Franklin Roosevelt's Infatuation

[gipper]

Of course he is correct...you are an apologist.....that covers your attempt to claim that FDR was not a dictator.

He certainly was.

In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the Roosevelt manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 65.


You should stick to your default position....'historians' tell you what to think and leave it at that.

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

1. "Still name calling I see,..."
Dunce is an accurate description of you, one who claims not to do any thinking, but relying on others to provide same.

Unless you'd care to deny that that is what you post with metronomic regularity.


2."As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph..."
Not true.
Or...you could certainly find the quote- as I give the link to same- and show that it was not what was being said.

See what I mean about you having become a liar as a defense against the truth.

Let me post your response for you Reggie.

Historians rate Stalin's Stooge one of our greatest presidents, so it must be so.

 

[regent]

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

1. "Still name calling I see,..."
Dunce is an accurate description of you, one who claims not to do any thinking, but relying on others to provide same.

Unless you'd care to deny that that is what you post with metronomic regularity.


2."As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph..."
Not true.
Or...you could certainly find the quote- as I give the link to same- and show that it was not what was being said.

See what I mean about you having become a liar as a defense against the truth.

Let me post your response for you Reggie.

Historians rate Stalin's Stooge one of our greatest presidents, so it must be so.

Now you're getting it. Using experts is one of the best ways to know and understand things. It's called education.

 

[Camp]

Of course he is correct...you are an apologist.....that covers your attempt to claim that FDR was not a dictator.

He certainly was.

In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the Roosevelt manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 65.


You should stick to your default position....'historians' tell you what to think and leave it at that.

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

 

[Unkotare]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

 

[Syriusly]

My facts tell me that civilian industrial targets were not allowed by the British until two days after the area bombings of Rotterdam by the Germans on 14 May 1940. My history also tells me the first bombing of Berlin consisted of dropping 8 bombs on 7 June 1940. Maybe we have different history books.

Do you deny massive aerial bombings of German and Japanese civilians during the war?

Do you deny that Hitler was successfully taking out UK armament sites and had not attacked London UNTIL Berlin had been hit by the allies?

You said or implied the allies had started the area bombardment strategy by bombing Berlin first. I am saying the tactic known as carpet bombing was first used by Germany.

The first British air raid on Berlin took place on 25 August 1940. It was a retaliation raid for the German raid on London on 23 August. The Germans opened that can of worms.

It was an oopser by the Germans but great for the allies, as they now had their justification to bomb German civilians, and they did so bomb.

You merely chose to ignore the facts...like an administration full of commies, actions deliberately intended to assist Stalin, economic policies that harmed millions of Americans and prolonged the Great Depression, imprisoning Americans for no reason, nearly expanding the Supreme Court to impose his will, imposing unconditional surrender terms prolonging the war leading to millions of additional deaths, claiming Hoover was an radical interventionists then intervening more, lying to Americans in 1940 when he proclaimed over and over that no american boys would fight in Europe while making plans for them to do just that, refusing to negotiate with Japan and imposing sanctions against them forcing them to war, ignoring the unwritten rule by Washington to two terms, running in 1944 while on his death bed and lying about it....and on and on it goes...but dunces still think him GREAT!

Well apparently the American people of his time thought so and were willing to violate an unwritten rule and elect FDR to a third term and then to a fourth term. They might still be electing FDR today if they could.
Who was on his death bed lying about running for another term, Washington or FDR?.......

Washington was a man of honor who understood that America ought not have one man holding office long enough to become a potential dictator. Every president after Washington had the sense of honor to follow his example, until the scumbag fdr came along. Only after that dishonest, power-mad, inhumane, racist, un-American SOB did we have to enshrine Washington's wisdom in a Constitutional Amendment. You are not doing your hero any favors with this line of reasoning.

Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that.

You need to make up your mind...are we commies or cons? Which is it?

You are so terribly confused.

Why would I think you are commies?
Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

 

[PoliticalChic]

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

But....but.....Roosevelt was the 'moral compass of America'....

I know it must be true 'cause some dunce told me so.


He couldn't be concerned about some ol' 22,000 human beings that his compatriot had strangled to death,,,,he was too busy being the 'moral compass of America'....


