Florida Judge voids FLORIDA GOP created congressional map

[BreezeWood]

Fate of congressional district plan back in hands of judge | Post On Politics

Florida’s battle over redistricting went back before a judge Wednesday who is expected to rule soon on whether the Legislature met state and federal law in redrawing seven congressional boundaries.
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Much of Wednesday’s hearing centered on alternative maps submitted by these groups which dramatically changed Brown’s north-s0uth shaped district into one that went from east-to-west across North Florida.

Meros ridiculed the plan as stretching across a landscape that has “more armadillos than people.”

But King insisted that by repositioning Brown’s district, it would allow more Democratic-leaning black voters to be placed into Webster’s seat — possibly increasing minority representation from Florida in Congress.

An attorney for the NAACP, however, disagreed. Allison Riggs told Lewis that the voters’ coalition was wrong and that realigning Brown’s district threatened to reduce the ability of black voters to elect a candidate of their choice.

no telling how the judge will rule - it is an interesting coalition of Rs and black Ds against the reformers.

hopefully the Judge sides with the 2010 constitutional amendments against gerrymandering for political purposes and orders a redraw otherwise he will essentially be putting the icing on the Rs cake.

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[Jroc]

I am an American living and working in Germany. She is the Chancellor for BRD, she is not "my" Chancellor. I do not vote in German elections, I vote in US elections. Just to be crystal clear about this.

I'm risking being off topis here, but you push Obama and his policies while living in another continent and not directly effected by them. Does Obamacare cover you in Germany ? "Just to be crystal clear"

The things I choose to talk about are my business, not yours. Geography has nothing to do with it.
But since you were silly enough to bring it up, since I am working in a country with the oldest and most successful health care system in the world, I would say there is a lot that the USA could learn from Germany about practically every single facet of good, effective health care.

Your backhanded slap is noted. Guess that's what happens when you have no real argument to present, what?

Yeah? well..... One: America isn't Germany. Two: our former free market healthcare system is responsible for most of the medical advances in the world. Three: the German socialist are responsible for for sending 6 million Jews to the gas chambers, and the deaths of 100 million people in WWII alone. Four: Obamacare is just a bunch of crony payoffs which caused my healthcare cost to rise 50%... So you can take your socialism and shove it....Hows that for a response bro?

 

[Statistikhengst]

I am an American living and working in Germany. She is the Chancellor for BRD, she is not "my" Chancellor. I do not vote in German elections, I vote in US elections. Just to be crystal clear about this.

I'm risking being off topis here, but you push Obama and his policies while living in another continent and not directly effected by them. Does Obamacare cover you in Germany ? "Just to be crystal clear"

The things I choose to talk about are my business, not yours. Geography has nothing to do with it.
But since you were silly enough to bring it up, since I am working in a country with the oldest and most successful health care system in the world, I would say there is a lot that the USA could learn from Germany about practically every single facet of good, effective health care.

Your backhanded slap is noted. Guess that's what happens when you have no real argument to present, what?

Yeah? well..... One: America isn't Germany. Two: our former free market healthcare system is responsible for most of the medical advances in the world. Three: the German socialist are responsible for for sending 6 million Jews to the gas chambers, and the deaths of 100 million people in WWII alone. Four: Obamacare is just a bunch of crony payoffs which caused my healthcare cost to rise 50%... So you can take your socialism and shove it....Hows that for a response bro?

Nice attempt at invoking Godwin, but it will not work.
The German health care system is still mostly free-market. I bet you didn't know that.

Perhaps, "bro", one day you will learn that ad hominem attacks do nothing to bolster your argument, assuming you had one to begin with.

 

[Jroc]

I am an American living and working in Germany. She is the Chancellor for BRD, she is not "my" Chancellor. I do not vote in German elections, I vote in US elections. Just to be crystal clear about this.

I'm risking being off topis here, but you push Obama and his policies while living in another continent and not directly effected by them. Does Obamacare cover you in Germany ? "Just to be crystal clear"

The things I choose to talk about are my business, not yours. Geography has nothing to do with it.
But since you were silly enough to bring it up, since I am working in a country with the oldest and most successful health care system in the world, I would say there is a lot that the USA could learn from Germany about practically every single facet of good, effective health care.

Your backhanded slap is noted. Guess that's what happens when you have no real argument to present, what?

Yeah? well..... One: America isn't Germany. Two: our former free market healthcare system is responsible for most of the medical advances in the world. Three: the German socialist are responsible for for sending 6 million Jews to the gas chambers, and the deaths of 100 million people in WWII alone. Four: Obamacare is just a bunch of crony payoffs which caused my healthcare cost to rise 50%... So you can take your socialism and shove it....Hows that for a response bro?

