Franklin Roosevelt's Infatuation

[PoliticalChic]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

I love how you are trying to run from your previous posts about Katyn, and Roosevelt.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

 

[Correll]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

Possible policy responses were many.

From declaring the SU a Co-belligerent.

This would have made a lot of sense as our war aims were completely different.

We wanted to destroy Nazism and free their occupied nations.

The Soviets wanted to destroy Nazism and take their imperial possessions for themselves, including part of Germany. As was obvious from them entering the war as allies of Nazi Germany.

Lend Lease, the Second Front, all could have been tied to formal public treaties of Liberation with Governments in Exile.

And with proper spin in propaganda, the US public could have been prepared for possibly enforcing those promise.

Or we could have just let the Soviet die en mass until we were ready to invade on our time table and with the Soviet Nazi stop line somewhere is the Ukraine.

 

[Camp]

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

As usual, your prove you do not know your history, or more likely, depend on distorting it. The event in question took place in 1940, but the Germans did not get the word out about the discovery of the graves until late March and early April 1943. There is absolutely no hint of evidence that FDR knew about it before then. That is why you phrased your comment with "it is likely FDR knew". No, it was not likely and you are just making stuff up.

 

[Correll]

Here is a cool photo of soviet and nazi troops shaking hands after their joint invasion of Poland in 1939

I have read of a joint nazi -soviet parade in some Polish town, but have not found photos.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

As usual, your prove you do not know your history, or more likely, depend on distorting it. The event in question took place in 1940, but the Germans did not get the word out about the discovery of the graves until late March and early April 1943. There is absolutely no hint of evidence that FDR knew about it before then. That is way you phrased your comment with "it is likely FDR knew". No, it was not likely and you are just making stuff up.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

 

[Camp]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

I love how you are trying to run from your previous posts about Katyn, and Roosevelt.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

You are blowing a gasket not being able to answer the questions you have been challenged to answer. I see someone else giving it a shot. But even you know it doesn't hold up.
So, what would you have suggested FDR and the USA do when they got word of the massacre from the Nazi's that Stalin was responsible for this war atrocity?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here is a cool photo of soviet and nazi troops shaking hands after their joint invasion of Poland in 1939

I have read of a joint nazi -soviet parade in some Polish town, but have not found photos.

Excellent.

Do you have the link to that photo?

You can find archive pics of the troops together here:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

 

[Correll]

Wait, here we go.

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk on September 22, 1939

German and Soviet officers present at the parade: Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian(centre) and KombrigSemyon Krivoshein (right)

Rolling Soviet tanks and German motorcyclists.

German and Soviet personnel amid parade display material.


Yep. NO reason for FDR to be suspicious of Good Old Uncle Joe...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

I love how you are trying to run from your previous posts about Katyn, and Roosevelt.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

You are blowing a gasket not being able to answer the questions you have been challenged to answer. I see someone else giving it a shot. But even you know it doesn't hold up.
So, what would you have suggested FDR and the USA do when they got word of the massacre from the Nazi's that Stalin was responsible for this war atrocity?

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

 

[Correll]

Here is a cool photo of soviet and nazi troops shaking hands after their joint invasion of Poland in 1939

I have read of a joint nazi -soviet parade in some Polish town, but have not found photos.

Excellent.

Do you have the link to that photo?

You can find archive pics of the troops together here:

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

Just good ole Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland#Aftermath

 

[Camp]

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

As usual, your prove you do not know your history, or more likely, depend on distorting it. The event in question took place in 1940, but the Germans did not get the word out about the discovery of the graves until late March and early April 1943. There is absolutely no hint of evidence that FDR knew about it before then. That is way you phrased your comment with "it is likely FDR knew". No, it was not likely and you are just making stuff up.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

FDR was a great moral compass for the country and the world. You dared me. I have no problem saying that about the guy that America calls the Greatest Generation chose four times to elect as their President.
You have never proven any of your hateful malicious trash about FDR. That is a delusion of yours. A fantasy.

 

[gipper]

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

As usual, your prove you do not know your history, or more likely, depend on distorting it. The event in question took place in 1940, but the Germans did not get the word out about the discovery of the graves until late March and early April 1943. There is absolutely no hint of evidence that FDR knew about it before then. That is why you phrased your comment with "it is likely FDR knew". No, it was not likely and you are just making stuff up.

Okay...maybe FDR did not learn of the massacre until 1943, which I mistakenly insinuated he knew about in 1940...though his long love affair with Uncle Joe was so hot, could it be he learned of it in 1940 during their pillow talks?

 

[Syriusly]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

And you fucking American hating scumbags hate FDR for all that he accomplished for America.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

Lmao are you still trying to imply FDR policys are what created U.E. to go down to next to nothing in 45?



You forget they shot up in 1938 by 5%?

I am saying that FDR lead the United States from unemployment of 25% to 9% in 1940 to virtually zero unemployment in 1945.

And also introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

And led the United States to victory over Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

Which of those accomplishments do you think Americans regret?

