Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[kaz]

Where in her religion is it written that she cannot arrange flowers for a wedding?

Where does it say she can't do it for a pornographers convention? Use your ******* brain.

Pornographers aren't covered as a group that can't be discriminated against in that state.

You missed the point. Really badly too. You asked where it was in the Bible, RETARD.

No, you missed the point. You said she couldn't be forced to do something against her religion. There is nothing in the bible that prohibits her from arranging flowers for a gay wedding. Not to mention that she volunteered to follow local laws when she decided to be a florist.

Though thanks for this little back and forth. It is against her religion to lie, and that is exactly what she's done by agreeing to abide by local laws and then playing the religion card.

Yes, of course, the inherent truth of liberalism. We all know that liberalism is truth, we only don't accept it because we are greedy racists and sexists and we worship the rich and corporations. So if we disagree with you, we are all lying.

It is perfectly reasonable for a Christian to be opposed to participating in an act they consider immoral, your point is just stupid

 

[dblack]

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

I have.

Libertarians don't count

... darn.

 

[PratchettFan]

They had not been refused before that. They probably don't care if someone does not approve, they only cared when they were being discriminated against. Of course, that's just a guess on my part - not knowing them.

Ok, dude. I am a white cajun male. If I go up to Harlem and a black owned barbeque place refuses to sell me a rack or ribs because they don't like cajuns, I will just flip them off and go to another place to eat.

Why would I want to give my business to someone who does not like me?

you libs have this gay rights thing stuck up your ass. (bad analogy)

That is your choice. No one is going to hold a gun to your head to force you to do otherwise. But if they did that, they would be in violation of the law and you might want to stand up for your rights as a citizen. But again, no one is forcing you to stand up.

I ask again, why are the gays making a big deal of this? why not just do their business with a florist who approves of them marrying? Last time I checked, there were a lot of gay florists.

Because they don't want to just stand by quietly and be discriminated against.

So you are admitting that they only did this to stir up shit, and at the same time refused to give their business to a florist who approved of their lifestyle?

So the gay agenda is out to punish those who agree with them as well as those who may disagree with them.

Punish everyone until the government forces everyone to beleive what the government dictates that we must believe. Have you read 1984 by Orwell? Do you understand what thought control means?

I don't know them, so I can't speak for them. But if I was being discriminated against in violation of the law, I would certainly "stir up shit". I applaud them for doing it. I applaud the florist for fighting it. Very healthy stuff. What I don't applaud is the attitude that people should just shut up and take it, because we don't want anyone to "stir up shit".

If you think equality under the law and standing up for your rights constitutes thought control, then we need some more thought control.

 

[bodecea]

Just one question: why would a gay couple want to do business with a florist who does not approve of gay marriage? Why would they want to contribute to the profit of a business that does not approve of their lifestyle?

Try to answer honestly.

That's no more my business than their sexuality is but why would a business purposely discourage paying customers? That's also not my business.

What is the business of all of us is that our country supposedly stands for equality. More to the point, its the law.

Loony homophobes are welcome to their ignorant bigotry but they don't get to usurp that law.

You conveniently ignored my comment but here it is again:

The stupidity of RWs never ceases to amaze me. Or how many believe 'equality for all, except those you arbitrarily decide to hate'.

so a business owner has no freedom, only minorities have freedom? think about it, thats what you are saying.

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. If you open your business to the public, then you have to let the public in.

Yes, a better scenario would have been for the florist to tell them that she was totally booked up for that day, rather than refuse due to their gayness.

Sure, cuz christians lie, right?

They sure seem to have a blind spot when it comes to that Commandment about "bearing false witness".

 

[bodecea]

That's no more my business than their sexuality is but why would a business purposely discourage paying customers? That's also not my business.

What is the business of all of us is that our country supposedly stands for equality. More to the point, its the law.

Loony homophobes are welcome to their ignorant bigotry but they don't get to usurp that law.

You conveniently ignored my comment but here it is again:

The stupidity of RWs never ceases to amaze me. Or how many believe 'equality for all, except those you arbitrarily decide to hate'.

so a business owner has no freedom, only minorities have freedom? think about it, thats what you are saying.

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. If you open your business to the public, then you have to let the public in.

Yes, a better scenario would have been for the florist to tell them that she was totally booked up for that day, rather than refuse due to their gayness.

Sure, cuz christians lie, right?

everyone lies. it has nothing to do with religion. are obama's lies based on religion? oops, well maybe they are since islam permits lying to further the goals of islam.

Yep...so much for that Commandment.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And btw, there were no laws against homosexual marriage until the bigots passed them.

