Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis To Sign Bill Banning Social Media ‘Deplatforming’

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

It's a nice, yet disgusting little work-around.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

what grounds? Butthurt?

On the grounds that FaceBook is suppressing one side of the issues

Why should a private company be forced into promoting conspiracy nonsense that's harmful to the nation?

Why should they be able to hide from that OPINION being shared on an Opinion site.

Because lies like that, being propagated by the president no less, are harmful to the nation.

Why do you hate America?

The answer to bad speech (alleged lies) is MORE speech, not censorship. Convince us otherwise. Don't silence it.

 

[dblack]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

 

[colfax_m]

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them.

That's false.

 

[DrLove]

Has this been slapped down like a bitch by federal judge yet?

I think it will have to wait until they try to enforce it. If they ever do. This is mostly likely just grandstanding.

Yea, funny that RonAnon thinks he has any power over rules established by international companies like FB & Twit though.
Whadda Twit

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

Well, tell me. What do you think they are doing?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them.

That's false.

Of course. Facebook should ban anyone for suggesting it, right?


(the trap has already closed in on my point. Thank you)

 

[colfax_m]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

That’s up to Facebook. If I felt strongly about it I wouldn’t rely on someone else to publish my speech for me, I’d publish it on my own website.

Facebook couldn’t stop me.

 

[dblack]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

Well, tell me. What do you think they are doing?

I think they just don't like Trump's trolling. This impulse to see conspiracy behind every. single. thing. is nuts.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

That’s up to Facebook. If I felt strongly about it I wouldn’t rely on someone else to publish my speech for me, I’d publish it on my own website.

Facebook couldn’t stop me.

So, Facebook is acting like a publisher? Facebook can be held liable for any slander on its publication?

Beyond that, from a simple practicality standpoint, isn't it better to NOT ban opposing voices on a "platform" designed to allow individuals to express their opinions? Isn't it better to simple speak in opposition and reveal the truth?

But, whatever. You can hardly deny that banning anyone questioning the results of the election is NOT doing the bidding of government. That's plain as day, when government has an interest in keeping the people under control.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

Well, tell me. What do you think they are doing?

I think they just don't like Trump's trolling. This impulse to see conspiracy behind every. single. thing. is nuts.

And rather than present opposing commentary, they just silence him, which is doing the bidding of government in its effort to try and prevent an uprising and instability. Call it what you want. It's doing for government what the constitution forbids the government from doing.

 

[dblack]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

That’s up to Facebook. If I felt strongly about it I wouldn’t rely on someone else to publish my speech for me, I’d publish it on my own website.

Facebook couldn’t stop me.

So, Facebook is acting like a publisher? Facebook can be held liable for any slander on its publication?

Is there a hand jerking off emoji? We really need a hand jerking off emoji.

Sorry - but the publisher/liability/230 horseshit is a flimsy, and painfully obvious, excuse for political retribution. Period. Full stop.

But, whatever. You can hardly deny that banning anyone questioning the results of the election is NOT doing the bidding of government. That's plain as day, when government has an interest in keeping the people under control.

Uh... they did this kind of banning and censoring when Trump was still President. Are you saying the did it on his command? WTF? Get your story straight.

 

[colfax_m]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

That’s up to Facebook. If I felt strongly about it I wouldn’t rely on someone else to publish my speech for me, I’d publish it on my own website.

Facebook couldn’t stop me.

So, Facebook is acting like a publisher? Facebook can be held liable for any slander on its publication?

Beyond that, from a simple practicality standpoint, isn't it better to NOT ban opposing voices on a "platform" designed to allow individuals to express their opinions? Isn't it better to simple speak in opposition and reveal the truth?

But, whatever. You can hardly deny that banning anyone questioning the results of the election is NOT doing the bidding of government. That's plain as day, when government has an interest in keeping the people under control.

Of course they’re acting like a publisher. They are publishing the content submitted by users onto the internet.

But the law says that they aren’t liable for that content which makes sense given the nature of these websites. It’s impossible for them to approve it all.

In an ideal world, having more speech would be better but the algorithms of these platforms is designed to reinforce ideas rather than challenge them. That’s how people wind up getting radicalized.

The government was not telling social media platforms to ban people doubting the election results. It simply didn’t happen. Therefore it cannot be said they’re doing their “bidding”.

