Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BH0zhjbspc]YouTube - Dallas Swat Raid[/ame]They might have given the guy enough time to cool down, actually preventing a mass murder.
I'll have to hear way more of this story before I form an opinion.
It was bound to happen after we invaded Iraq before the crime was comitted.
" Bloom says the police are permitted to make a determination on their own to take someone in for a mental health evaluationthere's no requirement that they first consult with a judge or mental health professional."
this is a local Oregon state Law.
Pre-Crime Policing
Allegedly “disgruntled” man has his guns seized, and “voluntarily” surrenders to two SWAT teams and dozens of police officers for a crime that hadn’t been committed
...
Damned if you do....damned if you don't
If they had the opportunity and did nothing and the guy went postal, all the threads would be...."Why didn't they act sooner given the evidence?
Case in point Maj Hassan in Ft Hood
And worse still, this is technically legal under the Patriot Act's "Lone Wolf" provision.Pre-Crime Policing
Allegedly disgruntled man has his guns seized, and voluntarily surrenders to two SWAT teams and dozens of police officers for a crime that hadnt been committed
To hear them tell it, the five police agencies who apprehended 39-year-old Oregonian David Pyles early on the morning of March 8 thwarted another lone wolf mass murderer. The police "were able to successfully take a potentially volatile male subject into protective custody for a mental evaluation," announced a press release put out by the Medford, Oregon, police department. The subject had recently been placed on administrative leave from his job, was "very disgruntled," and had recently purchased several firearms. "Local Law Enforcement agencies were extremely concerned that the subject was planning retaliation against his employers," the release said. Fortunately, Pyles "voluntarily" turned himself over to police custody, and the legally purchased firearms "were seized for safekeeping."
This voluntary exchange involved two SWAT teams, police officers from Medford and nearby Rosewood, sheriff's deputies from Jackson and Douglas counties, and the Oregon State Police. Oregon State Police Sgt. Jeff Proulx explained to South Oregon's Mail Tribune why the operation was such a success: "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach."
There's just one problem: David Pyles hadn't committed any crime, nor was he suspected of having committed one. The police never obtained a warrant for either search or arrest. They never consulted with a judge or mental health professional before sending out the military-style tactical teams to take Pyle in.
"They woke me up with a phone call at about 5:50 in the morning," Pyles told me in a phone interview Friday. "I looked out the window and saw the SWAT team pointing their guns at my house. The officer on the phone told me to turn myself in. I told them I would, on three conditions: I would not be handcuffed. I would not be taken off my property. And I would not be forced to get a mental health evaluation. He agreed. The second I stepped outside, they jumped me. Then they handcuffed me, took me off my property, and took me to get a mental health evaluation."
By noon the same day, Pyles had already been released from the Rogue Valley Medical Center with a clean bill of mental health. Four days later the Medford Police Department returned Pyles guns, despite telling him earlier in the weekfalselythat he'd need to undergo a second background check before he could get them back. On Friday the Medford Police Department put out a second press release, this time announcing that the agency had returned the "disgruntled" worker's guns, and "now considers this matter closed.
This is not the America I was born in...
" Bloom says the police are permitted to make a determination on their own to take someone in for a mental health evaluationthere's no requirement that they first consult with a judge or mental health professional."
this is a local Oregon state Law.
Damned if you do....damned if you don't
If they had the opportunity and did nothing and the guy went postal, all the threads would be...."Why didn't they act sooner given the evidence?
Case in point Maj Hassan in Ft Hood
No, all the threads would be, "Another right-wing nutter shoots up workplace," and "ban all guns," followed by, "he would have found a way to get the guns if he really wanted to."
No matter how you slice the potential outcome, what happened in Medford is not what this country is supposed to be about. Bootm line, it's bullshit.
And worse still, this is technically legal under the Patriot Act's "Lone Wolf" provision.Pre-Crime Policing
Allegedly “disgruntled” man has his guns seized, and “voluntarily” surrenders to two SWAT teams and dozens of police officers for a crime that hadn’t been committed
To hear them tell it, the five police agencies who apprehended 39-year-old Oregonian David Pyles early on the morning of March 8 thwarted another lone wolf mass murderer. The police "were able to successfully take a potentially volatile male subject into protective custody for a mental evaluation," announced a press release put out by the Medford, Oregon, police department. The subject had recently been placed on administrative leave from his job, was "very disgruntled," and had recently purchased several firearms. "Local Law Enforcement agencies were extremely concerned that the subject was planning retaliation against his employers," the release said. Fortunately, Pyles "voluntarily" turned himself over to police custody, and the legally purchased firearms "were seized for safekeeping."
This voluntary exchange involved two SWAT teams, police officers from Medford and nearby Rosewood, sheriff's deputies from Jackson and Douglas counties, and the Oregon State Police. Oregon State Police Sgt. Jeff Proulx explained to South Oregon's Mail Tribune why the operation was such a success: "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach."
There's just one problem: David Pyles hadn't committed any crime, nor was he suspected of having committed one. The police never obtained a warrant for either search or arrest. They never consulted with a judge or mental health professional before sending out the military-style tactical teams to take Pyle in.
"They woke me up with a phone call at about 5:50 in the morning," Pyles told me in a phone interview Friday. "I looked out the window and saw the SWAT team pointing their guns at my house. The officer on the phone told me to turn myself in. I told them I would, on three conditions: I would not be handcuffed. I would not be taken off my property. And I would not be forced to get a mental health evaluation. He agreed. The second I stepped outside, they jumped me. Then they handcuffed me, took me off my property, and took me to get a mental health evaluation."
By noon the same day, Pyles had already been released from the Rogue Valley Medical Center with a clean bill of mental health. Four days later the Medford Police Department returned Pyle’s guns, despite telling him earlier in the week—falsely—that he'd need to undergo a second background check before he could get them back. On Friday the Medford Police Department put out a second press release, this time announcing that the agency had returned the "disgruntled" worker's guns, and "now considers this matter closed.
This is not the America I was born in...
I believe that Police have always had the ability to remove someone for a mental evaluation even before the Patriot Act
It's interesting that quite a few op-ed pieces, and people on messageboards, were disturbed at the lack of pre action before Columbine. Quite a bit of Monday-morning quarterbacking on what could have been done to prevent the tragedy.
I think the man is due some compensation, but maybe the home invasion made him see the light.
It's a lose-lose situation for everybody.
Just wondered what peoples' reactions would have been if he had gone postal, and it came out after the fact that the police had been monitoring him but hadn't done anything about it....
He wasn't arrested. He was DETAINED in order to get evaluated.
Get your facts straight people!
And if he did go off and kill a bunch of people, you same lunatics would be up here screaming about the police not taking a proactive approach before it happened.
Paranoia strikes deep. It's quite obvious that the OP is suffering from extreme paranoia. Or complete stupidity.
I believe that Police have always had the ability to remove someone for a mental evaluation even before the Patriot Act
i believe it is called a 5150.....they can take you and detaine you for 24 hours if the think you are a danger to yourself...exisited long before sept 11....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold)