Fox reporter asks Trump about detention time at Alligator Alcatraz----crickets from the right

[Nuthin' Fancy]

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Arizona man dies after attempting to take Trump ...​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › world › mar › coronavi...
Mar 24, 2020 — Wife survives after couple in their 60s ingested chloroquine phosphate, which Trump falsely claimed was approved to treat coronavirus.

 

[cnm]

Democrat's campaign against Trump and the American people are gotcha sound bites.

Like showing Chump's whole answer to a question, those sorts of sound bite gotchas?

 

[cnm]

They are given due process.

If they've applied for asylum, this process is due them as the supreme law of the land in the USA...

What rights do refugees have under the 1951 Convention? ​

The cornerstone of the 1951 Convention is the principle of non-refoulement contained in Article 33. According to this principle, a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.​

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Other rights contained in the 1951 Convention include:​

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• The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32)
• The right not to be punished for irregular entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31)
• The right to non-discrimination (Articles 3 and 5)
• The right to decent work (Articles 17 to 19 and 24)
• The right to housing, land and property, including intellectual property (Articles 13, 14 and 21)
• The right to education (Article 22)
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4)
• The right to access to justice (Article 16)
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26 and Article 31 (2))
• The right to be issued civil, identity and travel documents (Articles 12, 27 and 28)
• The right to social protection (Articles 23 and 24 (2-4)).

https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/1951-refugee-convention

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[cnm]

Article 1 of the constitution requires the census count all people present in the country, independent of status.

Which was the desired outcome by the left, gene.

The left that wrote the US constitution?

Yeah, right.

You guys are in a fever panic now that you've managed to catch the bus you've been chasing.

 

[cnm]

100% of them are criminals, they’re here illegally.

Not if they are a refugee, especially after they've applied for asylum. That whole 'supreme law of the land' of the US thing.

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What is the definition of a refugee? ​

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Article 1 of the 1951 Convention defines a refugee as someone who "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of [their] nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail [themself] of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of [their] former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."​

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Regional refugee instruments complement the 1951 Convention and have built upon its definition, by referencing a number of ‘objective’ circumstances compelling refugees to flee their countries of origin. For example, the definition outlined in the 1969 OAU (Organization of African Unity) Refugee Convention includes ‘external aggression, occupation, foreign domination or events seriously disturbing public order’ (Article 1 (2)). The 1984 Cartagena Declaration includes ‘generalized violence, foreign aggression, internal conflicts, massive violations of human rights or other circumstances which have seriously disturbed public order’ (paragraph III (3)).​

https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/1951-refugee-convention

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edit...Of course it's the US that was a major part of destabilising their countries with the help of Raygun's 'School of the Americas' training in nun raping.

Somewhat ironic if irony was still a thing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We have no jurisdiction over US citizens in Mexico.
Similar to what Trump said about Abrego Garcia, we can't force a foreign country to do anything.

Unless you think jurisdiction can be carried out by the equivalent of writing a letter to Santa Claus.

Abrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador IN El Salvador. He was never an American citizen in El Salvador.

We absolutely do have jurisdiction of Americans in foreign countries. We don't have jurisdiction over foreign countries and their treatment of Americans. If you think that the American government has no jurisdiction over Americans in foreign countries, see how loudly they squeal when a passport is canceled.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[cnm]

We absolutely do have jurisdiction of Americans in foreign countries.

As do those foreign countries have jurisdiction over Americans in their territory apart from diplomats. Just like America has jurisdiction over foreigners in its territories.

 

[Nostra]

TDS^n:

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^Now this is nuthin fancy.

Trump

That right there is birth control on steroids.

YIKES!

 

[Edgetho]

That right there is birth control on steroids.

YIKES!

If a super-powerful Alien civiization saw those pictures and believed them to be representative of the Human Species, they would eradicate us to the last.

And I would really blame them

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As do those foreign countries have jurisdiction over Americans in their territory apart from diplomats. Just like America has jurisdiction over foreigners in its territories.

And foreign countries have jurisdiction over their citizens who are in the United States. If here illegally deport them and their childrenl

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That right there is birth control on steroids.

YIKES!

Which one is you, Q-NUT?

 

[Ropey]

It's very clear.

The left have lost it all.

 

[meaner gene]

Illegals are not legal and there's no support for illegals in the constitution so Trump executive orders will be codified in the midterms if the R's.

I just showed you how the 14th amendment covered foreigners illegally in the country. It applied to the tens of thousands of people that cartels illegally smuggled into the country in violation of federal law.

 

[meaner gene]

And foreign countries have jurisdiction over their citizens who are in the United States. If here illegally deport them and their childrenl

Countries have and exercise jurisdiction over everybody within their borders, with a few exceptions.
Diplomats and their families, and invading armies.
Note: the country has jurisdiction over POW's, deserters, refugees, and spies.

 

[meaner gene]

We absolutely do have jurisdiction of Americans in foreign countries. We don't have jurisdiction over foreign countries and their treatment of Americans. If you think that the American government has no jurisdiction over Americans in foreign countries, see how loudly they squeal when a passport is canceled.

Do you even know what you're talking about when you say jurisdiction?

Jurisdiction, Territorial Sovereignty, and the Fourteenth Amendment

A long line of authority holds that persons or things within a country’s territorial borders are subject to its jurisdiction.

www.justsecurity.org

those cases interpreting the phrase “within its jurisdiction” from the Equal Protection Clause[2]—do not stand alone. A long line of authority holds that persons or things within a country’s territorial borders are subject to its jurisdiction.

at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification, a nation’s territorial jurisdiction was the baseline, subject to only a few narrow, established exceptions. See Schooner Exchange v. McFadden, 11 U.S. 116, 136 (1812) (Marshall, CJ) (“The jurisdiction of the nation within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute. It is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by itself.”). This understanding of territorial sovereignty—that a nation’s jurisdiction at a minimum extends over people, property, and things within its borders—has remained thoroughly consistent over time.

 

[Ropey]

Countries have and exercise jurisdiction over everybody within their borders, with a few exceptions.

And that's what is happening.

Diplomats and their families, and invading armies.

And invading illegal aliens. Glad you see it.

Note: the country has jurisdiction over POW's, deserters, refugees, and spies.

Criminal Aliens? "They All Have To Go."

Maybe some for of "Farmer Parole" ...

MAGA

And it's all going grand.

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.

And it's all going grand.

You've been getting you ass kicked by legal citations.of the US supreme court.

 

[meaner gene]

Even the conservative US supreme court, has a catch-22.
If they exclude illegal aliens from the 14th for lack of jurisdiction, they effectively say that the immigration courts and ICE have no jurisdiction to deport them.

 

[Ropey]

^You're a loony.

Keep believing fantasy, old man.