hi all.
Long time reader, first time poster.
I came across this thread and had to register when i click through to the links for pilots for 9/11 truth.
I have a bit of knowledge in aviation and i found this very interesting. This is based on the flight data recorder information for united 93. (i've removed the source url's as i'm not allowed to post them till i have 15 posts.)
press release
for immediate release
12/22/07
pilots for 9/11 truth
united 93 data provided by us government does not support observed events
pilots for 9/11 truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the national transportation and safety board (ntsb) via the freedom of information act to obtain united flight 93 flight data recorder information, consisting of a comma separated value (csv) file and flight path animation, allegedly derived from flight 93 flight data recorder (fdr). The data provided by the ntsb contradict observed events in several significant ways:
1. The ntsb flight path animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.
2. All altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the new york times.
3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by popular mechanics and the us govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over indian lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in new baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the us govt.
4. Environmental protection agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.
5. Impact angle according to flight data recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.
In may, 2007, members of pilots for 9/11 truth received these documents from the ntsb and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, pilots for 9/11 truth has concluded that the information in these ntsb documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that united airlines flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in somerset county, pa on the morning of september 11, 2001 .according to the us govt, united airlines flight 93 approached somerset county from the north-northwest at a high altitude on the morning of september 11, 2001 . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path. Also according to reports, and as the impact crater suggests, united airlines flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the flight data recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.
The information provided by the us government does not support reports of united airlines flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at somerset country, pa.
Pilots for 9/11 truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of september 11, 2001 . We have contacted both the ntsb and the fbi regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the fdr of united flight 93 and the events observed. .as concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, pilots for 9/11 truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the united states government? Pilots for 9/11 truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information and in depth analysis please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.
Members of pilots for 9/11 truth at pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)core
here are just some of their members. (many more in the link above.)
captain russ wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ total flight time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, dc-8, l-1049, learjet 24/25, l-188
ground instructor, advanced ground instructor, instrument instructor, flight engineer turbojet
aircraft dispatcher
pan am, united
united states air force (ret)
over 100 combat missions flown
command time in:
- n591ua (aircraft dispatched as united 93)
- n612ua (aircraft dispatched as united 175)
captain ross aimer
ual ret.
Ceo, aviation experts llc
40 years and 30,000 hrs.
Bs aero
a&p mech.
B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, dc-10/-9/-8 type ratings
command time in:
- n591ua (aircraft dispatched as united 93)
- n612ua (aircraft dispatched as united 175)
commander ralph “rotten” kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
b757/767 for 13 years mostly international captain with american airlines.
20 years us navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, topgun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
command time in:
- n644aa (aircraft dispatched as american 77)
- n334aa (aircraft dispatched as american 11)
john lear
son of bill lear
(founder, creator of the lear jet corporation)
more than 40 years of flying
19,000+ tt
23 type ratings
flight experience includes 707, dc-8, 727, l10-11
jeff latas
-over 20 years in the usaf
--usaf accident investigation board president
--flew the f-111, t38, and f-15e
--combat experience in the f-15e includes desert storm and four tours of duty in northern and southern watch
--weapons requirements officer, usaf hq, pentagon
--standard and evaluations flight examiner, command level
-currently captain for jetblue airways
guy s. Razer, ltcol, usaf (ret)
3,500+ hours total flight time
f-15e/c, f-111a/d/e/f/ef, f-16, f-18, b-1, mig-29, su-22, t-37/38, various cvilian prop
combat time: Operation northern watch
usaf fighter weapons school instructor
nato tactical leadership program instructor/mission coordinator
usaf material command weapons development test pilot
combat support coordination team 2 airpower coordinator, south korea
all service combat identification evaluation team operations officer
boeing f-22 pilot instructor
ms aeronautical studies, embry-riddle aeronautical university
dwain deets
ms physics, ms eng
former director, aerospace projects, nasa dryden flight research center
served as director, research engineering division at dryden
recipient of the nasa exceptional service award
presidential meritorious rank award in the senior executive service (1988)
selected presenter of the wright brothers lectureship in aeronautics
associate fellow - american institute of aeronautics and astronautics (aiaa)
included in "who's who in science and engineering" 1993 - 2000
former chairman of the aerospace control and guidance systems
- committee of the society of automotive engineers
former member, aiaa committee on society and aerospace technology
37 year nasa career
lt. Colonel shelton f. Lankford
united states marine corps (ret)
a-4 skyhawk, kc-130 (10,000+ hours)
s-2, t-1, f9f, f-11, ov-10, t-2j
303 combat missions