For Those Who Say There Was No "Palestine," 1947 National Geographic Map
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What has Trump got to do with your use of Taqiyya on this forum over and over…Talk about trying to deflect from your past lies and half truthsLol
And Trump says he never claimed Biden lost the election. You're crazy.
How far back do you want to go parts of Syria were once part of the kingdom of Solomon and David so turning it back on you it is common and not so common knowledge that those lands belonged to the Israelites silly game you are playing…
Toddsterpatriot
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Jews were always a minority. Have you read the travel journals of Rabbi Benjamin of Toledo or ibn Battuta?
Here's a detailed breakdown of population of Palestine during the Ottoman years.
Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Jews were always a minority.
What about in Jerusalem in 1922?
You sure aren't smart. So much for stereotypes.
I've already linked it for you several times.
Toddsterpatriot
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For Palestine, not for Jerusalem.
Ok. Look it up yourself.
GLASNOST
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The pain you are suffering right now from getting put in your place must be unbearable for you.
There's at least one other, besides me, and she's constantly ravaging your BS propaganda and tearing it to shreds.
Toddsterpatriot
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Population of Jerusalem
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
shoot the messenger but not the message shows where you are coming from is that what they taught you in Episcopalian school…
In your dreams….There's at least one other, besides me, and she's constantly ravaging your BS propaganda and tearing it to shreds.
GLASNOST
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In my dreams, there is peace and tranquility the world over. In your dreams, you are sitting on a veranda at the edge of the Mediterranean Sea with a whiskey & kosher grape juice drink in one hand and a view of dead and dying Palestinians strew about the landscape. Zionism is synonymous with Nazism/Apartheid and it gives you a sense of pride to be a part of it.
You are delusional the state of Israel has over 2 million Muslims and many others who are not Jews … The same cannot be said for the so called Palestinians or the Muslim states surrounding Israel and in the end this will be proven out.. You have everything backwards …
GLASNOST
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It is with near total disbelief that I am compelled to inform you that the Muslim world is vast and that Israel is a made-up dot in the middle of it. Israel didn’t evolve out of centuries of cultural-linguistic development as the Arab-Muslim world did. Jews were minorities within the various Arab-Muslim nations (as well as within Europe). That was the extent of their cultural development. So, you think maybe “over 2 million Muslims” within the fake nation called Israel is some sort of tolerant, liberal gift to them?
Is it your fantasy that Jews in the Arab-Muslim world were expelled by an Auschwitzian rail system and deposited in the falsely created new state? Maybe you never heard of Zionism?! Let me simplify it for you: Jews volunteered to leave their homes in the Muslim world in expectation of reaping Zionist rewards. Crudely stated they gave up their land and stole someone else’s. What sort of mitzvah is that?
It is with near total disbelief that I am compelled to inform you that the Muslim world is vast and that Israel is a made-up dot in the middle of it. Israel didn’t evolve out of centuries of cultural-linguistic development as the Arab-Muslim world did. Jews were minorities within the various Arab-Muslim nations (as well as within Europe). That was the extent of their cultural development. So, you think maybe “over 2 million Muslims” within the fake nation called Israel is some sort of tolerant, liberal gift to them?
Is it your fantasy that Jews in the Arab-Muslim world were expelled by an Auschwitzian rail system and deposited in the falsely created new state? Maybe you never heard of Zionism?! Let me simplify it for you: Jews volunteered to leave their homes in the Muslim world in expectation of reaping Zionist rewards. Crudely stated they gave up their land and stole someone else’s. What sort of mitzvah is that?
Did the Jews Steal the Palestinians’ Land?
Published on: 4.5.2017A quick review of history
by Susan Michael
A common accusation against Israel is that the state is founded upon land stolen from the Palestinian people. A quick review of history reveals a far different story.
Ancient History
The Jewish people’s connection to the land goes back some 4,000 years when, according to the Bible, God bequeathed it to the Jewish people through an unconditional covenant with Abraham. The Bible also records the Israelites’ settlement of the land and the establishment of the Davidic Kingdom there. Over the next 3,000 years the Jewish people suffered two exiles; however, a Jewish presence always remained.
The second exile began when Roman forces destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, slaughtered many Jewish inhabitants, took others into captivity to Rome, and caused many others to flee. In AD 135, Emperor Hadrian attempted to remove all traces of Jewish identity from the area by building a pagan city he named Aelia Capitolina over Jerusalem and erecting a temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount. He also renamed the area of Judea “Palestine” after the Philistines, the ancient enemies of the Israelites.
Paganism eventually gave way to Christianity in Rome, and the Christian Byzantine Empire ruled over the region of Palestine for some 300 years until the Islamic invasion of the seventh century. After that, Islam ruled the land of Israel for some 1,400 years until the defeat and breakup of the crumbling Ottoman Empire in World War I.
