CDZ For what reason are kids having to learn about slavery ??

[Leo123]

People are inherently cheap and want to get the most out of labor for the absolute least pay. Call it a sin....

Nothing wrong with that, one wants the cheapest expenses when running a business because the viability of the business is dependent upon income vs. expenses. Money is not moral.

Peddling cheap products is one thing, but peddling cheap labor or abusing humans is something altogether different. It is sin.

Of course it is and that’s my point

 

[Unkotare]

How do current events qualify as history ?
How can you teach the Civil War without teaching about slavery ?
How can you understand the US without teaching about slavery ?

The only reasons against it appear to be political and based in ignorance as nobody has taken the trouble to find out what is being taught.
Surely you dont want to brush it under the carpet ?

. We are talking about age appropriate, and how to teach history without it causing damage or fomenting white guilt, black hatred etc.

It can be done, and it would be the next step in the healing process in which should have been healed already, but here this country still is being stupid about how to have history, but not to further the ill affects of it upon the children. Why is it right to burden every generation with the guilt of the past, otherwise as if it can't ever be healed never ??

Children have learned about slavery for 150 years

Why are today's children so sensitive ?

. It's the way in which it is being taught, and who benefits from it today once the results have been engrained into the very being of the next set of guinea pig's (generations saddled with the guilt), who had to drink from the poisonous hands in which were feeding them these things at to young an age for a desired effect to take place in the future. It is that these chains will not be held around the necks of our children forever, and it will be that future generations of black youth won't think that they have got to work their way out from under the weight of it all forever.

Sounds like a serious guilt issue

. Care to add something of worth or you got nothing but ignorance to add to this thread ?

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[Leo123]

For what reason are kids having to learn about slavery ??

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To carry on the tradition?

To avoid repeating it.

. Well then don't repeat it.

Don’t repeat what ?

 

[Unkotare]

Their leaders justify it in some manner which is palatable...

Lincoln didn't justify it. Even though he owned slaves. Understanding why people may do the things they do is not tantamount to you being brainwashed by them....Unless, of course, you are prone to brainwashing.

Lincoln didn’t own slaves.

You are correct. I stand corrected.

Lincoln WAS a slave at one point.

. How so ?

As a young man, Lincoln's father would 'rent' him out for labor that Abraham was not paid for.

 

[Faun]

From where do you come up with this stuff. Denying the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Nazi Germany and Hitler’s rise to power are taught in schools there...

Teaching Nazi Past to German Youth

. Yes, and it's taught in Germany in ways to teach the future generations of Germans that Hitler and the Nazi's were purdy much devil's, so I ask is this the same result desired in America against white people ??

Were those who owned other human beings as beasts of burden Devils?

. Their character at the time was, and unfortunately they were white for the most part in the American history books, but to cast that burden upon the white youth of today is just as evil as it was to slave a man back then.

What "burden" is there?

White kids have known about slavery for 150 years ( and longer)

. Oh white kids knew eh ? Not my granddaughter until she came home saying she was going to learn about it. Up until this point she knew nothing about it. Wish it could have remained that way. At least till she was 14 15 maybe.

So why didn’t you teach her yourself? Then you could have shaped her knowledge of it any way you wanted.

 

[Likkmee]

They should only teach it at Wast Point. Advanced Human Resources.

 

[beagle9]

Why do we think that God wanted not for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge ? It was because they would then know of all things good and evil.

Once the innocence of their minds were cracked, then the great burden of knowledge of all things would begin.

Keeping our children/grandchildren innocent and morally sound, and grounded as long as possible is a good thing. The earlier their minds are cracked could result in a bad thing, as it places a heavy burden upon their minds and souls.

If try to bend the branches of an oak tree once it has grown up enough, then it's not so easy because (they might spring back nearly taking your head off as an oak limb would do when stretched to far into a direction not suited for it to go). Our youth are to be protected in so that their foundations stay strong, and this way the evil wind can't destroy them when it shows up huffing and puffing.

 

[beagle9]

. Yes, and it's taught in Germany in ways to teach the future generations of Germans that Hitler and the Nazi's were purdy much devil's, so I ask is this the same result desired in America against white people ??

Were those who owned other human beings as beasts of burden Devils?

. Their character at the time was, and unfortunately they were white for the most part in the American history books, but to cast that burden upon the white youth of today is just as evil as it was to slave a man back then.

What "burden" is there?

White kids have known about slavery for 150 years ( and longer)

. Oh white kids knew eh ? Not my granddaughter until she came home saying she was going to learn about it. Up until this point she knew nothing about it. Wish it could have remained that way. At least till she was 14 15 maybe.

So why didn’t you teach her yourself? Then you could have shaped her knowledge of it any way you wanted.

. Well, as it is, there will be the counter teaching if needed, but only if what is being taught is being taught wrong. I was just saddened that my innocent grand child was growing up in this evil world, and has to learn these things in which she was innocent of until now. Complex issues for sure.

 

[Toronado3800]

Why do we think that God wanted not for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge ? It was because they would then know of all things good and evil.

Once the innocence of their minds were cracked, then the great burden of knowledge of all things would begin.

Keeping our children/grandchildren innocent and morally sound, and grounded as long as possible is a good thing. The earlier their minds are cracked could result in a bad thing, as it places a heavy burden upon their minds and souls.

If try to bend the branches of an oak tree once it has grown up enough, then it's not so easy because (they might spring back nearly taking your head off as an oak limb would do when stretched to far into a direction not suited for it to go). Our youth are to be protected in so that their foundations stay strong, and this way the evil wind can't destroy them when it shows up huffing and puffing.

Man, if u want to say delay education until 6th grade or even high school we may have room to negotiate. The rest is just fables and horticultural analogies applied to beings with brains.

You bring up this big government nanny problem also in that "who is going to decide what should be learned"? Me, you, the school board? Donald Trump? Stalin? North Korea's new dictator? The Pope?

Then consider the problem of keeping the knowlege out of their heads if it is not taught. Guess we gotta shut down Wikipedia and the rest of the nets. We can ask China and North Korea how. Even then the information is going to sneak in

I am soo far from om board with this one.

 

[beagle9]

Why do we think that God wanted not for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge ? It was because they would then know of all things good and evil.

Once the innocence of their minds were cracked, then the great burden of knowledge of all things would begin.

Keeping our children/grandchildren innocent and morally sound, and grounded as long as possible is a good thing. The earlier their minds are cracked could result in a bad thing, as it places a heavy burden upon their minds and souls.

If try to bend the branches of an oak tree once it has grown up enough, then it's not so easy because (they might spring back nearly taking your head off as an oak limb would do when stretched to far into a direction not suited for it to go). Our youth are to be protected in so that their foundations stay strong, and this way the evil wind can't destroy them when it shows up huffing and puffing.

Man, if u want to say delay education until 6th grade or even high school we may have room to negotiate. The rest is just fables and horticultural analogies applied to beings with brains.

You bring up this big government nanny problem also in that "who is going to decide what should be learned"? Me, you, the school board? Donald Trump? Stalin? North Korea's new dictator? The Pope?

Then consider the problem of keeping the knowlege out of their heads if it is not taught. Guess we gotta shut down Wikipedia and the rest of the nets. We can ask China and North Korea how. Even then the information is going to sneak in

I am soo far from om board with this one.

. Well, you're asking of those for whom you listed above (minus Trump), is obviously very telling about where your loyalties lay, because their way of thinking is exactly what got this nation into the very state of affairs it is in now. So they would just give you the answers upon what you want to hear, but not the answers that are rooted in realities on the ground.

We are digging ourselves out of the holes now, but the resistance is strong. Those trying to stay inside our children's heads is a big problem these days. Undoubtedly it is figured that our children are now the path of least resistance for the liberal agenda, so it's figured by the left to just try and retrain them once they come to school eh ?? Nice little communist teaching, nice.

Sadly you want to go all chicken little in your response above, but that is understood because undoubtedly it's in your DNA to fight the changes that are truly needed in this country.. Otherwise is it that you supported the changes that were not right for all American's over the years, but if Obama spoke then it was like the waters
parted, and you all just stood there in amazement ??

 

[Syriusly]

For what reason are kids having to learn about slavery ??

Because it's part of our history.

Exposing young children to horrendous acts or events in history, and at to young of an age is the ultimate hight of irresponsibility, and it should stop immediately..

So you think that:
a) German kids shouldn't be taught about Nazi's and World War 2 and
b) American kids shouldn't be taught about slavery and....World War 2, or World War 1, or the Civil War.....and what else do you want to ensure our children never learn about?

. No, not sure what goes on in German schools, but if it is taught then I gave my opinion on why. Then I ask is the same reasoning behind the teaching that goes on here ??? Are whites looked upon like the Nazi's and Hitler by certain groups, and when these groups have power then they try to take vengence out on the whites here through every means available, including weaponizing history ??

Who are you asking this question of? You started this thread.

Who do you imagine is teaching the kids to consider all whites today- in the same way that most rational people look at the Nazi's of World War 2?

American children are being taught about slavery- just like I was decades ago. I was taught perhaps a somewhat more rosy image of slavery than kids are taught today. And yes, kids today are not being taught to venerate Confederate generals are demi-gods.

That doesn't mean that anyone is being taught to hate me because I am white.

. Oh yeah... Well as long as you stay in your place, then you won't experience the hate that others are experiencing in life, .

As a white man who lives in a city that is very mixed- I am not 'experiencing' that hate.

Tell us all about your hardships as a white man- the hate you are encountering in your life.

Tell us all about how hard it is to be a white man in America.

 

[Syriusly]

For what reason are kids having to learn about slavery ??

Because it's part of our history.

Nazism and Hitler is part of German History, but it is illegal to utter Hitler's name in public, and to openly speak of the Nazi's in Germany. So when History is so bad, then it is that it should be responsibly told in historical context, and in the proper settings.

Exposing young children to horrendous acts or events in history, and at to young of an age is the ultimate hight of irresponsibility, and it should stop immediately.

It is agenda driven, and it serves a purpose that is far more sinister than the intent that is given by those who are in up to their eyeballs in the bullcrap.

From where do you come up with this stuff. Denying the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Nazi Germany and Hitler’s rise to power are taught in schools there...

Teaching Nazi Past to German Youth

. Yes, and it's taught in Germany in ways to teach the future generations of Germans that Hitler and the Nazi's were purdy much devil's, so I ask is this the same result desired in America against white people ??

Were those who owned other human beings as beasts of burden Devils?

. Their character at the time was, and unfortunately they were white for the most part in the American history books, but to cast that burden upon the white youth of today is just as evil as it was to slave a man back then.

Who is 'casting' that burden on the white youth of today? Specifically?

 

[Syriusly]

Can history be weaponized just like our Intel, ?

You remind me of Trump's lackey's talking about 'alternative facts'.

Sure history can be used a propaganda tool- frankly that is what happened in the United States regarding slavery and the Confederacy for about 90-100 years.

Starting around 1890-1900, there was a concerted effort to paint the Confederacy as a heroic stand for state's rights and to ignore the issue of slavery. There were heart warming stories of kind masters and the slaves that adored them, as they sang their slave songs in the fields.

Now that was propaganda. There was nothing endearing about slavery. The Confederacy came into existence because of slavery and to protect the rights of States to have legal slavery.

. Ok, so did the liberals of today LEARN history, and then they weaponized it for an agenda to gain power by way of this method ?? After watching these politicians, how can anyone draw any other conclusions ??

• Yes liberals of today have learned history
• No- they didn't weaponize history
• I don't know what politicians you are talking about and
• Pretty much most people have come to a different conclusion than you.

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln WAS a slave at one point.

No, he was an American president. That's not the same as a slave.

. I bet Trump feels like a slave at this point.

You think that Trump worries that someone is going to sell off one of his kids? Or that he will be sent to live on another plantation away from his wife? Or that he might be whipped if he doesn't get enough 'presidenting done'?

That is such as stupid false equivalency that it makes me wonder if you even realize what actually happened to slaves in America.

 

[Syriusly]

Were those who owned other human beings as beasts of burden Devils?

. Their character at the time was, and unfortunately they were white for the most part in the American history books, but to cast that burden upon the white youth of today is just as evil as it was to slave a man back then.

What "burden" is there?

White kids have known about slavery for 150 years ( and longer)

. Oh white kids knew eh ? Not my granddaughter until she came home saying she was going to learn about it. Up until this point she knew nothing about it. Wish it could have remained that way. At least till she was 14 15 maybe.

So why didn’t you teach her yourself? Then you could have shaped her knowledge of it any way you wanted.

. Well, as it is, there will be the counter teaching if needed, but only if what is being taught is being taught wrong. I was just saddened that my innocent grand child was growing up in this evil world, and has to learn these things in which she was innocent of until now. Complex issues for sure.

I learned about the Civil War decades ago in elementary school. We all did.

Yes- there are things in this world that are evil- which is why we also teach kids how to be safe themselves- and start laying the framework of history early.

Teaching children the basics of the history of slavery in America should leave them morally outraged- and that can be a good thing.

 

[beagle9]

Lincoln WAS a slave at one point.

No, he was an American president. That's not the same as a slave.

. I bet Trump feels like a slave at this point.

You think that Trump worries that someone is going to sell off one of his kids? Or that he will be sent to live on another plantation away from his wife? Or that he might be whipped if he doesn't get enough 'presidenting done'?

That is such as stupid false equivalency that it makes me wonder if you even realize what actually happened to slaves in America.

