'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice

[westwall]

Total and complete lying bullshit, Ian. And you know it.

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Letter to world leaders;

I write to you on behalf of the Arctic Methane Emergency Group, which includes among its founding members Peter Wadhams, Professor of Ocean Physics, Cambridge; Stephen Salter, Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design, Edinburgh; and Brian Orr, former Principal Science Officer at the UK DoE (as was). The Group has received support and advice from many pre-eminent climate science colleagues around the world. The purpose of this letter is to respectfully bring to your attention new evidence of the rapidly deepening climate change crisis in the Arctic. We appeal to you to support our call to put the imminent loss of Arctic summer sea ice and escalation of Arctic methane emissions at the top of the climate change agenda and to support emergency measures to cool the Arctic.

The articles in the peer reviewed journals will be out this spring. That is just about as fast as science can be done.

In the meantime there is much being communicated to those who have power. But you can celebrate, nothing will be done.

As I have stated before, you fellows have won. We get to see what an adrupt climate change will do to our present civiliazation. Going to be interesting.

"We write to the world leaders to please please please give us loads of money so we can continue to live in the manner to which we have grown accustomed even though we haven't produced one usable bit of technology for the hundred billion plus taxpayer dollars that has been given to us."

Now Walleyes, you continue to be a lying bastard. The money spent on Arctic research reachs the billion mark only when you include satellites.

And people like Mr. H would be getting more money than any of the scientists for they are the people that would be doing the very difficult work involved there. That is, were anyone to listen.

People like you will prevail, nothing will be done, either to try to prevent the continueing melt, or to deal with the consequences.

But, what the hell, you won't have to deal with it, and who cares what your children and grandchildren have to deal with. You got yours.

No, you toffeynosed maloderous pervert, the total amount given to the AGW cult is well over 100 billion dollars over the last 20 years and they HAVE PRODUCED NOTHING OF VALUE TO HUMANITY. Not one damned thing! Based on that metric alone they are abject failures as are you you sanctimonious twerp. When you give up working for EVRAZ and the notoriously polluting industry you have sold you soul to you can come back and speak about pollution.

But while you are a proximal cause of said pollution you can go pound sand.

 

[Old Rocks]

"We write to the world leaders to please please please give us loads of money so we can continue to live in the manner to which we have grown accustomed even though we haven't produced one usable bit of technology for the hundred billion plus taxpayer dollars that has been given to us."

Now Walleyes, you continue to be a lying bastard. The money spent on Arctic research reachs the billion mark only when you include satellites.

And people like Mr. H would be getting more money than any of the scientists for they are the people that would be doing the very difficult work involved there. That is, were anyone to listen.

People like you will prevail, nothing will be done, either to try to prevent the continueing melt, or to deal with the consequences.

But, what the hell, you won't have to deal with it, and who cares what your children and grandchildren have to deal with. You got yours.

No, you toffeynosed maloderous pervert, the total amount given to the AGW cult is well over 100 billion dollars over the last 20 years and they HAVE PRODUCED NOTHING OF VALUE TO HUMANITY. Not one damned thing! Based on that metric alone they are abject failures as are you you sanctimonious twerp. When you give up working for EVRAZ and the notoriously polluting industry you have sold you soul to you can come back and speak about pollution.

But while you are a proximal cause of said pollution you can go pound sand.

Now Walleyes, just because you cannot argue logically, nor produce any evidence for your arguements, is hardly reason to totally lose your cool.

For someone that is supposed to be a geologist, but misplaces a continent from the south pole to the equator, I would be researching a bit before you post your normal nonsense.

 

[saveliberty]

We did a peer review Old Rocks. You don't want to know the results.

 

[westwall]

Now Walleyes, you continue to be a lying bastard. The money spent on Arctic research reachs the billion mark only when you include satellites.

And people like Mr. H would be getting more money than any of the scientists for they are the people that would be doing the very difficult work involved there. That is, were anyone to listen.

People like you will prevail, nothing will be done, either to try to prevent the continueing melt, or to deal with the consequences.

But, what the hell, you won't have to deal with it, and who cares what your children and grandchildren have to deal with. You got yours.

