What was its capital then, who was its leader, what was its monetary unit and who owned the land under International law at the time ?
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What was its capital then, who was its leader, what was its monetary unit and who owned the land under International law at the time ?
docmauser1
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And since palistanians aren't a nation themselves they may go pound sand, of course.
Yet they lived there. Why should they be forced to leave?
That's such a stupid canard.
The region known as Palestine has existed under that name for some time. It does not have to have the above to "exist" as a region with inhabitants.
Because the Palestinians that had carried that name for 1900 years were not being forced to leave, but the violent fifth columnists that arrived in the past 75 years were being deported as illegal immigrants and enemies of the state. If you look the arab muslims that looked on the land as theirs took up the offers and are now full citizens of the state. Would you like a psychopathic terrorist living next door to you, one hell bent on killing you and your family because they believe that your property is theirs
As soon as you use the term nation to describe the arab muslims claims you are showing your lack of understanding. Which is why the questions are always asked and never replied to properly. If Palestine was a nation before 1988 then it must have had a capital city, a currency, a leader or leaders, a GDP, and a set of laws. It must also have had a treaty signed by the LoN giving it the land undewr the terms of the Mandate for Palestine. Like Syria has, Iraq has, Jordan has and Israel has.
But seeing as it was just an undefined area in the M.E. that had no leaders or capital then it could not have been a nation. It is no different to the Gobi desert, the Sahara, the Pampas or the Steppes which are also not nations but just places on the map.
It's not undefined. It's a region. Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
... a geographic region in Western Asia between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. It is sometimes considered to include adjoining territories. The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin.
Like Basque, Mongolia, Siberia, etc. You're insisting that in order to "exist" and by extention, its people to exist it must have defined borders, a capital, a currency, etc. That's bullshit. A canard designed to delegitimize their existence and rights.
Did the Souix have a border? A capital? A currency? A GDP? How about the Cheyenne? How many other people will suddenly cease to exist as a people?
Dogmaphobe
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The Arabs who had not yet invented their identity as "Palestinians" were invited to stay and take part in the new state of Israel. They chose warfare and murder, instead. Why should those dedicated to murder based upon ethnicity be allowed to return once they have made such a choice?
It wasn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Those who live their now have a right to keep living there.
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Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937
Oh, they formed state? When ?
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"Nation: A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory." nation - definition of nation in English from the Oxford dictionary
Phoenall said:
Nation= "A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory."
Nation State= "A form of political organization in which a group of people who share the same history, traditions, or language live in a particular area under one government.
Country= "A nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory."
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P F Tinmore
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Well, that is a 1937 League of Nation document and Palestine was already a state.
The official start date was 1924.
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Lets try this for a hypothetical......
Refugees settle (squat) in places they have no right to. They might stay their for decades, but they have no legal claim or right to that land. When are asked to move and the owners want the land back, should they have a right to demand it as their state? If they go to some place and work the land for the owners, they have no right to demand they have infinite right through time to make it their land.
If the PA fails or gives the land back to Israel, those in camps that have no legal deed to the land they are on can be removed. The UN camps were set up for convenience to help the refugees. The UN does not own the land nor to the refugees. Even if a state of some type is created in the WB, the camps are not legal determinant dwellings built to modern standards.
Camps around Beirut have grown on what was once park land. Palestinians have occupied apartment buildings, chalets and private homes but they have no permanent claim of ownership or right to stay there forever. The property belong to Lebanese.
Jews bought land but after the fact arabs want to declare the sales null and void. Money was exchanged, documents signed and taxes paid. Sellers remorse is just too bad. The land is no longer their's.
Towns have sprouted out of necessity but through most of gaza and the WB there is no legal proof of ownership. Even land that many palestinians might have registered, they did take the opportunity because they did not want to serve in the military or pay taxes. They don't own the land.
Demanding rights of public land is also problematic. Israel can rent state land but the renters do not own the land and no right to remain there indefinably can be claimed.
Things are no so black and white.
............as for nations? there was no palestinian state or government before the mandate and the arabs rejected the formation of a palestinian state. Where is their right?
Dogmaphobe
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Of course, those Arabs who are descendants of those who did not take up active hostilities in 1947 have a right to keep living in Israel. I have never made the claim they don't.
It's those who are descendants of the murderous thugs who are inspired by genocidal antisemitism who don't.
It doesn't matter who they are "descendents of". As long as they haven't committed a crime - then just like anyone else they have a right to live where their families have lived for generations.
Dogmaphobe
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No they don't.
Descendants of murderous squatters have to right to that which belongs to others. They declared war. They lost. By what right do squatters who initiated a war have the right to that which they never owned in the first place?
jillian
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They aren't squatters.
jillian
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again with this nonsense?
they left.
they lost.
let me know when i get my great grandparents' properly in belarus then we'll talk.
til then, stop asking for things for terrorists that no group of people has ever gotten.
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