And he knew that Uncle Joe has million of Ukrainians starve to death to install collectivization,,,,and he shrugged 'cause that's what the 'moral compass of America' does.

And promoted spies in his administration when he found out that they worked for Soviet communism....'cause....well, you know.

 

[Syriusly]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

And you fucking American hating scumbags hate FDR for all that he accomplished for America.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

 

[Syriusly]

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

1. "Still name calling I see,..."
Dunce is an accurate description of you, one who claims not to do any thinking, but relying on others to provide same.

Unless you'd care to deny that that is what you post with metronomic regularity.


2."As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph..."
Not true.
Or...you could certainly find the quote- as I give the link to same- and show that it was not what was being said.

See what I mean about you having become a liar as a defense against the truth.

Let me post your response for you Reggie.

Historians rate Stalin's Stooge one of our greatest presidents, so it must be so.

Who to believe- the majority of American historians or a few bitter anonymous FDR haters on the internet?

Oh right- Americans believe the historians.

 

[Camp]

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

But....but.....Roosevelt was the 'moral compass of America'....

I know it must be true 'cause some dunce told me so.


He couldn't be concerned about some ol' 22,000 human beings that his compatriot had strangled to death,,,,he was too busy being the 'moral compass of America'....


And he knew that Uncle Joe has million of Ukrainians starve to death to install collectivization,,,,and he shrugged 'cause that's what the 'moral compass of America' does.

And promoted spies in his administration when he found out that they worked for Soviet communism....'cause....well, you know.

Predictably, PoliticalChic deflects and evades the questions and challenges given to her. She is pushing this rant about an atrocity of murdered Polish officers whose buried remains were allegedly found by the Nazi's and reported as a Russian atrocity when the bodies were discovered in Poland. The Germans blamed the Russians and the Russians blamed the Germans. PoliticalChic blames FDR. Makes no sense. The event had nothing to do with the USA. Apparently she thinks FDR should have sided with the Germans and fired Russia and quit WW II. All the stuff I listed going on during the month the bodies were discovered, all the victories and progress, months away from the invasions of Sicily, Italy, and southern France, the raging air war over Europe, retaking the Aleutians, and PoliticalChic thinks the American President should have injected himself into an argument between the Nazi's and Stalin. Because he didn't, she claims he had no moral compass and was an evil man who supported communism and was a Stalin dupe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

But....but.....Roosevelt was the 'moral compass of America'....

I know it must be true 'cause some dunce told me so.


He couldn't be concerned about some ol' 22,000 human beings that his compatriot had strangled to death,,,,he was too busy being the 'moral compass of America'....


And he knew that Uncle Joe has million of Ukrainians starve to death to install collectivization,,,,and he shrugged 'cause that's what the 'moral compass of America' does.

And promoted spies in his administration when he found out that they worked for Soviet communism....'cause....well, you know.

Predictably, PoliticalChic deflects and evades the questions and challenges given to her. She is pushing this rant about an atrocity of murdered Polish officers whose buried remains were allegedly found by the Nazi's and reported as a Russian atrocity when the bodies were discovered in Poland. The Germans blamed the Russians and the Russians blamed the Germans. PoliticalChic blames FDR. Makes no sense. The event had nothing to do with the USA. Apparently she thinks FDR should have sided with the Germans and fired Russia and quit WW II. All the stuff I listed going on during the month the bodies were discovered, all the victories and progress, months away from the invasions of Sicily, Italy, and southern France, the raging air war over Europe, retaking the Aleutians, and PoliticalChic thinks the American President should have injected himself into an argument between the Nazi's and Stalin. Because he didn't, she claims he had no moral compass and was an evil man who supported communism and was a Stalin dupe.

1. "She is pushing this rant about an atrocity of murdered Polish officers whose buried remains were allegedly found by the Nazi's and reported as a Russian atrocity when the bodies were discovered in Poland.

The Germans blamed the Russians and the Russians blamed the Germans."

Watch how swiftly I bury you:
....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime. Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


2. "PoliticalChic blames FDR. Makes no sense. The event had nothing to do with the USA. Apparently she thinks FDR should have sided with the Germans..."