No, you toffeynosed maloderous pervert, the total amount given to the AGW cult is well over 100 billion dollars over the last 20 years and they HAVE PRODUCED NOTHING OF VALUE TO HUMANITY. Not one damned thing! Based on that metric alone they are abject failures as are you you sanctimonious twerp. When you give up working for EVRAZ and the notoriously polluting industry you have sold you soul to you can come back and speak about pollution.

But while you are a proximal cause of said pollution you can go pound sand.

Now Walleyes, just because you cannot argue logically, nor produce any evidence for your arguements, is hardly reason to totally lose your cool.

For someone that is supposed to be a geologist, but misplaces a continent from the south pole to the equator, I would be researching a bit before you post your normal nonsense.

Yeah I missed that one by a few degree's didn't I. But, when you don't look at the stuff for twenty years, that sort of thing happens. As far as the rest, show us one thing that the alarmists have produced for humanity. Go ahead, I dare you.

 

[saveliberty]

Hand pump hair spray?

Something to write on t shirts?

A large carbon footprint in worthless reports?

Second career for Al Gore?

Boosted the sales of survivalist books and guns?

Diverted funds that might have cured diseases?

Gosh, this is a rather long list.

 

[bripat9643]

Hand pump hair spray?

Something to write on t shirts?

A large carbon footprint in worthless reports?

Second career for Al Gore?

Boosted the sales of survivalist books and guns?

Diverted funds that might have cured diseases?

Gosh, this is a rather long list.

Higher prices for electricity.

Higher taxes to pay for "green energy."

auto maker bailouts so Detroit can build Obama electric cars.

More highway deaths due to lighter cars that are less safe.

The disappearance of the cheap top-loading washer.

The end of the incandescent light bulb.

Power black outs.

 

[westwall]

Hand pump hair spray?

Something to write on t shirts?

A large carbon footprint in worthless reports?

Second career for Al Gore?

Boosted the sales of survivalist books and guns?

Diverted funds that might have cured diseases?

Gosh, this is a rather long list.

Ummmm, I said benefited HUMANITY! Not the con men Jeez, is it so hard!

 

[IanC]

why didnt all the methane come out during the Medieval Warm Period? the permafrost melted then. surely no one is saying that all this methane has built up in the last thousand years. why didnt the MWP cause a tipping point? or the Roman Warm Period?

it is a sad joke that the doomsday prophets always get a certain portion of the population to believe them no matter how often they are found to be wrong. unfortunately this doomsday scenario has gone beyond the usual shelf life because it has been profitable for a great many people, and it can be directly blamed on humanity.

 

[saveliberty]

Suppose they'll claim global warming if the Arctic spouts a chocolate fountain?

 

[Old Rocks]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

 

[saveliberty]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

Consult your nearest manipulated data graph.

 

[bripat9643]

why didnt all the methane come out during the Medieval Warm Period? the permafrost melted then. surely no one is saying that all this methane has built up in the last thousand years. why didnt the MWP cause a tipping point? or the Roman Warm Period?

it is a sad joke that the doomsday prophets always get a certain portion of the population to believe them no matter how often they are found to be wrong. unfortunately this doomsday scenario has gone beyond the usual shelf life because it has been profitable for a great many people, and it can be directly blamed on humanity.

Ya know, the funny part about all their blather concerning receding glaciers is that in many of these glacial valleys they are finding evidence of human occupation where the glacier once stood. That kind of blows a hole in their theory that it's never been warmer than today.

 

[westwall]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

Wrong as usual.

 

[westwall]

why didnt all the methane come out during the Medieval Warm Period? the permafrost melted then. surely no one is saying that all this methane has built up in the last thousand years. why didnt the MWP cause a tipping point? or the Roman Warm Period?

it is a sad joke that the doomsday prophets always get a certain portion of the population to believe them no matter how often they are found to be wrong. unfortunately this doomsday scenario has gone beyond the usual shelf life because it has been profitable for a great many people, and it can be directly blamed on humanity.

Ya know, the funny part about all their blather concerning receding glaciers is that in many of these glacial valleys they are finding evidence of human occupation where the glacier once stood. That kind of blows a hole in their theory that it's never been warmer than today.

Oh no it doesn't! Facts do not matter!

