Future employment is completely screwed. KTHXBYE

[80zephyr]

The conservatives have killed unions. Causing a drop in working class wages .

Bullshit. Unions have killed unions.

That depends. I belong to a carpenters union. I get no vacation pay, no holiday pay, no sick days. I do get health benefits and good pay WHEN I WORK.

In my area, paper making is a big deal. Those union workers got personal time off, holidays, 6 to 8 weeks of vacation, paid birthdays, free work boots, etc.

And the paper mill went broke. Last year they bulldozed the entire (a billion dollar business) to the ground. Unions can be good or bad. Since we live in a global economy, anyone who thinks that with a high school education should be paid like a PHD causes their own demise.

Mark

Where I worked, they had Teamsters representation. Drivers made 22.80 per hour, 2 personal days (paid), 6 sick days (paid), 14 paid vacation days for the first 3 years, 3 weeks after 4 years, 4 weeks after 6 years and 5 weeks after 10 years. Holiday pay, overtime. Oh, and excellent health and retirement.

The company STILL made huge profits and, in general, there was excellent working conditions.

The problem? Guys who have worked there all their working lives have been told that their pensions are being cut in half by the Teamsters.

Some of these guys had worked there 35-45 years. It not the companies fault, it is the fault of the leadership at the TOP of the teamsters.

The leaders were told by their investment strategists that they could expect an 8% return on their investment every year.
Who in the fuck in their right mind would believe that?

Pensions are cut because those promises didn't come to fruition. And they should never have made those promises bases on pie in the sky returns.

The rank and file that lapped it up are also at fault.

Yes, it is the fault of the leadership of the teamsters. Many US cities made these same types of promises to their teachers, police, and fire fighters.

Anyone that could think knew the numbers were bullshit.

Mark

 

[SwimExpert]

I will say, I have 2 young people in my family who earned master's degrees, and neither one of them walked into a good job. Both of them have settled.

They're young, and they already have Masters degrees. Well, kudos to them for their dedication to their educations. However, I wonder exactly what kind of jobs they were expecting to "walk" into. Did they expect to be recruited directly into upper management?

The fact of the matter is that what I am seeing nowadays is that more often than not degrees are over valued and over emphasized by many employers, with many people being prematurely progressed before they're truly ready. They lack the leadership skills and maturity to lead, but because they are graced with the "degree" bias their shortcomings are disregarded, excused, or perhaps even passed off as other peoples' faults.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I can't speak for people in the world of college degrees, because I don't have one and never been there.

I will say, I have 2 young people in my family who earned master's degrees, and neither one of them walked into a good job. Both of them have settled.

My uncle has all the schooling, he became an architect and designed/built a hotel or two in Los Angeles. He bounces around from job to job every few years. He just bought a house , and probably won't be able to live there. that's no kind of life, having to chase a job market.

How far back can you remember politicians saying they were going to "create jobs" and "improve" the economy? During that time they relocated MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people over here. It's not just "cheap labor" , The Socialists moved many immigrants into the real job growth, which seems to be Kwik-E-Marts and other merchants. During this time, young Americans were told "Sorry, it's a bad economy"

It seems to me this society has mutated into one that despises people that work with their hands, the same workers who earn all the money for the business. somehow , sitting around as a manager and telling people to get to work, or being a business advisor and telling the owner to cut wages, ...those are the jobs that are considered important, and if you are a member of the right cabal you might get that job.

In Los Angeles the skilled trades are dead. They just hire anyone off the street to do drywall , painting, cabinets. You hire a company to install new floors and next year the whole floor is bubbling or warped.

On orders from corporate, large businesses have decided they're not paying high wages no matter what, and they just learn to adapt to the repercussions. Americans should demand companies come back and re-do everything, but they're too nice.

I wish Americans could apply for jobs before they hire the company. I they saw the people they were hiring, with a different perspective, they wouldn't hand over 30k to rebuild their house.

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Many companies are handing down blind corporate rules.

Don't listen to the media. If people have any type of criminal record, our Socialist leaders are telling you to go kill yourself, you're not getting hired. It's red light or green light. Anything they find is red light, they don't want to hear expungement stories or what ever. With the help of the Feds, people are coming up with all kinds of ways to get around court rulings preventing employers from receiving that information.

The double scary part is, people are being denied jobs for credit records, driving records, or even info on Facebook.

The triple scary part is, insurance companies are now dictating who employers can hire.

America is becoming like Stain era Russia, once you are listed as opposing the Communist party, by criminal record or bad credit, you're an enemy of the state, you may as well go die,.. and they are implementing this through employment. (completely un American)



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When my parents bought their house it was 35k , then when I was in my 20's it was 140k, now, for unexplained reasons it's worth 500k. They say "oh that's the capitalist market", but it's not, because people buy a house for a few years, then have to leave , unlike the families that lived on my block for 30+ years.

What happened was, someone decided, why wait 40 years to collect 80k in profit when we can do it 5?

I have a good job, and I can't afford the worst house out here.

The average single person in my area must be spending 40% to 70%+ on rent or mortgage alone.

With a skilled but non-degree job, it's difficult to earn over 20 per hour. "Big cities pay higher expense wages" , it's a myth.

Now with Obamacare, the average person has to tack on another $200 to $500 per month. If Bernie Sanders gets his way, college will be free, with means the working person will have to pick up the bill.

A person will work to put themselves through college, pay high taxes, then find out they're not getting into the best college because the Socialists are choosing who gets in, by means other than grades. (but the person pays the school taxes regardless)



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The good times are coming to an end for the union jobs as well.

Many Americans tried to forget about what was right, what was equal, and what was fair, and they focused on their Socialist union, who placed the rotten chicken in their pot.

They supported the Democrats, demanded higher wages, then the Democrats sent their jobs to Socialist nations where there was slave labor.

In Los Angeles , any union that is not publically funded is paying lower wages with their "tier system"

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The average person spends about 2 years in a job. Few people have a career anymore.

One year you're customer service, another year you're carpet cleaning, the next year you're a car battery technician, ...and non of it pays crap



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To fix what the Socialists have done to this country, the equivalent would be to convince a majority of Americans to clime up mount Everest with no supplies and barefoot

You live in L.A. according to your profile, move, we have plenty of skilled no degree jobs making over $20 bucks an hour, with two bedroom brick houses going for under 35 grand down here in South Carolina .

 

[Wolfstrike]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most of what you're complaining about was done by Capitalists>>>>>>>>>.

I live in California, nothing but Democrat policy state and federal. no one else to blame