From a conservative perspective I'm always skeptical! People fear pissing off the influential Hispanic voting block and the corporate donors (don't forget who employs illegals), so immigration reform usu becomes ignore the enforcement part and just do the amnesty part!
However, see below daily-caller calls it a win for conservatives. Are they right
Four things conservatives should applaud in the immigration bill | The Daily Caller
I am old enough to remember the Secure Fence Act and it's a failure. More wasted and nothing has been done. Liberals place up to many obstacles. Pro-illegals bring stalling suits at every corner and no one has the ballz to take on these groups, so the money just get squandered. In the end, will $3B more add anything? Time will tell, but the government's track record isn't good here. I expect no fence of substance to be built and only a minor inconvenience to illegals coming here.
I love eVerify and it just makes sense! What is the penalty for ignoring it? If it's not substantial, it will get ignored. Huge area is the construction sector? Will if apply to them? Many times these guys get paid off the books, so eVerify might not catch a huge sector that is a giant part of the problem.
Makes sense, but I consistently see illegals get welfare and food stamps now and they aren't supposed to. I don't think that will end now. Besides the vast vast majority of illegals don't get healthcare, so why would they get it now when the cost is skyrocketing. They will continue us the ER like a pediatrician's office or as their main doctor and sick the American with the bill.
Obamacare is a horrendous plan, so this little jump for joy doesn't give me optimism!
LOL, I am still wondering how they intend to prove someones time here. I mean they are illegal, so they skate underneath the law. Will it be old bank statements (yea those can't be forged)? Old utility bills? Ditto. I guarantee a guy who came here yesterday will be able to buy the "proof" he needs to meet the deadline.
We are not so naive into believing this will happen!
I am pessimistic, because I see how sanctuary cities and STATES just ignore enforcement and in many cases actively work against it.
I applaud Rubio's efforts, but I don't think this will have any effect accept turning two red states blue (which is intent) - TX and AZ. Think about it. California, a mecca for business big and small, was in play up until amnesty. After amnesty CA was guaranteed blue. Regardless of liberal wishing, TX and AZ are far from becoming blue. Let's not accelerate that!
However, see below daily-caller calls it a win for conservatives. Are they right
Four things conservatives should applaud in the immigration bill | The Daily Caller
I was too young to really comprehend Reagan's amnesty bill at the time, but enforcement was part of the bill. Cities and States decided to ignore the enforcement part and the pro-illegal traitors demonize anyone who tries to enforce the laws.1. Border security. In 2006, the Secure Fence Act appropriated $1.2 billion (which many thought was an inadequate amount) to build a fence on 700 miles of the southern border. Much of this fence was never completed. This led border security hawk and former Sen. Jim DeMint (now head of the Heritage Foundation) to offer an amendment to the DHS appropriations bill in 2009 that would have mandated the fence be built by December 31, 2010. The amendment passed the Senate, but never became law, much to the dismay of DeMint and many other conservatives.
The new immigration reform bill contains $4.5 billion to implement border security. A majority of the border security funds go toward actual fence-building or maintaining a physical presence on the border physical, not virtual fencing.
I am old enough to remember the Secure Fence Act and it's a failure. More wasted and nothing has been done. Liberals place up to many obstacles. Pro-illegals bring stalling suits at every corner and no one has the ballz to take on these groups, so the money just get squandered. In the end, will $3B more add anything? Time will tell, but the government's track record isn't good here. I expect no fence of substance to be built and only a minor inconvenience to illegals coming here.
2. E-verify. Conservatives have long complained about employers hiring illegal immigrants and getting away with it. This bill contains tough e-verify provisions potentially the biggest deterrent in the bill to future illegal immigration and illegal immigrants not eligible for legalization remaining in the US. This is significant, considering that many liberals and civil libertarians (for whom immigration reform is an important issue) oppose it. Americas Voice, a pro-immigration group, viewed inclusion of E-verify as a trade-off. The ACLU obviously is not enthused about E-verify forming a part of the bill. But conservatives got it into the bill.
I love eVerify and it just makes sense! What is the penalty for ignoring it? If it's not substantial, it will get ignored. Huge area is the construction sector? Will if apply to them? Many times these guys get paid off the books, so eVerify might not catch a huge sector that is a giant part of the problem.
3. Obamacare. Congressional Democrats wanted Obamacare exchanges to cover all immigrants. However, in addition to putting all illegal immigrants who legalize under the same constraints as legal immigrants with regard to benefit-seeking (i.e., they are legally barred from seeking or receiving welfare), the immigration bill also prevents access to Obamacare. As Sen. Marco Rubio said on Fox News Sunday, [T]hey dont qualify for any federal benefits This is an important point. No federal benefits, no food stamps, no welfare, no Obamacare. They have to prove theyre gainfully employed. They have to be able to support themselves, so theyll never become a public charge. This is a point on which President Obama was forced to concede, and a make-or-break point from conservatives standpoint.
Makes sense, but I consistently see illegals get welfare and food stamps now and they aren't supposed to. I don't think that will end now. Besides the vast vast majority of illegals don't get healthcare, so why would they get it now when the cost is skyrocketing. They will continue us the ER like a pediatrician's office or as their main doctor and sick the American with the bill.
Obamacare is a horrendous plan, so this little jump for joy doesn't give me optimism!
)4. Cutoff date. The cutoff date for eligibility to apply for legal status is December 31, 2011. But as the executive director of the aforementioned pro-immigration group, Americas Voice, told the New York Times: We understand the need for a cutoff date, but it should be 2013, not 2011. As a result, this bill takes a more conservative approach and doesnt make legalization an option for recent arrivals (who might have come here specifically to take advantage of potential legislation.
LOL, I am still wondering how they intend to prove someones time here. I mean they are illegal, so they skate underneath the law. Will it be old bank statements (yea those can't be forged)? Old utility bills? Ditto. I guarantee a guy who came here yesterday will be able to buy the "proof" he needs to meet the deadline.
We are not so naive into believing this will happen!
I am pessimistic, because I see how sanctuary cities and STATES just ignore enforcement and in many cases actively work against it.
I applaud Rubio's efforts, but I don't think this will have any effect accept turning two red states blue (which is intent) - TX and AZ. Think about it. California, a mecca for business big and small, was in play up until amnesty. After amnesty CA was guaranteed blue. Regardless of liberal wishing, TX and AZ are far from becoming blue. Let's not accelerate that!