 

[PrometheusBound]

An exciting book to read on this is Fire Ice, by Clive Cussler.

 

[IanC]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

I think it is a coin flip whether the present or the MWP is warmer. what isnt in doubt is that they are both very close to the same temp. without Mann's bogus hockey stick graph, and the downstream efforts to prop it up using the same distorted methods and data, there wouldnt even be a discussion of which was warmer.

if methane release was going to cause some tipping point, it would have done so during some previous warm period.

 

[Old Rocks]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

I think it is a coin flip whether the present or the MWP is warmer. what isnt in doubt is that they are both very close to the same temp. without Mann's bogus hockey stick graph, and the downstream efforts to prop it up using the same distorted methods and data, there wouldnt even be a discussion of which was warmer.

if methane release was going to cause some tipping point, it would have done so during some previous warm period.

It is no longer just Mann's hockey stick graph. There are about a dozen differant studies, and they all come out the same. A very lumpy hockey stick, but a hockey stick, none the less.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v441/n7097/full/4411032a.html

But it criticizes the way the controversial climate result was used.

It's probably the most politicized graph in science — an icon of the case for climate change to some, and of flawed science in the service of that case to others — and it has coloured the climate-change debate for nearly a decade. Now the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has weighed in with a report on the ‘hockey-stick’ plot, which it hopes will finally lay the controversy to rest.


The Hockey Stick is Accurate « Oxford Kevin

The Hockey Stick graph along with 12 other Temperature reconstructions from IPCC Fourth Assessment Report

The paper “Robustness of the Mann, Bradley, Hughes reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere surface temperatures: Examination of criticisms based on the nature and processing of proxy climate evidence” by Wahl and Ammann assesses the results of the MBH98 by using principal component analysis in the appropriate way. Wahl and Ammann also looked at the impact of removing the Bristlecone and Foxtail Pine proxy data which McIntyre and McKitrick had criticized the use of in both MBH98 and MBH99. They published the results of their work and you can see the impact that this had on the shape of the Hockey Stick in the graph below.

Seems to me what is bogus here is your continued prevarication concerning the hockey stick graph.

 

[saveliberty]

They all had the same manipulated data to work from Old Rocks. You are truly a broken record.

 

[westwall]

Because the MWP was nowhere near as warm as we are right now.

I think it is a coin flip whether the present or the MWP is warmer. what isnt in doubt is that they are both very close to the same temp. without Mann's bogus hockey stick graph, and the downstream efforts to prop it up using the same distorted methods and data, there wouldnt even be a discussion of which was warmer.

if methane release was going to cause some tipping point, it would have done so during some previous warm period.

It is no longer just Mann's hockey stick graph. There are about a dozen differant studies, and they all come out the same. A very lumpy hockey stick, but a hockey stick, none the less.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v441/n7097/full/4411032a.html

But it criticizes the way the controversial climate result was used.

It's probably the most politicized graph in science — an icon of the case for climate change to some, and of flawed science in the service of that case to others — and it has coloured the climate-change debate for nearly a decade. Now the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has weighed in with a report on the ‘hockey-stick’ plot, which it hopes will finally lay the controversy to rest.


The Hockey Stick is Accurate « Oxford Kevin

The Hockey Stick graph along with 12 other Temperature reconstructions from IPCC Fourth Assessment Report

The paper “Robustness of the Mann, Bradley, Hughes reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere surface temperatures: Examination of criticisms based on the nature and processing of proxy climate evidence” by Wahl and Ammann assesses the results of the MBH98 by using principal component analysis in the appropriate way. Wahl and Ammann also looked at the impact of removing the Bristlecone and Foxtail Pine proxy data which McIntyre and McKitrick had criticized the use of in both MBH98 and MBH99. They published the results of their work and you can see the impact that this had on the shape of the Hockey Stick in the graph below.

Seems to me what is bogus here is your continued prevarication concerning the hockey stick graph.

Well of course they did olfraud. When they are all based off of the same damned tree you kind of limit your data sets. Jeez, I thought you were smart.

 

[bripat9643]

They all had the same manipulated data to work from Old Rocks. You are truly a broken record.

Not only that, but they all also used some variation of Mann's discredited Principle Component Analysis scam to combine the data.