FDR hid the truth.
He buried it.
He told the America public that Stalin fought for the same things as we did, while he was worse than Hitler.

a. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

b. On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.


And let's remind all what a hyper-partisan Roosevelt boot-licker you are: Roosevelt knew of the Terror Famine, the Katyn Forest Massacre, and other blood purges. by Stalin....and you claim he was 'the moral compass of America.'

Disgusting.

 

[Correll]

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

1. "Still name calling I see,..."
Dunce is an accurate description of you, one who claims not to do any thinking, but relying on others to provide same.

Unless you'd care to deny that that is what you post with metronomic regularity.


2."As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph..."
Not true.
Or...you could certainly find the quote- as I give the link to same- and show that it was not what was being said.

See what I mean about you having become a liar as a defense against the truth.

Let me post your response for you Reggie.

Historians rate Stalin's Stooge one of our greatest presidents, so it must be so.

Now you're getting it. Using experts is one of the best ways to know and understand things. It's called education.

Actually what you describe is the Logical Fallacy of Appeal to Authority.

 

[Correll]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

And you fucking American hating scumbags hate FDR for all that he accomplished for America.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

1. The Great Depression was not going to be permanent. It is debatable the FDR's policies did more that create the appearance of doing something about the problem.

2. THe US, once dragged into the war by a surprise attack was destined to win due to vast economic and geographical advantages.

3. With the vast industrial nation America was well before FDR and with nearly all other industrial nations bombed to rubble, it was inevitable that the US would be the greatest Industrial and military power on the planet.

4. GI bill a plus. Social Security has become a budget buster. Unemployment insurance horribly abused. Bank Deposit insurance good.

5. On the other hand, trusting Stalin to hold Free Elections in Eastern Europe and thus giving the Soviet Union half of Europe was madness that has never been fully explained.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

 

[gipper]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

And you fucking American hating scumbags hate FDR for all that he accomplished for America.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

DESPISING a lying traitorous president is NOT THE SAME THING AS HATING THE COUNTRY...YOU IDIOT. FDR IS NOT THE F-ING COUNTRY, YOU IDIOT. FDR WAS A LYING STINKING CORRUPT POLITICIAN.

YOU THINK AMERICANS MUST ADMIRE FDR, TO BE GOOD AMERICANS. ONLY A FOOL WOULD THINK THAT.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

1. "Still name calling I see,..."
Dunce is an accurate description of you, one who claims not to do any thinking, but relying on others to provide same.

Unless you'd care to deny that that is what you post with metronomic regularity.


2."As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph..."
Not true.
Or...you could certainly find the quote- as I give the link to same- and show that it was not what was being said.

See what I mean about you having become a liar as a defense against the truth.

Let me post your response for you Reggie.

Historians rate Stalin's Stooge one of our greatest presidents, so it must be so.

Now you're getting it. Using experts is one of the best ways to know and understand things. It's called education.

No.
It's far from education.

Simply accepting the word of those you are willing to call 'expert' is the height of cowardice. You're afraid to face the waves of contumely that would come from Roosevelt, Leftist, groupies......like yourself.


Educate is from e' ducare.....to lead out of....
You may have been led, but you certainly haven't been led out of ignorance.
You remain a prime example of indoctrination.

 

[gipper]

Historians tell me their version of history and I find it a little more accurate than the think-it -up-history as used by so many posters. A number of presidents have stretched the Constitution and future presidents will follow that same path. That's politics, or as Jackson said: the Supreme Court made it's decision let them enforce it.

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

 

[gipper]

Do you deny massive aerial bombings of German and Japanese civilians during the war?

Do you deny that Hitler was successfully taking out UK armament sites and had not attacked London UNTIL Berlin had been hit by the allies?

You said or implied the allies had started the area bombardment strategy by bombing Berlin first. I am saying the tactic known as carpet bombing was first used by Germany.

The first British air raid on Berlin took place on 25 August 1940. It was a retaliation raid for the German raid on London on 23 August. The Germans opened that can of worms.

It was an oopser by the Germans but great for the allies, as they now had their justification to bomb German civilians, and they did so bomb.

Well apparently the American people of his time thought so and were willing to violate an unwritten rule and elect FDR to a third term and then to a fourth term. They might still be electing FDR today if they could.
Who was on his death bed lying about running for another term, Washington or FDR?.......