. LOL.... Trump is feeling like a slave to ((((((HIS JOB)))))) right about now, and that somehow gets you trying to explain slavery to us in regards to what I said on that note ??? Why didn't you ask "in what way does he feel like a slave" ? There is more than just one definition attributed to the word slave you know.

 

[beagle9]

Can history be weaponized just like our Intel, ?

You remind me of Trump's lackey's talking about 'alternative facts'.

Sure history can be used a propaganda tool- frankly that is what happened in the United States regarding slavery and the Confederacy for about 90-100 years.

Starting around 1890-1900, there was a concerted effort to paint the Confederacy as a heroic stand for state's rights and to ignore the issue of slavery. There were heart warming stories of kind masters and the slaves that adored them, as they sang their slave songs in the fields.

Now that was propaganda. There was nothing endearing about slavery. The Confederacy came into existence because of slavery and to protect the rights of States to have legal slavery.

. Ok, so did the liberals of today LEARN history, and then they weaponized it for an agenda to gain power by way of this method ?? After watching these politicians, how can anyone draw any other conclusions ??

• Yes liberals of today have learned history
• No- they didn't weaponize history
• I don't know what politicians you are talking about and
• Pretty much most people have come to a different conclusion than you.

. You say people don't weaponize things, yet you can't guarantee anyone of this that you speak ? So you just said something to be saying something ?

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln WAS a slave at one point.

No, he was an American president. That's not the same as a slave.

. I bet Trump feels like a slave at this point.

You think that Trump worries that someone is going to sell off one of his kids? Or that he will be sent to live on another plantation away from his wife? Or that he might be whipped if he doesn't get enough 'presidenting done'?

That is such as stupid false equivalency that it makes me wonder if you even realize what actually happened to slaves in America.

. LOL.... Trump is feeling like a slave to ((((((HIS JOB)))))) right about now, and that somehow gets you trying to explain slavery to us in regards to what I said on that note ??? Why didn't you ask "in what way does he feel like a slave" ? There is more than just one definition attributed to the word slave you know.

Why don't you explain why you believe that Trump feels like a 'slave' even though he is supposedly a billionaire, and President of the United States?

 

[Syriusly]

Can history be weaponized just like our Intel, ?

You remind me of Trump's lackey's talking about 'alternative facts'.

Sure history can be used a propaganda tool- frankly that is what happened in the United States regarding slavery and the Confederacy for about 90-100 years.

Starting around 1890-1900, there was a concerted effort to paint the Confederacy as a heroic stand for state's rights and to ignore the issue of slavery. There were heart warming stories of kind masters and the slaves that adored them, as they sang their slave songs in the fields.

Now that was propaganda. There was nothing endearing about slavery. The Confederacy came into existence because of slavery and to protect the rights of States to have legal slavery.

. Ok, so did the liberals of today LEARN history, and then they weaponized it for an agenda to gain power by way of this method ?? After watching these politicians, how can anyone draw any other conclusions ??

• Yes liberals of today have learned history
• No- they didn't weaponize history
• I don't know what politicians you are talking about and
• Pretty much most people have come to a different conclusion than you.

. You say people don't weaponize things, yet you can't guarantee anyone of this that you speak ? So you just said something to be saying something ?

I didn't say that people don't weaponize things- please don't lie about what I say.
I responded to your points- why aren't you responding to mine?

• Yes liberals of today have learned history
• No- they didn't weaponize history
• I don't know what politicians you are talking about and
• Pretty much most people have come to a different conclusion than you.

 

[beagle9]

Nazism and Hitler is part of German History, but it is illegal to utter Hitler's name in public, and to openly speak of the Nazi's in Germany. So when History is so bad, then it is that it should be responsibly told in historical context, and in the proper settings.

Exposing young children to horrendous acts or events in history, and at to young of an age is the ultimate hight of irresponsibility, and it should stop immediately.

It is agenda driven, and it serves a purpose that is far more sinister than the intent that is given by those who are in up to their eyeballs in the bullcrap.

From where do you come up with this stuff. Denying the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Nazi Germany and Hitler’s rise to power are taught in schools there...

Teaching Nazi Past to German Youth

. Yes, and it's taught in Germany in ways to teach the future generations of Germans that Hitler and the Nazi's were purdy much devil's, so I ask is this the same result desired in America against white people ??

Were those who owned other human beings as beasts of burden Devils?

. Their character at the time was, and unfortunately they were white for the most part in the American history books, but to cast that burden upon the white youth of today is just as evil as it was to slave a man back then.

Who is 'casting' that burden on the white youth of today? Specifically?

. Easy "the Demon-crats". And they do it for political and agenda purposes. Everything has been weaponized, and it's coming out more and more daily upon the political scene.