Nice attempt at invoking Godwin, but it will not work.
The German health care system is still mostly free-market. I bet you didn't know that.

Perhaps, "bro", one day you will learn that ad hominem attacks do nothing to bolster your argument, assuming you had one to begin with.

Sadly the larger point is lost to you...Oh well...it is what it is

 

[Statistikhengst]

I am an American living and working in Germany. She is the Chancellor for BRD, she is not "my" Chancellor. I do not vote in German elections, I vote in US elections. Just to be crystal clear about this.

I'm risking being off topis here, but you push Obama and his policies while living in another continent and not directly effected by them. Does Obamacare cover you in Germany ? "Just to be crystal clear"

The things I choose to talk about are my business, not yours. Geography has nothing to do with it.
But since you were silly enough to bring it up, since I am working in a country with the oldest and most successful health care system in the world, I would say there is a lot that the USA could learn from Germany about practically every single facet of good, effective health care.

Your backhanded slap is noted. Guess that's what happens when you have no real argument to present, what?

Yeah? well..... One: America isn't Germany. Two: our former free market healthcare system is responsible for most of the medical advances in the world. Three: the German socialist are responsible for for sending 6 million Jews to the gas chambers, and the deaths of 100 million people in WWII alone. Four: Obamacare is just a bunch of crony payoffs which caused my healthcare cost to rise 50%... So you can take your socialism and shove it....Hows that for a response bro?

Nice attempt at invoking Godwin, but it will not work.
The German health care system is still mostly free-market. I bet you didn't know that.

Perhaps, "bro", one day you will learn that ad hominem attacks do nothing to bolster your argument, assuming you had one to begin with.

Sadly the larger point is lost to you...Oh well...it is what it is

There was no larger point. You were trolling, as usual, and when your last bit of semi-logic failed you, you went all Godwin. Pretty damned sick when a Jew goes all Godwin on another Jew. That is just plain old weird. Oh, well.... it is what it is.

 

[Jroc]

I am an American living and working in Germany. She is the Chancellor for BRD, she is not "my" Chancellor. I do not vote in German elections, I vote in US elections. Just to be crystal clear about this.

I'm risking being off topis here, but you push Obama and his policies while living in another continent and not directly effected by them. Does Obamacare cover you in Germany ? "Just to be crystal clear"

The things I choose to talk about are my business, not yours. Geography has nothing to do with it.
But since you were silly enough to bring it up, since I am working in a country with the oldest and most successful health care system in the world, I would say there is a lot that the USA could learn from Germany about practically every single facet of good, effective health care.

Your backhanded slap is noted. Guess that's what happens when you have no real argument to present, what?

Yeah? well..... One: America isn't Germany. Two: our former free market healthcare system is responsible for most of the medical advances in the world. Three: the German socialist are responsible for for sending 6 million Jews to the gas chambers, and the deaths of 100 million people in WWII alone. Four: Obamacare is just a bunch of crony payoffs which caused my healthcare cost to rise 50%... So you can take your socialism and shove it....Hows that for a response bro?

Nice attempt at invoking Godwin, but it will not work.
The German health care system is still mostly free-market. I bet you didn't know that.

Perhaps, "bro", one day you will learn that ad hominem attacks do nothing to bolster your argument, assuming you had one to begin with.

Sadly the larger point is lost to you...Oh well...it is what it is

There was no larger point. You were trolling, as usual, and when your last bit of semi-logic failed you, you went all Godwin. Pretty damned sick when a Jew goes all Godwin on another Jew. That is just plain old weird. Oh, well.... it is what it is.

To you there isn't because your mired in your blind ideology......Clouds the thinking. I care a bit more about "other Jews" which is why it bothers me more with you, but I'm way off topic... I'll be around though

 

[Desperado]

He voided the map because he did not want to screw up the previously democratic jerimandered map

 

[BreezeWood]

Florida judge approves new map for Congress - WINK-TV News

TALLAHASSEE, Fla.- A Florida judge is giving his approval to a new congressional map that was redrawn by state legislators.

But Circuit Judge Terry Lewis on Friday also said that this year's elections will not use the new boundaries. Instead voters will pick members of Congress based on a map he declared invalid back in July. Lewis opted against calling a special election based on the new map.

total waste of time ...