Washington was a man of honor who understood that America ought not have one man holding office long enough to become a potential dictator. Every president after Washington had the sense of honor to follow his example, until the scumbag fdr came along. Only after that dishonest, power-mad, inhumane, racist, un-American SOB did we have to enshrine Washington's wisdom in a Constitutional Amendment. You are not doing your hero any favors with this line of reasoning.

Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that.

You need to make up your mind...are we commies or cons? Which is it?

You are so terribly confused.

Why would I think you are commies?
Personally, I think that policy of bombing civilians in WW2 was reprehensible.

And it was a policy that predates any American or British involvement in the war- the Japanese were bombing cities in China long before that and Germany started the trend in Europe when it bombed Warsaw- but it doesn't excuse American bombing of civilian areas either.

So Americans, Brits, Soviets, Japanese and Germans bombed civilians during WW2- easy enough to condemn them all.

And?

Does this make FDR exactly the same as Adolf Hitler? To hear the anti-FDR band post- yes it does.

Does this make America just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? To read the posts of PC and others they apparently think so.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

You referred to us a commies several times in this thread. Now you post this...WTF?

Do you have dementia?

 

[Camp]

Lest there be any doubt at all.....

"New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew

....many in Congress accusing the Roosevelt administration of covering up Soviet involvement in the grisly deed. Hearings were held, and a congressional committee eventually determined, in 1952, that Stalin’s Soviet Union had indeed been responsible, and that the Roosevelt administration had tried to cover up the episode out of military necessity. The Soviet Union under Gorbachev finally admitted responsibility for Katyn, but the White House has never acknowledged any inside knowledge or attempt to cover up the event.

Now,the verdict is in. With the September 10 release of 1,000 pages of formerly classified documents by the National Archives, it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that the Roosevelt administration knew of the atrocity perpetrated by “Uncle Joe” Stalin long before the war was over, and made sure the American public did not find out about it."
New Revelations on the Katyn Forest Massacre: Roosevelt Knew



Once again...I'm never wrong.

You still have not answered the question that has been repeatedly asked. You just focus on the massacre having occurred and the evidence you present that you claim indicated FDR knew the Russians committed the atrocity. What you refuse to address is the question of what you expect FDR to have done with this knowledge presented in the middle of World War ll. Rational and reasonable thinking would lead one to the logical conclusion that the only option was to ignore the event until the war was over and then to dispel justice. FDR died before those options for dispelling justice to the Germans or Russians occurred.
Again, what would you suggest FDR should have done and how should he have dealt with Russia in the middle of WWII? Are you proclaiming that FDR was wrong to put it on the back burner and instead should have canceled and backed away from being allied with Russia to defeat Germany?
The OP is seeking a backdoor into promoting her fantasy of the USA giving the Nazi's a conditional surrender because Stalin was a bad guy. Millions killed already in the war and the OP thinks it would have been good to forgive the Nazi's and become friends with them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you lying to cover your embarrassment at allowing others to do your thinking for you?

Is that the reason?

You know I never provide "think-it -up-history:"my posts are documented, linked and sourced.

They quote folks like Bullitt, Eisenhower, and Kennan, among others.

That's why you can never deny any of it.

You remain a dunce, and have moved into the category of liar.

Still name calling I see, well that's another thing we have to work on. Name calling does not add validity to a questionable post.
As to your documentation, I think one major flaw you might have is to quote a sentence or paragraph, and then build an entire case around those few words, giving us the author's meaning and ideas that just may not hold up in court.

Here are couple additional tidbits for you to cry about, regarding your beloved tyrant.
1. Are you aware of FDR's covert involvement with the Polish government prior to the German invasion? How he backed Poland's hard liners against Germany leading to WWII? Why would he do this?
2. Are you aware of FDR's knowledge of the Katyn Massacre? Do you know he knew Stalin did it, but went along with the Soviet version of events anyway?

Nice guy old FDR...the more one researches his actions, the more one realizes how overwhelming the evidence is that he was a disgusting asshole....well one must be able think objectively and logically...you obviously are incapable.

Let's remind all of Katyn....yet another of Stalin's atrocities that FDR had no trouble agreeing to.

1. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

a. April 13, 1943, Radio Berlin broadcasts the German discovery of twenty-two thousand corpses of Polish officers "executed by the NKVD when the Soviets held the territory, spring of 1940.

2. April 21, 1943, Stalin tells FDR that it was "German fascists" that massacred the helpless Polish officers. But...he fumed that his and FDR's ally, the Polish government in exile has the nerve to ask the International Red Cross to investigate the crime. Did you get that? Stalin was incensed that the Poles wanted the atrocity investigated.

a. The Red Cross said they would investigate....if all three parties- Germany, Poland, and the USSR agreed. Guess who refused. In fact, Pravda attacked the Poles as "Hitlerite lackeys" who would "go down in history as the helpmates of Cannibal Hitler."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History,"by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter, p. 64.


3. And FDR administration? "No big deal." In fact, the US Office of War Information broadcast exactly what Stalin wanted them to.

a. BTW....in 1990, the Soviets finally admitted that the Katyn Massacre was a Soviet Crime.
Katyn -- 1952 US Congressional findings (Страница 1) — English — Форумы сайта ПРАВДА О КАТЫНИ


4. So....what did FDR know, and when did he know it? "It wasn't only that all was forgiven by FDR; all was ignored."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 204.



reggie....what do your 'historians' tell you to think about Katyn?


BTW....Stalin had the 22 thousand killed so they could not resist communism after the war. It was exactly the same reason he demanded that FDR never allow Germany to surrender until it was "pasturized," and pulverized.



Now is the time for the other dunce, Camp, to rush in and claim FDR was the "moral compass of America."

There was little time for FDR to be concerned about an argument about who committed the atrocity in Poland. In the time frame being highlighted the battles in north Africa were still going on, the invasions for the southern front in Sicily, the Italian mainland, and southern France were being prepared and readied The battles on the eastern front were raging and the greatest and largest tank battle in world history at Kursk was in the making. The air war over Europe was raging also. B-17's with 10 man crews were being shot down by the scores but kept charging ahead, slowly devastating the Luftwaffe as it did. Eventually, that cost 26,000 airmen lives. In the Pacific US forces were taking back the Aleutian Islands that had been invaded and occupied by Japan, chasing down the leading Japanese General and shooting him out of the sky, etc., ect. All of this and more in the small time frame the OP has selected.
The question is, why would the US be concerned about whether the Germans or Russians committed this atrocity in Poland committed years before? What did it have, if anything to do with the events in the present or near future? The answer, nothing. If we believed the Nazi's, what were we supposed to do, scold Stalin. Stop everything and quit the war?

Damn.

The Katyn Massacre occurred in Spring 1940 and it is likely FDR knew who perpetrated it shortly thereafter. We were not yet involved in FDR's War in Spring 1940.

So in effect, your post is utterly and completely inaccurate. Why are you a toady for a lying corrupt politician?

They just lie, and lie.

Roosevelt did everything to back Stalin....including pressuring the Poles in exile to not pursue the issue.

"All along Stalin was intent on installing his Polish creatures based in Lublin as a postwar communist government. The Polish government in exile in London, by contrast, wanted to investigate the Katyn massacres. Roosevelt's response? "I am inclined to think that Prime Minister Churchill will find a way of prevailing upon the Polish government in London in the future to act with more common sense,"

he wrote to Stalin,...
The Katyn Massacre Cover-Up


Clearly, Roosevelt wanted a pat on his head from Stalin.

 

[Wyatt earp]

These fdr scumbag apologists are beyond fucking shameless.

And you fucking American hating scumbags hate FDR for all that he accomplished for America.

But for those of us who believe in America- FDR was an extraordinary president.

He led the United States from 25% unemployment to virtually zero. He led the United States to victory over Japan and Germany and to being greatest military power in the world, along with the greatest industrial power in the world.

He introduced the GI Bill, social security, unemployment insurance and bank depositors insurance- giving Americans protection that they had never had before.

Of course Conservatives hate FDR for all of that

Lmao are you still trying to imply FDR policys are what created U.E. to go down to next to nothing in 45?



You forget they shot up in 1938 by 5%?