Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[koshergrl]

Conservatives are obsessed with restoring the right to discriminate.

Dude, it's floral arrangements.

We fight over flowers now?

It's flowers. It's a cake. It's some pictures.

What it really is, is an organized program to force people to violate their most deeply held values. Then liberals can say that hypocritical Christians sell out their values for a profit.

Selling cake doesn't 'violate' anything. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, don't enter into one. That might violate your beliefs.

This isn't about selling cake. It's about forcing Christians to endorse practices they believe are sacrilegious, or face fines, imprisonment and who knows what else.

 

[Seawytch]

It's an art form to put those two little grooms on the cake.

It is an art form to make the cake. Putting two grooms on the cake is a form of art the artist doesn't support.

They don't have to provide the topper, just bake the same cake they'd bake a straight couple...or pay the fine. Their choice.

Or direct the same sex couple to the cake case and tell them to make their choice from what's offered.

If they don't make cakes, sure I guess they can. What they can't do is sell a product to straight couple A and refuse to sell the same product to gay couple B.

 

[koshergrl]

It's an art form to put those two little grooms on the cake.

It is an art form to make the cake. Putting two grooms on the cake is a form of art the artist doesn't support.

They don't have to provide the topper, just bake the same cake they'd bake a straight couple...or pay the fine. Their choice.

Or direct the same sex couple to the cake case and tell them to make their choice from what's offered.

If they don't make cakes, sure I guess they can. What they can't do is sell a product to straight couple A and refuse to sell the same product to gay couple B.

Wrong.

They can refuse to be a part of any ritual they deem sacrilegious. The state cannot force people to participate in sacrilege.

 

[Nosmo King]

Try reading before responding. Did I say Gay is a race? Nope! But your failure to comprehend my post put you in a particularly poor light.

While we protect race because it is not a factor in what a person is, sexual preference is a behavior and cannot rationally be protected.

By associating homosexuality with race, you offer the same logical fallacy that your party does in general.

Is Homosexuality a criminal offense? Can one be arrested for merely being and, while living as a sober, tax paying, responsible adult, behaving as a Homosexual?

This argument is a cultural argument. Should culture be in the hands of legislators?

As gender orientation is an immutable trait, where's the justice for Homosexuals? No other citizen would tolerate the cultural behavior from a minority seeking to hide behind religion. While religion is constitutionally protected, thank God, it is not an immutable trait. The rational used by the wedding vendors is based in a line of Scripture. With oppression coming with a Biblical mandate, some default to protected religious beliefs. All manner of cultural anachronisms have been based in a line of Scripture.

It seems to me that whenever Scripture has been used to justify a cultural attitude that has long since been left behind as the world got smaller. Slavery, arraigned marriages, adultery (think about courtesans, mistresses, concubines and the like). All those cultural attitudes and sins are defined by eras. The Victorians, the Edwardians, the Old South.

And so, culture evolves after diversity. Isn't it time for culture to be a benefactor to people, not an oppressor.

 

[Seawytch]

It's an art form to put those two little grooms on the cake.

It is an art form to make the cake. Putting two grooms on the cake is a form of art the artist doesn't support.

They don't have to provide the topper, just bake the same cake they'd bake a straight couple...or pay the fine. Their choice.

Or direct the same sex couple to the cake case and tell them to make their choice from what's offered.

If they don't make cakes, sure I guess they can. What they can't do is sell a product to straight couple A and refuse to sell the same product to gay couple B.

Wrong.

They can refuse to be a part of any ritual they deem sacrilegious. The state cannot force people to participate in sacrilege.

You need to read the ruling.

 

[bodecea]

Conservatives are obsessed with restoring the right to discriminate.

Dude, it's floral arrangements.

We fight over flowers now?

Don't you know, queers have the right to demand service, and receive it...and not just blow jobs.

Don't you know, christians have the right to demand service and receive it....and not just blow jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives are obsessed with restoring the right to discriminate.

Dude, it's floral arrangements.

We fight over flowers now?

It's flowers. It's a cake. It's some pictures.

What it really is, is an organized program to force people to violate their most deeply held values. Then liberals can say that hypocritical Christians sell out their values for a profit.

Selling cake doesn't 'violate' anything. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, don't enter into one. That might violate your beliefs.

This isn't about selling cake. It's about forcing Christians to endorse practices they believe are sacrilegious, or face fines, imprisonment and who knows what else.

Christians can choose not to go into businesses that require them by law to violate their beliefs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's an art form to put those two little grooms on the cake.

It is an art form to make the cake. Putting two grooms on the cake is a form of art the artist doesn't support.

They don't have to provide the topper, just bake the same cake they'd bake a straight couple...or pay the fine. Their choice.

Or direct the same sex couple to the cake case and tell them to make their choice from what's offered.

If they don't make cakes, sure I guess they can. What they can't do is sell a product to straight couple A and refuse to sell the same product to gay couple B.

Wrong.

They can refuse to be a part of any ritual they deem sacrilegious. The state cannot force people to participate in sacrilege.

They are not forced. No one is forced to become a cake baker.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is Homosexuality a criminal offense? Can one be arrested for merely being and, while living as a sober, tax paying, responsible adult, behaving as a Homosexual?

This argument is a cultural argument. Should culture be in the hands of legislators?

As gender orientation is an immutable trait, where's the justice for Homosexuals? No other citizen would tolerate the cultural behavior from a minority seeking to hide behind religion. While religion is constitutionally protected, thank God, it is not an immutable trait. The rational used by the wedding vendors is based in a line of Scripture. With oppression coming with a Biblical mandate, some default to protected religious beliefs. All manner of cultural anachronisms have been based in a line of Scripture.