So name a gay couple that got married before the courts started ordering States to marry gay couples

These were the first to try, when there were no laws on the books here:

"On May 18, 1970, two University of Minnesota students, Richard John 'Jack' Baker and James Michael McConnell applied to Hennepin County District Court clerk Gerald Nelson for a marriage license. He denied the application, because the applicants were both men. Baker and McConnell sued Nelson, claiming Minnesota law on marriage made no mention of gender. The trial court was not impressed with the argument, agreeing with Nelson. The state Supreme Court agreed with the lower court. When Baker-McConnell went to the U.S. Supreme Court, the couple was rebuffed again."
Timeline of same-sex marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[PratchettFan]

You think a business owner should be able to pick and choose which laws he/she will obey? And if he decides not to obey a law, he should get a pass?

please quote the state or federal statute that says that florists must provide their services to gay couples.

There are bars in the 9th ward of New Orleans that do not serve whites, but I have no desire to go there and buy a beer. Should I force them to sell to me? Why?

I'm pretty sure the laws of Louisiana don't apply to this case. But yeah, if you feel it is wrong they won't serve you then you should stand up and do something about it.

I asked you to cite the statutes that applied in this case, guess you can't do that.

Why would I want to force a black bar to serve me? What would I gain by doing that? maybe a gunshot or a knife in the gut. So I force them to serve me, a fight starts, people get hurt, the cops come and arrest a bunch of people, the bar owner loses his business. All because I chose to be an asshole?

The whole gay agenda is just foolish, it is hurting the gay cause much more than helping it.

This was a court ruling. Do I actually have to show the court was referencing a statute?

I have no idea why you would want to. I have already said that is your choice. Do it or don't. You have the option to do it if it means that much to you. Apparently it meant that much to this particular couple.

What did they gain? They get to pay legal bills, court costs, risk being counter sued. Managed to alienate many who might otherwise support them.

Liberals do not think rationally about anything. You shit in your soup and then ***** because it tastes bad.

They gain the right, even the expectation, to hold their heads up and proclaim that they will not be fucked with. If you don't see the need to fight for that, then we just are never going to understand each other.

 

[bodecea]

It's human nature to not want to do something that is against our belief system, and it's human nature for a person's resolve to increase when this happens.

These people know this, they know they're making things worse by forcing these people to bend to their will.

But they don't care, because their will to intimidate and control is stronger than their interest in changing hearts and minds.

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The adoption of a belief system does not provide a person with a special exemption by way of acting in any manner they wish. A person could choose to believe that skinning a human sacrifice is necessary to placate the will of Xipe Totec, but any steps they might take towards acting on such beliefs would be restricted by law. We have a separation of church and state in our country, and so actions conducted in the public sphere are subject to secular law.

The day when the state dictates what can be taught in churches, THEN people could say quite rightly that Christianity is under attack, but until such a time, all this blather only serves to mask the central issue of public accommodation. I happen to own a business open to the public, and as such, I understand my responsibility when it comes to such public accommodation.

As far as this notion about people out to "intimidate and control" is concerned, who is actually engaging in the intimidation and control -- those who represent an ingrained system of arbitrary prejudice acting in a hostile fashion towards an oppressed minority or the minority acting to establish their basic rights?

Aye, there's the rub. Understanding one's responsibility when it comes to such public accommodation. Something this florist doesn't want to take.....responsibility.

 

[Iceweasel]

And the same arguments were made when blacks refused to go to the back of the bus and sat down at the diner counter. I think we survived the pain.

When were homosexuals made to sit in the back of the bus?

Two things homosexuals can't grasp: Private and public means different things. Homosexuality is not a race. Sitting in the back of a public bus is not the same as forcing someone to do business with someone they don't like. The tyranny is all yours.

 

[Redfish]

That's no more my business than their sexuality is but why would a business purposely discourage paying customers? That's also not my business.

What is the business of all of us is that our country supposedly stands for equality. More to the point, its the law.

Loony homophobes are welcome to their ignorant bigotry but they don't get to usurp that law.

You conveniently ignored my comment but here it is again:

The stupidity of RWs never ceases to amaze me. Or how many believe 'equality for all, except those you arbitrarily decide to hate'.

so a business owner has no freedom, only minorities have freedom? think about it, thats what you are saying.

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. If you open your business to the public, then you have to let the public in.

Yes, a better scenario would have been for the florist to tell them that she was totally booked up for that day, rather than refuse due to their gayness.

Sure, cuz christians lie, right?

They sure seem to have a blind spot when it comes to that Commandment about "bearing false witness".

so now all anti-gay florists are Christians? No muslim florists?

I am waiting for a gay couple to file suit against a muslim florist. Probably going to be a long wait.

 

[bodecea]

please quote the state or federal statute that says that florists must provide their services to gay couples.

There are bars in the 9th ward of New Orleans that do not serve whites, but I have no desire to go there and buy a beer. Should I force them to sell to me? Why?

I'm pretty sure the laws of Louisiana don't apply to this case. But yeah, if you feel it is wrong they won't serve you then you should stand up and do something about it.

I asked you to cite the statutes that applied in this case, guess you can't do that.