Capital Soup - Florida News Straight from the Source

League of Women Voters of Florida Responds to Judge Lewis’ Decision About New Congressional Map

Tallahassee, Fla — In response to today’s ruling by Judge Terry Lewis, which upheld the congressional map recently passed by the Florida Legislature, League of Women Voters of Florida counsel David King issued the following statement:

“We are disappointed and plan to ask the appellate courts to review Judge Lewis’ ruling.”

slight glimmer of hope for justice.

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[Mertex]

An update, and apparently, it WILL affect the 2014 mid-terms:


Florida judge: Redraw congressional map now - Tarini Parti - POLITICO.com

A Florida judge has asked the state legislature to redraw the state’s congressional map by Aug. 15, holding out the possibility that Florida could postpone some or all of its House elections until after the scheduled general election on Nov. 4.

After weeks of nudging from Democratic groups and uncertainty for candidates running in House races, Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis — who previously ruled the state’s congressional map violated the Florida Constitution — on Friday provided some clarity on how a new map could still affect the 2014 election...

...“There is just no way, legally or logistically, to put in place a new map, amend the various deadlines and have elections on November 4th, as prescribed by Federal law. … However it might be possible to push the general election date back to allow for a special election in 2014 for any affected districts.”

I don't recall anything like this ever happening before in my lifetime. I think (but am not 100% sure) that this is a first in electoral pollitics.

This would affect FL-05 and F-10, but there are 7 other districts that border either one or both of the the CD's in question and some of all of their boundaries could also be affected:

That would be FL-03, FL-04, FL-06, FL-11, FL-10, FL-07 and FL-09:

Also, in a way, it is quite unfair, because the primaries are already over and people who voted for someone in one district may find that they are casting their general election vote in a newly drawn "other" district.

I can imagine that this ruling and request will be litigated.

Hard to imagine a reason why District 5 would have to have that particular shape. Someone went to great lengths to insure some type of partisanship, what other explanation could there be! GEEZ!

 

[Statistikhengst]

An update, and apparently, it WILL affect the 2014 mid-terms:


Florida judge: Redraw congressional map now - Tarini Parti - POLITICO.com

A Florida judge has asked the state legislature to redraw the state’s congressional map by Aug. 15, holding out the possibility that Florida could postpone some or all of its House elections until after the scheduled general election on Nov. 4.

After weeks of nudging from Democratic groups and uncertainty for candidates running in House races, Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis — who previously ruled the state’s congressional map violated the Florida Constitution — on Friday provided some clarity on how a new map could still affect the 2014 election...

...“There is just no way, legally or logistically, to put in place a new map, amend the various deadlines and have elections on November 4th, as prescribed by Federal law. … However it might be possible to push the general election date back to allow for a special election in 2014 for any affected districts.”

I don't recall anything like this ever happening before in my lifetime. I think (but am not 100% sure) that this is a first in electoral pollitics.

This would affect FL-05 and F-10, but there are 7 other districts that border either one or both of the the CD's in question and some of all of their boundaries could also be affected:

That would be FL-03, FL-04, FL-06, FL-11, FL-10, FL-07 and FL-09:

Also, in a way, it is quite unfair, because the primaries are already over and people who voted for someone in one district may find that they are casting their general election vote in a newly drawn "other" district.

I can imagine that this ruling and request will be litigated.

Hard to imagine a reason why District 5 would have to have that particular shape. Someone went to great lengths to insure some type of partisanship, what other explanation could there be! GEEZ!

Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[BreezeWood]

Coalition appeals ruling on new map for Congress - WINK-TV News

Coalition appeals ruling on new map for Congress

TALLAHASSEE, Fla.- A coalition challenging Florida's congressional districts is taking its legal challenge to an appeals court.

The groups - which include the League of Women Voters of Florida - filed their official appeal notice on Friday.

A Florida judge last week approved a new congressional map. The new map alters seven of the state's existing 27 districts, but the changes will not take effect this year.

Voters in 2010 passed the "Fair Districts" amendment that says legislators cannot draw up districts to favor incumbents or a political party. A circuit judge in July ruled that two districts were invalid so legislators changed them.

The coalition in its appeals notice said it plans to ask the appeals court to send it up the Florida Supreme Court to resolve it before the 2016 elections.

just why this is happening now with an election just around the corner is anyone's guess ...

at any rate I believe this only involves the US Congressional district elections - if the judges have the conviction, postponing the elections should not be a hindrance in regards to the validity of gerrymandering that has transpired that is expressly prohibited in the new Florida Constitution ratified in 2010.


... but the changes will not take effect this year.

one must wonder, if the election is conducted using an illegal districting, how the judge could allow it to proceed ?

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