It seems to me that whenever Scripture has been used to justify a cultural attitude that has long since been left behind as the world got smaller. Slavery, arraigned marriages, adultery (think about courtesans, mistresses, concubines and the like). All those cultural attitudes and sins are defined by eras. The Victorians, the Edwardians, the Old South.

And so, culture evolves after diversity. Isn't it time for culture to be a benefactor to people, not an oppressor.

And another leftist spins out of orbit, unable to formulate a rational thought...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Christians can choose not to go into businesses that require them by law to violate their beliefs.

Wow, you sound just like Progressive democrat Orval Faubus: "Negroes can choose not to go to school and avoid beatings by Little Rock police."

You democrats never change....

 

[koshergrl]

Try reading before responding. Did I say Gay is a race? Nope! But your failure to comprehend my post put you in a particularly poor light.

While we protect race because it is not a factor in what a person is, sexual preference is a behavior and cannot rationally be protected.

By associating homosexuality with race, you offer the same logical fallacy that your party does in general.

Is Homosexuality a criminal offense? Can one be arrested for merely being and, while living as a sober, tax paying, responsible adult, behaving as a Homosexual?

This argument is a cultural argument. Should culture be in the hands of legislators?

As gender orientation is an immutable trait, where's the justice for Homosexuals? No other citizen would tolerate the cultural behavior from a minority seeking to hide behind religion. While religion is constitutionally protected, thank God, it is not an immutable trait. The rational used by the wedding vendors is based in a line of Scripture. With oppression coming with a Biblical mandate, some default to protected religious beliefs. All manner of cultural anachronisms have been based in a line of Scripture.

It seems to me that whenever Scripture has been used to justify a cultural attitude that has long since been left behind as the world got smaller. Slavery, arraigned marriages, adultery (think about courtesans, mistresses, concubines and the like). All those cultural attitudes and sins are defined by eras. The Victorians, the Edwardians, the Old South.

And so, culture evolves after diversity. Isn't it time for culture to be a benefactor to people, not an oppressor.

How does the state forcing people to participate in sacrilege "benefit" people?

 

[koshergrl]

My understanding of history leads me to believe that whenever the state steps in to tell people what they *must* do in regards to religious practices, imprisonment and bloodshed is not far behind.

 

[Katzndogz]

Conservatives are obsessed with restoring the right to discriminate.

Dude, it's floral arrangements.

We fight over flowers now?

It's flowers. It's a cake. It's some pictures.

What it really is, is an organized program to force people to violate their most deeply held values. Then liberals can say that hypocritical Christians sell out their values for a profit.

Selling cake doesn't 'violate' anything. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, don't enter into one. That might violate your beliefs.

This isn't about selling cake. It's about forcing Christians to endorse practices they believe are sacrilegious, or face fines, imprisonment and who knows what else.

It's not exactly endorsing practices they consider sacreligious. It's performing acts themselves that are sacreligious.

 

[Katzndogz]

My understanding of history leads me to believe that whenever the state steps in to tell people what they *must* do in regards to religious practices, imprisonment and bloodshed is not far behind.

We see just on this board how many are ready and willing for that step.

 

[NYcarbineer]

My understanding of history leads me to believe that whenever the state steps in to tell people what they *must* do in regards to religious practices, imprisonment and bloodshed is not far behind.

Would you allow human sacrifice if people claimed it was one of their religious practices?

 

[bodecea]

It's an art form to put those two little grooms on the cake.

It is an art form to make the cake. Putting two grooms on the cake is a form of art the artist doesn't support.

They don't have to provide the topper, just bake the same cake they'd bake a straight couple...or pay the fine. Their choice.

Or direct the same sex couple to the cake case and tell them to make their choice from what's offered.

If they don't make cakes, sure I guess they can. What they can't do is sell a product to straight couple A and refuse to sell the same product to gay couple B.

Wrong.

They can refuse to be a part of any ritual they deem sacrilegious. The state cannot force people to participate in sacrilege.

Now the florist had to be "part of the ritual"?

 

[bodecea]

My understanding of history leads me to believe that whenever the state steps in to tell people what they *must* do in regards to religious practices, imprisonment and bloodshed is not far behind.

We see just on this board how many are ready and willing for that step.

Ah yes....war...holy war....

 

[Flash]

If I asked a photographer to photograph a lecture on the health risks of homosexuality, and the photographer informed me that he was gay and would rather not have to sit through such an event, much less photograph it, I would respect his views and feelings and simply find a different photographer. That's what normal, tolerant, open-minded people do. I wouldn't dream of suing him or filing a complaint against him.

Why can't gays show the same kind of tolerance and respect for the views and feelings of others and just go find different florists, bakers, and photographers? Why? They could easily do so. So why do they try to punish people who find their lifestyle offensive and immoral?

Because Liberals aren't exactly known for being tolerant. They are filled with hate and disdain for anybody that disagrees with them..

 

[Carla_Danger]

Conservatives are obsessed with restoring the right to discriminate.

Dude, it's floral arrangements.

We fight over flowers now?

It's flowers. It's a cake. It's some pictures.

What it really is, is an organized program to force people to violate their most deeply held values. Then liberals can say that hypocritical Christians sell out their values for a profit.

Do I hear violin music? Someone get me some tissue! Oh, their most deeply held values!....of course until it comes to divorce.

Divorce? Meh...

 

[Silhouette]

Would you allow human sacrifice if people claimed it was one of their religious practices?

The pertinent question here is would you FORCE people to do human sacrafice if it was the law and they objected to it morally?