Again, name me one current Democrat that isn't a liberal.
Didn't we just do this in another thread? Or was that somebody else?
A Liberal may be a Democrat, a Republican or like me have no party affiliation. Ideologies are not parties.
An ideology is a philosophical belief. It's firm and fixed. A party is a machine to attain power. It's mutable and will accomodate as much diversity of belief as it can get away with. That's why you have, say, Susan Collins and Sarah Palin and Jon Huntsman and David Duke in the same party. Doesn't make them the same ideology.
That wasn't the question and had nothing to do with the question. Note you're the second liberal in the discussion who had to use the Republican party to show people who have different ideologies in the same party. I know there are different ideologies in the Republican party. They have socons, neocons, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, ...
The point is that Democrats are monolithic, you're authoritarian leftists who agree on every position. You call yourselves liberals, progressives, moderates and like different words, but they are in the Democratic party a distinction without a difference.
So how do you guys disagree with Bill Beckel exactly who is on FoxNews agreeing with the Democrats in every discussion just like you do? Put up some content. You call yourselves liberals, but you're not, libertarians are liberals. We believe in freedom, individuality and choice. The people who call themselves liberals are rigidly intolerant and demand government force to impose their will. There is nothing liberal about you. Words mean nothing without the content to back them up.
Oh androgynous self-back-patting poster please. It's not even your question. I can't remember who it was but somebody posed me the exact same question just a couple of days ago and I didn't wish to reinvent the wheel.
Your first paragraph is completely agreeing with my point; that political parties are machines designed to acquire power, and not houses of holy ideology. They will bend and morph and stretch their own purported 'ideals' as far as they can in pursuit of that power. Why is the Republican Party off limits to illustrate that?
OK, take an example from the other side, the Democratic Party that chugged along in its own intentionally blind bipolarity for a hundred years until the mid-20th century turning a blind eye to its ultraconservatve wing, the one populated by (Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, David Duke et al), floating on a sea of duplicity for the sake of attaining and retaining power. Once again as before -- one party, multiple ideologies.
Whichever.
The point was, "Liberal" doesn't mean left or right; it's in conflict with both. Demagogues like Joe McCarthy and the whole "red scare" national groupthink exercise -- and four decades later Lee Atwater (his script obediently read by good-robot candidate George H.W. Bush) exhorted us to conflate the word "liberal" with "leftist". If you take your cues from partisan hacks like Lee Atwater you're going to keep ending up in this kind of a rhetorical hole.
Oh wait, you're the same guy/gal/guess who just typed "liberal media" three times in a row in an attempt to get it to stick, so you're already in the hole....
Democrats are anything but "monolithic" (see above). That's what Will Rogers meant when he said, "I belong to no organized political party; I am a Democrat". Eighty years ago. Had that not been based in truth it would never work as humor.
"How do you guys disagree with Bill Beckel exactly?" Damned if I know; I don't follow Bob ("Bobby") Beckel (teen idol), and I keep looking around and standing in a mirror and while I may be slightly overweight I stil cannot be described as "you guys". I don't know what the **** his positions are, and unless he's running for some office that affects me, I don't care. I hold my own positions to be self-evident. That you can't take my points on their own is your failing, not mine.
You've gotta get over this crutch where you can only think in broad brush groupthink generalizations. I am not a member of any organized or disorganized political party. And that's intentional. So your second-person plural pronouns are an glaring example of that crutch. Continue speaking as if addressing some kind of monolith, and you'll be monolithically ignored as a crank.
