Florida Judge Rules ObamaCare Unconstitutional

[Dr Grump]

because you'd destroy everything good about the law for no reason.

the part you don't like is what pays for the rest of it.

Get rid of the whole thing and write something that IS constitutional....


Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to by insurance he doesn't want or need?

Are we going to start requiring city-dwelling high risers who don't own cars to buy auto insurance anyway to pay for the idiots who drive around without it?

does anyone else want to tackle these questions?

Is car insurance compulsory in the US?

Cards on table: In my homeland it is not. In Oz it is.....

 

[Dr.House]

Get rid of the whole thing and write something that IS constitutional....


Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to by insurance he doesn't want or need?

Are we going to start requiring city-dwelling high risers who don't own cars to buy auto insurance anyway to pay for the idiots who drive around without it?

does anyone else want to tackle these questions?

Is car insurance compulsory in the US?

Cards on table: In my homeland it is not. In Oz it is.....

That wasn't the question... The first one was the money question... The second was rhetorical....

Wanna try again?

 

[Dr Grump]

does anyone else want to tackle these questions?

Is car insurance compulsory in the US?

Cards on table: In my homeland it is not. In Oz it is.....

That wasn't the question... The first one was the money question... The second was rhetorical....

Wanna try again?

I was asking out of interest....

Anybody else want to tell?

 

[DiveCon]

Is car insurance compulsory in the US?

Cards on table: In my homeland it is not. In Oz it is.....

That wasn't the question... The first one was the money question... The second was rhetorical....

Wanna try again?

I was asking out of interest....

Anybody else want to tell?

it varies by state
some states do(most) some dont

 

[Dr.House]

Is car insurance compulsory in the US?

Cards on table: In my homeland it is not. In Oz it is.....

That wasn't the question... The first one was the money question... The second was rhetorical....

Wanna try again?

I was asking out of interest....

Anybody else want to tell?

It is if you drive a vehicle...

Wanna go for my question now?

 

[Dr Grump]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

 

[DiveCon]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

there is no "right" to drive a car
it is a privilege granted by the state, it comes with rules

 

[Dr.House]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

Not everyone drives a car... Insurance is compulsory if you do, though... swing and a miss...

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

Your failure to understand does not mean that the question "bit me"... pay attention... Forcing someone to buy something that isn't necessary just to pay for the people who can't afford it is unconstitutional...

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

Still doesn't answer my question... Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to buy insurance that he doesn't want or need?

Try answering without asking another question... it works better that way....

 

[Dr Grump]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

there is no "right" to drive a car
it is a privilege granted by the state, it comes with rules

There is no 'right' to have medical care either in your constitution? Is there?

 

[Dr Grump]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

Not everyone drives a car... Insurance is compulsory if you do, though... swing and a miss...

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

Your failure to understand does not mean that the question "bit me"... pay attention... Forcing someone to buy something that isn't necessary just to pay for the people who can't afford it is unconstitutional...

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

Still doesn't answer my question... Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to buy insurance that he doesn't want or need?

Try answering without asking another question... it works better that way....

Well it would help if you stopped trying to duck and weave and being your smarmy self. Your avatar may be House, but unless you are Hugh Laurie, you can't even pretend to be him...

If car insurance is compulsory, then why can't medicare be? Your argument is based on what is constitutional and what is not. If you have a problem with compulsory car insurance then at least your argument is consistant. If not, they it is hypocritical.

 

[DiveCon]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

The point is you brought up both questions 2 and 3 to back your point - rhetorical or not. If you're going to use something to illustrate your point, don't be surprised if it comes back and bites you in the butt.

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

there is no "right" to drive a car
it is a privilege granted by the state, it comes with rules

There is no 'right' to have medical care either in your constitution? Is there?

nope there isnt

 

[Flopper]

WTF does medicare have to do with this?.....NOTHING...Nice try though.

Liberals....riding the short bus to mediocrity

It means we might have Medicare for everyone. Woohoo.

Just not everyone has to pay for it. that's why you stole 960 billion dollars from those who had paid for it.. whoooo hooo. Thieves.

Not sure where the 960 billion came from. CMS (Center for Medicare Services) estimates the amount needed to implement the law is 882 billion over 10 years. The amount from Medicare savings is $541 billion not $970. The details are in the following CMS document.

https://www.cms.gov/ActuarialStudies/Downloads/S_PPACA_2010-01-08.pdf

Although 882 billion or 88 billion/yr is lot a money but by comparison it is just over half what we are spending in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely we aren’t going to be stupid enough to continue these wars for 10 years.

 

[Dr.House]

Well if car insurance is compulsory, is it constitutional.

Not everyone drives a car... Insurance is compulsory if you do, though... swing and a miss...


Your failure to understand does not mean that the question "bit me"... pay attention... Forcing someone to buy something that isn't necessary just to pay for the people who can't afford it is unconstitutional...

That aside, to your initial 'money' question, how do you make it constitutional? Non compulsory? Then what? More of the same as it was before?

Still doesn't answer my question... Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to buy insurance that he doesn't want or need?

Try answering without asking another question... it works better that way....

Well it would help if you stopped trying to duck and weave and being your smarmy self. You avatar may be House, but unless you are Hugh Laurie, you can't even pretend to be him...

I'm pretty smarmy IRL... It's not an act, so you'll have to live with it...

