First road closure under Shutnado

[Quantum Windbag]

How are you so certain that the majority didn't want Obamacare?

Only half of them voted for it in Congress. Or perhaps you didn't see the polls stating that the majority opposed it? What majority? Geez, educate yourself.

Please feel free to take up the mantle of educator.
The figures I have are that Senate votes were 60-39 and House votes were 219-212.
Is this not a majority in Congress?
I freely admit my maths is a bit shaky.

My math might be a little off, but I am pretty sure that 279 isn't even close to a majority in a country of 300 million. The fact that you have to resort to those 279 people in an attempt to prove that the majority of a country supports Obamacare proves how sad your position is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm interested in this email supposedly instructing federal workers to 'make life as difficult as possible'.
I can only find reference back to a statement by one park ranger.
Are there any others?
Has the email been posted somewhere on the intertubes?

No good?
This was the premise for the OP after all.

The premise of the OP is that the entire fake shutdown is a continuation of the sequester policy.

I should know, I wrote it.

 

[Pogo]

Obama ordered them to make it as hard as possible, and they are following orders with enthusiasm.

'All about power and leverage' -- feds shut down major roadway, block access to graveyard | Fox News

Don't worry @Pogo, it is a Photshop closure.

Truly your ignorance is infinite. That road can in no conceivable way be considered a "major thorughfare". Though it is pretty -- a road you take for its scenery. Wilderness, kind of like the Blue Ridge Parkway. Consider the source: Fox Noise.

Oh wait, we forgot -- I live in the area and actually know that road. You don't.

I must have missed it, where did I say it was a major thoroughfare? Where did the article I cited say it was a major thoroughfare?

It is nice of you to jump in with your expected defense of the government, after all, if the park service can't patrol the road it will fall apart. It will probably take weeks to repair after the fake government shutdown even without traffic using it everyday.

Yeah you must have missed that. I put it in bold. Perhaps you need it in 56 point type as well.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

A "major thoroughfare" that, last time I got on there (August) my GPS didn't even know where I was, chirping "proceed to the nearest road".

This (post) has nothing to do with the government, or O'bama, or the NPS. It's about Fox Noise and its slanted reporting.

Or didn't you get that...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Truly your ignorance is infinite. That road can in no conceivable way be considered a "major thorughfare". Though it is pretty -- a road you take for its scenery. Wilderness, kind of like the Blue Ridge Parkway. Consider the source: Fox Noise.

Oh wait, we forgot -- I live in the area and actually know that road. You don't.

I must have missed it, where did I say it was a major thoroughfare? Where did the article I cited say it was a major thoroughfare?

It is nice of you to jump in with your expected defense of the government, after all, if the park service can't patrol the road it will fall apart. It will probably take weeks to repair after the fake government shutdown even without traffic using it everyday.

Yeah you must have missed that. I put it in bold. Perhaps you need it in 56 point type as well.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

A "major thoroughfare" that, last time I got on there (August) my GPS didn't even know where I was, chirping "proceed to the nearest road".

This (post) has nothing to do with the government, or O'bama, or the NPS. It's about Fox Noise and its slanted reporting.

Or didn't you get that...

I forgot, you are an idiot, you think your GPS is the be all and end all of defining how important a road is locally.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

I have lived in areas where the major road was a dinky road where you had to pull to the side if you met oncoming traffic because every other road was dirt. If you were half the driving enthusiast you pretend to be you wouldn't even have a GPS.

 

[Pogo]

I must have missed it, where did I say it was a major thoroughfare? Where did the article I cited say it was a major thoroughfare?

It is nice of you to jump in with your expected defense of the government, after all, if the park service can't patrol the road it will fall apart. It will probably take weeks to repair after the fake government shutdown even without traffic using it everyday.

Yeah you must have missed that. I put it in bold. Perhaps you need it in 56 point type as well.

A "major thoroughfare" that, last time I got on there (August) my GPS didn't even know where I was, chirping "proceed to the nearest road".

This (post) has nothing to do with the government, or O'bama, or the NPS. It's about Fox Noise and its slanted reporting.

Or didn't you get that...

I forgot, you are an idiot, you think your GPS is the be all and end all of defining how important a road is locally.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

I have lived in areas where the major road was a dinky road where you had to pull to the side if you met oncoming traffic because every other road was dirt. If you were half the driving enthusiast you pretend to be you wouldn't even have a GPS.

