opinion is the one generally held by the public.

So what? Apple is no different than Porsche, BMW or Mercedes, More Chevrolets are sold than all three put together. Does that fact make Chevrolet better? Microsoft may be "killing" Apple in world sales but Apple is killing Microsoft in innovative and quality design and craftsmanship. Microsofts new operating system, announced in 2001 as Longhorn andclaimed to be available in 2004 is now called Vista and has had it's release pushed back again to early 2007(even if it does finally come out it will no doubt be obsolete upon release). Apple's OS10 shipped in March of 2001 and has had numerous free updates along with 3 major updates from Jaguar to Panther to Tiger. Leopard is schedueled for release in August of this year. That is a totally new operating system the same year Microsoft was announcing a future change with 4 major updates before Windows latest release date, Windows can try once again to copy Apple's work but are so far behind, who cares?

I am not here to argue whether or not Apple is a better product the Windows. Regardless of how good Apple is, Microsoft is doing far better financially then Apple ever has. Will you at leat admit that. I mean it was an analogy, thats all.

That is funny, if I care about the poor I am a closet Democrat...bullshit. If I was advocating using the poor to get votes I would agree but that isn't what I was talking about. The Dems are the party that gave cigarettes to homeless and fried chicken to blacks to buy their votes.
Just like the Democrat party you totally missed the point. The Democrat party has used the poor for votes for decades and yet their policies haven't helped any poor people get out of that bracket. Their strength comes from keeping people poor and dangling a carrot in front of them and demonizing the Republicans promoting envy of what they supposedly have. The Democrats hypocritically pretend that they aren't rich, that they are one of them. Kennedy, Kerry, Palosi all extremely rich and the only "people of color" they have contact with are their maids and yard workers and maybe a few athletes. The fact is they offer no real world solutions,never have.

The democrat's theoretical injustices against the poor have nothing to do with a Gas Tax.

I have heard that same arguement for decades, the oil is there, the refined product is the supply problem. We need to build new updated refining centers that keep fuel supply flowing even with disruptions because of earthquakes, Hurricanes, or strikes. Work is being done on alternative ways to live whether it be transportation or dwellings but we need solutions now. Taxes aren't going to stop people from driving their own cars, cars a part of the freedom in this country. You will only hurt the people that can afford it the least.

What if they hit the wells? How will refineries help you then. Besides. Mexico lost 1 million BpD in production last the, the million that went to us. Then add in Ghawar (Saudi Arabia's largest field) peaking by 2010, and you hit a serious supply/demand inbalance.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The democrat's theoretical injustices against the poor have nothing to do with a Gas Tax.
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Except that it's an example of another one.

 

[Redhots]

Thats a pretty nifty link. Thanks Dmp.

 

[sitarro]

This is really off topic...
1. Wow, a politician being hypocritical. Stop the presses.
2. Regardless of what Senator Kennedy or Gov. Ronmey say, it should still be done.
3. I don't think a Republican would pander to the Kennedy family for votes

How is it off topic? I have listed the jerks that are most responsible for raising our taxes so that they can turn around and use that money to buy votes. These clowns don't want clean solutions anywhere near them and have no real world solutions. I noticed you didn't bother to address the fact that Kerry-Heinz has 9 mansions, should be pay huge tax for that energy consumption?

Well your very much alone in that position. I would think the 1 milion dollar plus cash prize alone adds some import. Do you have anything to show that your opinion is the one generally held by the public.

Publisher's Clearing House gives out a million dollar prize, so what?
They gave Yasser Arafat a Nobel Peace Prize!!!!!!!How full of shit do you have to be to respect that?

I am not here to argue whether or not Apple is a better product the Windows. Regardless of how good Apple is, Microsoft is doing far better financially then Apple ever has. Will you at leat admit that. I mean it was an analogy, thats all.

There is no argument, Apple's operating system is much more sophisticated and their machines are proving to run Windows faster now that you have a choice to run either on a MAC. I have spoken to people in the engineering field that are now running CAD on an intel iMAC, they are blown away at the difference. They have noticed a huge difference in Photoshop also.

The democrat's theoretical injustices against the poor have nothing to do with a Gas Tax.

Really, why is that. Who is going to be effected the most by a regressive tax? Everything is effected, food prices, shoes, clothes, everything! How well are the bullshit sin taxes working? Have people stopped drinking because the government has artificially made it more expensive? How about smoking? Where does all that stolen money go? What has been made better in this country with that money?

What if they hit the wells? How will refineries help you then. Besides. Mexico lost 1 million BpD in production last the, the million that went to us. Then add in Ghawar (Saudi Arabia's largest field) peaking by 2010, and you hit a serious supply/demand inbalance.

Nobody knows what is down there. The experts paid for by the "tax and spend" side have been panicking about the end of oil supplies since before your parents were born, how wrong they have been. Why should we believe them now? Supplies are being discovered every time new technology is developed to find them. How did Mexico lose a million barrels a day? link?