Why would I want to force a black bar to serve me? What would I gain by doing that? maybe a gunshot or a knife in the gut. So I force them to serve me, a fight starts, people get hurt, the cops come and arrest a bunch of people, the bar owner loses his business. All because I chose to be an asshole?

The whole gay agenda is just foolish, it is hurting the gay cause much more than helping it.

This was a court ruling. Do I actually have to show the court was referencing a statute?

I have no idea why you would want to. I have already said that is your choice. Do it or don't. You have the option to do it if it means that much to you. Apparently it meant that much to this particular couple.

What did they gain? They get to pay legal bills, court costs, risk being counter sued. Managed to alienate many who might otherwise support them.

Liberals do not think rationally about anything. You shit in your soup and then ***** because it tastes bad.

They gain the right, even the expectation, to hold their heads up and proclaim that they will not be fucked with. If you don't see the need to fight for that, then we just are never going to understand each other.

It does seem, in both of these threads, that the RW posters are advocating rolling over and taking discrimination.

 

[bodecea]

so a business owner has no freedom, only minorities have freedom? think about it, thats what you are saying.

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. If you open your business to the public, then you have to let the public in.

Yes, a better scenario would have been for the florist to tell them that she was totally booked up for that day, rather than refuse due to their gayness.

Sure, cuz christians lie, right?

They sure seem to have a blind spot when it comes to that Commandment about "bearing false witness".

so now all anti-gay florists are Christians? No muslim florists?

I am waiting for a gay couple to file suit against a muslim florist. Probably going to be a long wait.

Oh my....did you just assume that the Commandments were JUST for Christians?

 

[Iceweasel]

They gain the right, even the expectation, to hold their heads up and proclaim that they will not be fucked with.

You need someone else's approval to hold your head up? Even if it's by force? No wonder your thinking is screwed up.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

I have.

Libertarians don't count

In or for anything actually. Just selfish children screaming you can't make me, you can't make me.

 

[Iceweasel]

It does seem, in both of these threads, that the RW posters are advocating rolling over and taking discrimination.

No one said that but you want the businesses to roll over and forfeit their freedoms.

 

[Redfish]

please quote the state or federal statute that says that florists must provide their services to gay couples.

There are bars in the 9th ward of New Orleans that do not serve whites, but I have no desire to go there and buy a beer. Should I force them to sell to me? Why?

I'm pretty sure the laws of Louisiana don't apply to this case. But yeah, if you feel it is wrong they won't serve you then you should stand up and do something about it.

I asked you to cite the statutes that applied in this case, guess you can't do that.

Why would I want to force a black bar to serve me? What would I gain by doing that? maybe a gunshot or a knife in the gut. So I force them to serve me, a fight starts, people get hurt, the cops come and arrest a bunch of people, the bar owner loses his business. All because I chose to be an asshole?

The whole gay agenda is just foolish, it is hurting the gay cause much more than helping it.

This was a court ruling. Do I actually have to show the court was referencing a statute?

I have no idea why you would want to. I have already said that is your choice. Do it or don't. You have the option to do it if it means that much to you. Apparently it meant that much to this particular couple.

What did they gain? They get to pay legal bills, court costs, risk being counter sued. Managed to alienate many who might otherwise support them.

Liberals do not think rationally about anything. You shit in your soup and then ***** because it tastes bad.

They gain the right, even the expectation, to hold their heads up and proclaim that they will not be fucked with. If you don't see the need to fight for that, then we just are never going to understand each other.

ever hear the expression "pick your battles"? this kind of crap hurts the gay cause more than helps it.

I understand that our constitution give equal rights to every citizen, no special rights to minorities or majorities. Gays want special rights, want to redefine marriage, want to redefine human biology and sexuality. Homosexuality is not a normal human condition, it is an aberation, a mental illness.

mentally ill people are entitled to equal rights, they are not entitled to force anyone else to accept their orientation as normal.

 

[Iceweasel]

so now all anti-gay florists are Christians? No muslim florists?

I am waiting for a gay couple to file suit against a muslim florist. Probably going to be a long wait.

It's going to be hard to hold your head up when it's laying in the gutter.

 

[Ravi]

What we have here is a "Christian" wanting the government to selectively enforce her bigotry against gay people. If selling to a gay couple for their wedding is against her religion, so too is selling to people "living in sin," divorced people, unwed mothers, convicted criminals, etc., etc., etc.

The hypocrisy of this woman and her supporters is outstanding.

 

[bodecea]

They gain the right, even the expectation, to hold their heads up and proclaim that they will not be fucked with.

You need someone else's approval to hold your head up? Even if it's by force? No wonder your thinking is screwed up.

And it gets even more fascinating. So if someone fights for their rights not to be discriminated against, it means that they are seeking approval to hold their head up? Tell that one to Rosa Parks. She was just needy and wanted attention, eh?