If car insurance is compulsory, then why can't medicare be?

not everyone drives.... should the big city hi-risers be forced to buy car insurance if they don't own a car and will never drive a vehicle?

Your argument is based on what is constitutional and what is not. If you have a problem with compulsory car insurance then at least your argument is consistant. If not, they it is hypocritical.

My argument is that nobody should be forced to purchase anything they don't need... Drivers need car insurance to be able to perform the privilege of driving ... humans don't need health insurance to perform the right to live...

 

[Dr Grump]

Not everyone drives a car... Insurance is compulsory if you do, though... swing and a miss...


Your failure to understand does not mean that the question "bit me"... pay attention... Forcing someone to buy something that isn't necessary just to pay for the people who can't afford it is unconstitutional...


Still doesn't answer my question... Why should a healthy 20-something be forced to buy insurance that he doesn't want or need?

Try answering without asking another question... it works better that way....

Well it would help if you stopped trying to duck and weave and being your smarmy self. You avatar may be House, but unless you are Hugh Laurie, you can't even pretend to be him...

I'm pretty smarmy IRL... It's not an act, so you'll have to live with it...

If car insurance is compulsory, then why can't medicare be?

not everyone drives.... should the big city hi-risers be forced to buy car insurance if they don't own a car and will never drive a vehicle?

Your argument is based on what is constitutional and what is not. If you have a problem with compulsory car insurance then at least your argument is consistant. If not, they it is hypocritical.

My argument is that nobody should be forced to purchase anything they don't need... Drivers need car insurance to be able to perform the privilege of driving ... humans don't need health insurance to perform the right to live...

I'm an excellent driver. Have never had an accident in 27 years of driving. Why should I be forced to buy insurance because some people are terrible drivers?

You don't need health insurance for the right to live. If I live in the states and don't have insurance, what happens if I am diagnosed with a life threatening disease...

 

[Dr.House]

Well it would help if you stopped trying to duck and weave and being your smarmy self. You avatar may be House, but unless you are Hugh Laurie, you can't even pretend to be him...

I'm pretty smarmy IRL... It's not an act, so you'll have to live with it...


not everyone drives.... should the big city hi-risers be forced to buy car insurance if they don't own a car and will never drive a vehicle?

Your argument is based on what is constitutional and what is not. If you have a problem with compulsory car insurance then at least your argument is consistant. If not, they it is hypocritical.

My argument is that nobody should be forced to purchase anything they don't need... Drivers need car insurance to be able to perform the privilege of driving ... humans don't need health insurance to perform the right to live...

I'm an excellent driver. Have never had an accident in 27 years of driving. Why should I be forced to buy insurance because some people are terrible drivers?

Still answering questions with questions, huh?... Insurance also protects you from the other drivers who may not be excellent drivers... But if you don't drive you don't need to purchase car insurance... With 0bamacare, all are being required to carry insurance, which is similar to asking the non-drivers to carry car insurance...

You don't need health insurance for the right to live.

yet 0bamacare is requiring you carry it anyway...

If I live in the states and don't have insurance, what happens if I am diagnosed with a life threatening disease...

depends... a lot of charities exist as well as other non profits who are willing to help people out who need helping...

Sometimes the dice comes up snake eyes and sometimes it comes up boxcars... I don't need the gubmint to tell me I have to be covered for a bad dice roll if I'm in a low risk group...

 

[Dr Grump]

Still answering questions with questions, huh?... Insurance also protects you from the other drivers who may not be excellent drivers... But if you don't drive you don't need to purchase car insurance... With 0bamacare, all are being required to carry insurance, which is similar to asking the non-drivers to carry car insurance....

I disagree with your assessment. If a non-driver NEVER drives then why would he need insurance? However, a human being, as some stage in life, will need health care. I have yet to meet a human who has never died.

However I have met a few who have never driven....

 

[Dr.House]

Still answering questions with questions, huh?... Insurance also protects you from the other drivers who may not be excellent drivers... But if you don't drive you don't need to purchase car insurance... With 0bamacare, all are being required to carry insurance, which is similar to asking the non-drivers to carry car insurance....

I disagree with your assessment. If a non-driver NEVER drives then why would he need insurance. However, a human being, as some stage in live, will need health care. I have yet to meet a human who has never died.

However I have met a few who have never driven....

Does a person NEED healthcare insurance at 20-ish with low risk and no history of any life threatening diseases? I say no and it should NOT be the gubmint's decision that he must...

Why are some people "exempt" from 0bamacare?

 

[Article 15]

What happens to the 20-something year old who chose not to buy insurance after they are diagnosed with Hodgkins disease?

 

[Dr.House]

What happens to the 20-something year old who chose not to buy insurance after they are diagnosed with Hodgkins disease?

What if he isn't diagnosed with Hodgkins? (if you want to play the "what if" game...)

Shouldn't that guy be allowed to roll the dice if he want's to?



BTW, There are lots of charities and non-profits out there to help those who need it... but I digress...

 

[Article 15]

What happens to the 20-something year old who chose not to buy insurance after they are diagnosed with Hodgkins disease?

What if he isn't diagnosed with Hodgkins? (if you want to play the "what if" game...)

Shouldn't that guy be allowed to roll the dice if he want's to?



BTW, There are lots of charities and non-profits out there to help those who need it... but I digress...

Unable to come up with an answer, House responds with a question of his own.

I recall someone bringing that up earlier in the thread....