 

[dblack]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

Well, tell me. What do you think they are doing?

I think they just don't like Trump's trolling. This impulse to see conspiracy behind every. single. thing. is nuts.

And rather than present opposing commentary, they just silence him, which is doing the bidding of government in its effort to try and prevent an uprising and instability. Call it what you want. It's doing for government what the constitution forbids the government from doing.

This is just whining. They're not doing anything "for the government". They just happen to agree with the government. And that pisses you off. Too bad.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

In an ideal world, having more speech would be better but the algorithms of these platforms is designed to reinforce ideas rather than challenge them. That’s how people wind up getting radicalized.

And THAT is the real problem. How can Facebook deny responsibility for the actions of the algorithms they put into motion? Product liability standards have been completely ignored. PL lawyers would have a field day with that.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You don't understand the difference between a business and government.

i understand it quite well

Utilities are private businesses regulated by government

Oh, so now you're declaring private business to be "utilities" so that government can control them. Socialist much?

Normally I would agree, but in this situation, government is already controlling them. They are doing the bidding of government. They are being used by government as both a shield and a sword so government can fuck us all over without getting its greedy, incompetent hands on anything.

Proof? Evidence?

Well, tell me. What do you think they are doing?

I think they just don't like Trump's trolling. This impulse to see conspiracy behind every. single. thing. is nuts.

And rather than present opposing commentary, they just silence him, which is doing the bidding of government in its effort to try and prevent an uprising and instability. Call it what you want. It's doing for government what the constitution forbids the government from doing.

This is just whining. They're not doing anything "for the government". They just happen to agree with the government. And that pisses you off. Too bad.

So, you don't have a problem with, say, a guy like Trump calling up Jack Dorsey and telling him that he (Trump) will use his powers of office to do XYZ unless Twitter bans anything on ABC topic, and such action by Twitter will give political cover for Trump, which will end up screwing you in the end. Then, worried about such action by Trump, Dorsey does as commanded.

Government action?

 

[Mac-7]

they did this banning and censoring when Trump was President. Are you saying the did it on his command? WTF? Get your story straigh

Your reasoning is faulty

Democrats were the disloyal opposition while trump was in office but they were still the party of big government

And now the dems are back in power giving FaceBook even more incentive to serve democrat party interests

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Not lies. Perfectly accurate. Trump used the DoJ to bail out his political buddies like Flynn. Meanwhile, he was sending Giuliani to tell Ukraine to put fake stories about Biden in the press oh and meanwhile he's going to suspend foreign aid to them for no particular reason. Yeah, that's Trump acting like a fascist. Specifically Trump.

See, I think that's a lie.

Should Facebook ban you from saying that? Make it removable content?

What's a better way that doesn't muzzle the opposition?

That’s up to Facebook. If I felt strongly about it I wouldn’t rely on someone else to publish my speech for me, I’d publish it on my own website.

Facebook couldn’t stop me.

So, Facebook is acting like a publisher? Facebook can be held liable for any slander on its publication?

Is there a hand jerking off emoji? We really need a hand jerking off emoji.

Sorry - but the publisher/liability/230 horseshit is a flimsy, and painfully obvious, excuse for political retribution. Period. Full stop.

But, whatever. You can hardly deny that banning anyone questioning the results of the election is NOT doing the bidding of government. That's plain as day, when government has an interest in keeping the people under control.

Uh... they did this kind of banning and censoring when Trump was still President. Are you saying the did it on his command? WTF? Get your story straight.

Of course, no government actor would try to influence social media giants EXCEPT Trump. No one else in government has that power or influence.


Here. I'll give you the jerking off emoji. I created it myself out of other emoji. Use it on yourself for lack of foresight and inability to read between the lines.

 

[colfax_m]

In an ideal world, having more speech would be better but the algorithms of these platforms is designed to reinforce ideas rather than challenge them. That’s how people wind up getting radicalized.

And THAT is the real problem. How can Facebook deny responsibility for the actions of the algorithms they put into motion? Product liability standards have been completely ignored. PL lawyers would have a field day with that.

Because Facebook doesn’t submit the content and has no ability to approve everything being posted. It’s absolutely impractical to expect them to do so.