International Backing of the Modern Return
In 1920, the Allied countries of Britain, France, Italy, and Japan met in San Remo, Italy to decide what to do with the areas in the Middle East vacated by the Ottoman Turks. At this conference, they resolved to establish mandatory trusts over these areas for their respective indigenous inhabitants. These mandates were viewed as “sacred trusts” intended to prepare the areas for self-rule by the indigenous peoples. The 1917 Balfour Declaration had already declared Great Britain’s support for the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine, in recognition of the ancient Jewish claim and connection to the land of Israel. Former British diplomat Lord Curzon called the Balfour Declaration Israel’s “Magna Carta.”
On July 24, 1922, the fifty-one members of the League of Nations, which was later succeeded by the United Nations, unanimously adopted the British Mandate for Palestine. This decision was based on international recognition that the Jewish people were indigenous to the land of Israel. It thus enshrined into international law the legal right for Jewish people to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
Professor Eliav Shochetman, an expert in international law at Hebrew University, explains: “The right of the people of Israel to the Land of Israel was recognized by the League of Nations in 1921…From this moment on [the Balfour Document] became accepted by all of the nations” When the League of Nations ended and the United Nations was established, the UN Charter contained “ a special clause, no. 80, in which it is said that all of the rights that were recognized in international law by the League of Nations still exist and are still binding . . . there is no document in international law that grants rights of sovereignty to anybody other than to the Jewish People. This is the legal position,” according to Shochetman.
Land Purchases and Statehood
Several waves of Jewish immigration in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries resulted in economic development and job opportunities for the local population. Therefore, as the Jewish communities grew, so did the Arab population. Jewish organizations and individuals bought property from private landowners—many absentee—often paying exorbitant prices for barren desert and malaria-infested swamps. Upon statehood, Israel assumed title over any public lands once held by the Ottoman Empire.
Palestinian Grievances
After the UN Partition Plan of 1947, the Jews declared statehood, were recognized by the United Nations, and were admitted as full voting members to the international body. Israel’s founding was legal and accepted by the international community as such. However, the new Jewish State was immediately attacked by the surrounding Arab nations.
During the 1948 War of Independence, many Arab peoples living in areas now under Israeli sovereignty were displaced. Their displacement occurred for several reasons, including Arab leaders urging them to flee and promising their return after victory in a few short weeks. Most Arab refugees never left “Palestine” itself since they traveled a few miles to the other side of the fighting, while others crossed over into bordering Arab nations with the same language and ethnicity. Unfortunately, these Arab nations did not welcome their brethren, choosing instead to put them into refugee camps where many remain to this day.
Israel’s Proclamation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, invited the Arab inhabitants of the land to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state. The 160,000 Arabs who remained in Israel kept their homes and properties and are today Israeli citizens who enjoy the freedoms and opportunities afforded them by the region’s one and only democratic country. There are some 1.7 million Arab citizens of Israel today.
Meanwhile, in the wake of their defeat in 1948, the Arab states forcibly expelled more than 800,000 Jewish citizens and stripped them of all their property—constituting a much larger theft of land and belongings and a larger refugee problem than that claimed by the Palestinians. While Israel absorbed these Jewish refugees, the Arab countries did not absorb the Palestinian Arab refugees.
Summary
Hence, it is true that some Arabs lost their residences by vacating them in 1948 only to realize they were unable to return once the fighting stopped. It is also true that some Arab individuals have lost their homes due to Israeli military or security measures. And while any legitimate grievance should be recognized and compensated, the problem is small compared to the large amounts of land Israel obtained legally and the number of Jews who lost their properties in Arab countries. Therefore, it in no way calls into question the legitimacy of the Jewish State.
Susan Michael is the USA Director of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem and creator of the IsraelAnswers.com website.
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'Palestine' was a partition that was dissolved after the Roman Empire fell.
Regardless of maps. Chinas maps do not show Taiwan as it's own country and the South China Sea has no demarcation points.
Regardless of maps. Chinas maps do not show Taiwan as it's own country and the South China Sea has no demarcation points.
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Your point? Prior to 67 Jews couldn’t set foot in E Jerusalem even though their religion sites were there
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GLASNOST
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Yes.
Yes, "according to the Bible", a fictional work written by men ..... not by G_d.
"Jada, jada, jada". Historical Jews had their epoch as a dominating entity but they blew it. Although Judaism was never completely eradicated (thank G_d for that) it had, none-the-less lost its natural opportunity to aquire (or re-acquire) its hold over what is often called "the Holy Land". What we have now is a sort of geo-political GMO, that is to say, a modern, disconnected people blasphemously wedged into a naturally developed Arab-Muslim culture. The Jewish covenant has been tweaked into a fake nation that G_d did not authorize. Zionism is a smote against humanity and in the end it will be punished by the hand that created life.
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