Perhaps we're unclear on what a GPS is....

In my work I need to travel to a lot of cities/towns to a specific address I haven't been to before, and I need to be there in timely fashion. I'm not about to stop every other block to peruse a map, or to print out Google Maps turn-by-turns. So I poke the GPS and that's what it's there for. However, in places familiar I still have it on for other practical info, including elevation, geographic coordinates, true speed and most helpfully, ETA. So driving "enthusiast" or not (I do like to drive but it's also a necessity), to suggest that I should self-taboo a perfectly legitimate tool is I guess commensurate with the rest of your body of illlogic. But then it's my driving, not yours, and I promise you the GPS has no influence on how I take a 180° switchback.

In any case my assessment of Foothills Parkway (which BTW has very recently been under construction/reconstruction addressing landslides*) is eyewitness experience; the GPS is merely an illustration for the dullwitted, since it's impossible for me to slap a virtual goggle on your head to show you what I see. And if you blink on the main highway (129) you'll miss the road altogether. As I recall there's not even a sign in one direction.

(*the rest of that story is that the road isn't even completed yet, even without landslides. Think that might have something to do with closing it?)

Again, it's a very nice road if what you're out for is bird watching. Here's what your "major thoroughfare" actually looks like:

But of curse if you're Fox Noise, you hold these truths to be self-limiting, and you start inflating the subject like a 1922 German Mark, as long as that inflation tenders the ultimate goal.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yeah you must have missed that. I put it in bold. Perhaps you need it in 56 point type as well.

A "major thoroughfare" that, last time I got on there (August) my GPS didn't even know where I was, chirping "proceed to the nearest road".

This (post) has nothing to do with the government, or O'bama, or the NPS. It's about Fox Noise and its slanted reporting.

Or didn't you get that...

I forgot, you are an idiot, you think your GPS is the be all and end all of defining how important a road is locally.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

I have lived in areas where the major road was a dinky road where you had to pull to the side if you met oncoming traffic because every other road was dirt. If you were half the driving enthusiast you pretend to be you wouldn't even have a GPS.

Perhaps we're unclear on what a GPS is....

In my work I need to travel to a lot of cities/towns to a specific address I haven't been to before, and I need to be there in timely fashion. I'm not about to stop every other block to peruse a map, or to print out Google Maps turn-by-turns. So I poke the GPS and that's what it's there for. However, in places familiar I still have it on for other practical info, including elevation, geographic coordinates, true speed and most helpfully, ETA. So driving "enthusiast" or not (I do like to drive but it's also a necessity), to suggest that I should self-taboo a perfectly legitimate tool is I guess commensurate with the rest of your body of illlogic. But then it's my driving, not yours, and I promise you the GPS has no influence on how I take a 180° switchback.

In any case my assessment of Foothills Parkway (which BTW has very recently been under construction/reconstruction addressing landslides*) is eyewitness experience; the GPS is merely an illustration for the dullwitted, since it's impossible for me to slap a virtual goggle on your head to show you what I see. And if you blink on the main highway (129) you'll miss the road altogether. As I recall there's not even a sign in one direction.

(*the rest of that story is that the road isn't even completed yet, even without landslides. Think that might have something to do with closing it?)

Again, it's a very nice road if what you're out for is bird watching. Here's what your "major thoroughfare" actually looks like:

But of curse if you're Fox Noise, you hold these truths to be self-limiting, and you start inflating the subject like a 1922 German Mark, as long as that inflation tenders the ultimate goal.

I used to do that all the time before they invented GPS. In fact, billions of people did. Idiots that need GPS to get places end up in the worng place.

8 drivers who blindly followed their GPS into disaster - The Week

 

[Pogo]

^^ Now he thinks the thread is about how GPS works

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You people wanted a government shutdown, live with it. You think that you can just shut down the government and arrange it so the consequences fall only on those you don't like?

Something to think about. A number of Interstates pass through military bases. The bases own those roads, and can shut them down at will. I-5 at Fort Lewis is one example. After 17Oct13, who knows what will happen?

Actually WE the people own it.

Who the **** do you think paid for it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

^^ Now he thinks the thread is about how GPS works

Aren't you the guy that tried to say that, because your GPS doesn't have the road, it isn't really a road?

 

[Pogo]

^^ Now he thinks the thread is about how GPS works

Aren't you the guy that tried to say that, because your GPS doesn't have the road, it isn't really a road?

No Windy -- that causality was your own fallacy. With which you seem to have some kind of onanistic relationship.
Besides which, the point that the post I mocked tried to make was that "idiots following their GPS end up in the wrong place". Which only serves to affirm my anecdote. Think about it.

 

[idb]

I'm interested in this email supposedly instructing federal workers to 'make life as difficult as possible'.
I can only find reference back to a statement by one park ranger.
Are there any others?
Has the email been posted somewhere on the intertubes?

No good?
This was the premise for the OP after all.

The premise of the OP is that the entire fake shutdown is a continuation of the sequester policy.

I should know, I wrote it.

As I thought, no proof exists.
Oh well, keep repeating it anyway as per Standard Operating Procedure.

 

[idb]

Only half of them voted for it in Congress. Or perhaps you didn't see the polls stating that the majority opposed it? What majority? Geez, educate yourself.

Please feel free to take up the mantle of educator.
The figures I have are that Senate votes were 60-39 and House votes were 219-212.
Is this not a majority in Congress?
I freely admit my maths is a bit shaky.

My math might be a little off, but I am pretty sure that 279 isn't even close to a majority in a country of 300 million. The fact that you have to resort to those 279 people in an attempt to prove that the majority of a country supports Obamacare proves how sad your position is.

The US is no longer a representative democracy?
When did that happen?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No good?
This was the premise for the OP after all.

The premise of the OP is that the entire fake shutdown is a continuation of the sequester policy.

I should know, I wrote it.

As I thought, no proof exists.
Oh well, keep repeating it anyway as per Standard Operating Procedure.

Of course it doesn't, for you.

For the rest of the world, there is plenty of proof.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Please feel free to take up the mantle of educator.
The figures I have are that Senate votes were 60-39 and House votes were 219-212.
Is this not a majority in Congress?
I freely admit my maths is a bit shaky.

My math might be a little off, but I am pretty sure that 279 isn't even close to a majority in a country of 300 million. The fact that you have to resort to those 279 people in an attempt to prove that the majority of a country supports Obamacare proves how sad your position is.

The US is no longer a representative democracy?
When did that happen?

Not according to Obama. If you don't like that, take it up with him and his insistence that the House has to do things his way.

Wait, you actually agree with him, yet want to argue that, because we a a republic, you can pretend that 279 is a majority in a country of 300 million. Funny how that only works when you win, isn't it?

 

[idb]

My math might be a little off, but I am pretty sure that 279 isn't even close to a majority in a country of 300 million. The fact that you have to resort to those 279 people in an attempt to prove that the majority of a country supports Obamacare proves how sad your position is.

The US is no longer a representative democracy?
When did that happen?

Not according to Obama. If you don't like that, take it up with him and his insistence that the House has to do things his way.

Wait, you actually agree with him, yet want to argue that, because we a a republic, you can pretend that 279 is a majority in a country of 300 million. Funny how that only works when you win, isn't it?

Now I know you're trolling.
You couldn't be as dumb as this and still find the keyboard.
Cheers.

 

[Alfalfa]

Obama ordered them to make it as hard as possible, and they are following orders with enthusiasm.

"It’s almost like they are pushing to see how far they can push before the American people say enough is enough,” said Ed Mitchell, the mayor of Blount County, Tenn. “We were founded on a declaration of independence. And they are about to push the people to the line again.” Nearly a third of Blount County is inside the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. So when the federal government shut down the park, it also shut down one of the area’s chief sources of revenue.
The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county. The closure came without warning and left the local school district scrambling to get children back to their homes.
The children live in the eastern Tennessee community of Top of the World – serviced by School Bus 49. Normally, the bus travels along the Foothills Parkway. Other roads leading to the isolated mountain community are impassible by bus.

'All about power and leverage' -- feds shut down major roadway, block access to graveyard | Fox News

Don't worry [MENTION=41527]Pogo[/MENTION], it is a Photshop closure.

I "thanked" you if for nothing more than the witty creation of "Shutnado"!

Hilarious...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually WE the people own it.

Who the **** do you think paid for it?

Paid for Yellowstone, that's a good one...

Who got paid? How much?

Communists.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

the us is no longer a representative democracy?
When did that happen?

1787.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The US is no longer a representative democracy?
When did that happen?

Not according to Obama. If you don't like that, take it up with him and his insistence that the House has to do things his way.