 

[Syriusly]

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

As usual, your prove you do not know your history, or more likely, depend on distorting it. The event in question took place in 1940, but the Germans did not get the word out about the discovery of the graves until late March and early April 1943. There is absolutely no hint of evidence that FDR knew about it before then. That is why you phrased your comment with "it is likely FDR knew". No, it was not likely and you are just making stuff up.

Okay...maybe FDR did not learn of the massacre until 1943, which I mistakenly insinuated he knew about in 1940...though his long love affair with Uncle Joe was so hot, could it be he learned of it in 1940 during their pillow talks?

I am sure that FDR had as many pillow talks with Stalin as you did.

 

[Syriusly]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

I love how you are trying to run from your previous posts about Katyn, and Roosevelt.

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

I DARE YOU to post again, as you have before, that Franklin Roosevelt was 'the moral compass of America.'


"Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them."
You lying gutter rat.....
I DARE you to find any such post by me.

You are blowing a gasket not being able to answer the questions you have been challenged to answer. I see someone else giving it a shot. But even you know it doesn't hold up.
So, what would you have suggested FDR and the USA do when they got word of the massacre from the Nazi's that Stalin was responsible for this war atrocity?

Let's be clear, you disgusting little twerp:
I PROVED that Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of 22,000 Poles....
I PROVED that Roosevelt knew and covered it up

e.

You crack me up every time you claim to have proven anything.

 

[Syriusly]

Wait, here we go.

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk on September 22, 1939

German and Soviet officers present at the parade: Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian(centre) and KombrigSemyon Krivoshein (right)

Rolling Soviet tanks and German motorcyclists.

German and Soviet personnel amid parade display material.


Yep. NO reason for FDR to be suspicious of Good Old Uncle Joe...

And suspicious yes.

Would you have preferred FDR not assist the Soviets- not ally with the Soviets while the United States took on Japan and Germany?

Because I look at the outcome- and the United States still exists, Germany and Japan are our allies, and the Soviet Union no longer exists.

The United States emerged from World War 2 the most powerful nation in the world- and Americans began a period of our greatest prosperity.

What should we have changed?

 

[Syriusly]

You said or implied the allies had started the area bombardment strategy by bombing Berlin first. I am saying the tactic known as carpet bombing was first used by Germany.

The first British air raid on Berlin took place on 25 August 1940. It was a retaliation raid for the German raid on London on 23 August. The Germans opened that can of worms.

It was an oopser by the Germans but great for the allies, as they now had their justification to bomb German civilians, and they did so bomb.

Washington was a man of honor who understood that America ought not have one man holding office long enough to become a potential dictator. Every president after Washington had the sense of honor to follow his example, until the scumbag fdr came along. Only after that dishonest, power-mad, inhumane, racist, un-American SOB did we have to enshrine Washington's wisdom in a Constitutional Amendment. You are not doing your hero any favors with this line of reasoning.

Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that.

You need to make up your mind...are we commies or cons? Which is it?

You are so terribly confused.

Why would I think you are commies?
Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

You referred to us a commies several times in this thread. Now you post this...WTF?

Do you have dementia?

Do you have dementia? Or just poor reading comprehension? I have never called you a commie but it amuses me that you seem confused by my plain words

Why would I think you are commies?
Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

 

[regent]

FDR's New Deal's WPA also gave us 1000 miles of airport runways, 651,000 miles of highways 124,000 new bridges, 8,000 parks, TVA, 18,000 playgrounds, 41,300 schools and instead of a handout-- jobs. Then there was also the PWA, CCC and other agencies rebuilding America. One other little thing FDR inspired was the "March of Dimes" that led to the end of polio.

 

[Correll]

Wait, here we go.

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk on September 22, 1939

German and Soviet officers present at the parade: Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian(centre) and KombrigSemyon Krivoshein (right)

Rolling Soviet tanks and German motorcyclists.

German and Soviet personnel amid parade display material.


Yep. NO reason for FDR to be suspicious of Good Old Uncle Joe...

And suspicious yes.

Would you have preferred FDR not assist the Soviets- not ally with the Soviets while the United States took on Japan and Germany?

Because I look at the outcome- and the United States still exists, Germany and Japan are our allies, and the Soviet Union no longer exists.

The United States emerged from World War 2 the most powerful nation in the world- and Americans began a period of our greatest prosperity.

What should we have changed?

Thinking of the post war situation would a have been a reasonable expectation.


Negotiating somewhat tougher with Stalin would have been good too.

After all, the Soviet were the ones with millions of Nazi Troops roaming around inside their country.

In a normal negotiating that is the type of situation that is normally considered to give you a WEAK position, not one where you issue demands, such as Half of Europe.

Just saying.

 

[Correll]

FDR's New Deal's WPA also gave us 1000 miles of airport runways, 651,000 miles of highways 124,000 new bridges, 8,000 parks, TVA, 18,000 playgrounds, 41,300 schools and instead of a handout-- jobs. Then there was also the PWA, CCC and other agencies rebuilding America. One other little thing FDR inspired was the "March of Dimes" that led to the end of polio.

If you think that your economic sanctions are going to economically crush your enemy, should you not give consideration to possible escalation from them?

The FDR was so aggressive against the Japanese but did nothing to adopt a defensive stance militarily was somewhat of a fuckup that resulted in a serious military defeat.