Wait, you actually agree with him, yet want to argue that, because we a a republic, you can pretend that 279 is a majority in a country of 300 million. Funny how that only works when you win, isn't it?

Now I know you're trolling.
You couldn't be as dumb as this and still find the keyboard.
Cheers.

I see.

When Obama tells the House of Representatives that he will not accept anything that doesn't give him everything he wants he is actually holding up the ideal of a republic where the House is the direct representative of the people.

I wonder if we can cite any historical documents to back your position up.

The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure. But will not the House of Representatives be as much interested as the Senate in maintaining the government in its proper functions, and will they not therefore be unwilling to stake its existence or its reputation on the pliancy of the Senate? Or, if such a trial of firmness between the two branches were hazarded, would not the one be as likely first to yield as the other? These questions will create no difficulty with those who reflect that in all cases the smaller the number, and the more permanent and conspicuous the station, of men in power, the stronger must be the interest which they will individually feel in whatever concerns the government.
Those who represent the dignity of their country in the eyes of other nations, will be particularly sensible to every prospect of public danger, or of dishonorable stagnation in public affairs. To those causes we are to ascribe the continual triumph of the British House of Commons over the other branches of the government, whenever the engine of a money bill has been employed. An absolute inflexibility on the side of the latter, although it could not have failed to involve every department of the state in the general confusion, has neither been apprehended nor experienced. The utmost degree of firmness that can be displayed by the federal Senate or President, will not be more than equal to a resistance in which they will be supported by constitutional and patriotic principles. In this review of the Constitution of the House of Representatives, I have passed over the circumstances of economy, which, in the present state of affairs, might have had some effect in lessening the temporary number of representatives, and a disregard of which would probably have been as rich a theme of declamation against the Constitution as has been shown by the smallness of the number proposed. I omit also any remarks on the difficulty which might be found, under present circumstances, in engaging in the federal service a large number of such characters as the people will probably elect.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 58

Wait, that contradicts Obama, and you, my bad.

Maybe you can find something. After all, I am so dumb I can't ever find the keyboard.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yeah you must have missed that. I put it in bold. Perhaps you need it in 56 point type as well.

A "major thoroughfare" that, last time I got on there (August) my GPS didn't even know where I was, chirping "proceed to the nearest road".

This (post) has nothing to do with the government, or O'bama, or the NPS. It's about Fox Noise and its slanted reporting.

Or didn't you get that...

I forgot, you are an idiot, you think your GPS is the be all and end all of defining how important a road is locally.

The National Park Service also closed the Foothills Parkway, a major thoroughfare in the county.

I have lived in areas where the major road was a dinky road where you had to pull to the side if you met oncoming traffic because every other road was dirt. If you were half the driving enthusiast you pretend to be you wouldn't even have a GPS.

Perhaps we're unclear on what a GPS is....

In my work I need to travel to a lot of cities/towns to a specific address I haven't been to before, and I need to be there in timely fashion. I'm not about to stop every other block to peruse a map, or to print out Google Maps turn-by-turns. So I poke the GPS and that's what it's there for. However, in places familiar I still have it on for other practical info, including elevation, geographic coordinates, true speed and most helpfully, ETA. So driving "enthusiast" or not (I do like to drive but it's also a necessity), to suggest that I should self-taboo a perfectly legitimate tool is I guess commensurate with the rest of your body of illlogic. But then it's my driving, not yours, and I promise you the GPS has no influence on how I take a 180° switchback.

In any case my assessment of Foothills Parkway (which BTW has very recently been under construction/reconstruction addressing landslides*) is eyewitness experience; the GPS is merely an illustration for the dullwitted, since it's impossible for me to slap a virtual goggle on your head to show you what I see. And if you blink on the main highway (129) you'll miss the road altogether. As I recall there's not even a sign in one direction.

(*the rest of that story is that the road isn't even completed yet, even without landslides. Think that might have something to do with closing it?)

Again, it's a very nice road if what you're out for is bird watching. Here's what your "major thoroughfare" actually looks like:

But of curse if you're Fox Noise, you hold these truths to be self-limiting, and you start inflating the subject like a 1922 German Mark, as long as that inflation tenders the ultimate goal.

News flash: in many places, that is what major thoroughfares look like! I have driven many roads that look like that, some county roads, many state highways, and several even FEDERAL highways! (Offhand, sizable stretches of US6, 44, and 209 look a lot like that.) As in this case, the alternate routes are smaller...sometimes, not even paved.