fires

[tjvh]

If forest fires were allowed to return to a state of normalcy, the bark beetle wouldn't be a problem. Their colonies would be wiped out in the fires instead of being allowed to spread.

Yeah... If man has anything to do with it, it is excessive fire prevention which has led to these forests becoming ticking time bombs... But of course they'll tell you it is from the excessive CO2 emissions from your automobile. You can't fight environmental lunacy... Unless you can figure out how to ban lightning from striking.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CO2...it causes lightening strikes.

And campfires.

And arson.

 

[Uncensored2008]

62 fires in Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, and California. One already covering nearly 700 square miles. And the high pressure just seems stuck. More heat for another 5 days, at least, and some dry lightning storms predicted for the South Cascades.

No doubt caused by our carbon sins which have angered Gaea....

 

[RollingThunder]

CO2...it causes lightening strikes.

And campfires.

And arson.

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CO2...it causes lightening strikes.

And campfires.

And arson.

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

 

[RollingThunder]

CO2...it causes lightening strikes.

And campfires.

And arson.

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

 

[skookerasbil]

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

nobody cares.............except of course, the OCD crusaders.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

Uh huh. Sure it does.

Because CO2 causes droughts, floods, melts ice caps, causes record snowfalls and causes campers to be careless or creates additional lightening strikes

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In your case, CrazyFruitcake, CO2 has apparently caused braindeath. Or maybe you were just born retarded.

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

Oh, you're totally ******* insane too. Batshit crazy.

 

[RollingThunder]

The only way CO2 can start a forest fire is if an AGW Cult member starts it and blames it on AGW

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

Uh huh. Sure it does.

Because CO2 causes droughts, floods, melts ice caps, causes record snowfalls

Yup, CO2 caused global warming does indeed cause droughts, floods, melts ice caps and causes record snowfall. Right so far.

and causes campers to be careless or creates additional lightening strikes

And here's where you go off the rails on the crazy train again. As I said before, CrazyFruitcake, your idiotic strawman arguments just get increasingly ridiculous. You poor deluded retard.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your strawman arguments just get more and more ridiculous, CrazyFruitcake.

Nobody is claiming that CO2 directly starts fires, nitwit. The observed fact is that CO2 driven global warming is causing hotter and drier conditions in some places that then are more prone to larger and more intense fires because the ground and vegetation are so dried out. There have always been forest fires but now they are happening with greater frequency and intensity because of anthropogenic global warming/climate changes. In western America, global warming has vastly increased the tree deaths from the pine bark beetle and this factor is also contributing to the fires.

Uh huh. Sure it does.

Because CO2 causes droughts, floods, melts ice caps, causes record snowfalls

Yup, CO2 caused global warming does indeed cause droughts, floods, melts ice caps and causes record snowfall. Right so far.

and causes campers to be careless or creates additional lightening strikes

And here's where you go off the rails on the crazy train again. As I said before, CrazyFruitcake, your idiotic strawman arguments just get increasingly ridiculous. You poor deluded retard.

Pointing to any weather event and going, "See that! Manmade Global Warming!!" Isn't science, it's Cult behavior. It's insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior

It been cooler this week than last week here in NY, because of AGW, right?

 

[RollingThunder]

Uh huh. Sure it does.

Because CO2 causes droughts, floods, melts ice caps, causes record snowfalls

Yup, CO2 caused global warming does indeed cause droughts, floods, melts ice caps and causes record snowfall. Right so far.

and causes campers to be careless or creates additional lightening strikes

And here's where you go off the rails on the crazy train again. As I said before, CrazyFruitcake, your idiotic strawman arguments just get increasingly ridiculous. You poor deluded retard.

Pointing to any weather event and going, "See that! Manmade Global Warming!!" Isn't science, it's Cult behavior. It's insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior

It been cooler this week than last week here in NY, because of AGW, right?

You poor ignorant idiot. Nobody is "pointing to any weather event" and claiming that any one event has to be a direct result of only global warming. Scientists are pointing at a long series of unusual weather events that form a pattern indicative of climate changes produced by the observed global warming. Global warming is shifting the odds on certain kinds of weather events. Storms and floods that used to happen maybe once a centurey are happening every few years now.

What is "Cult behavior", really, really "insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior", is the behavior of you and the other AGW debier nitwits. You reject the evidence, you reject the testimony of the experts, you believe the really silly and thoroughly debunked myths, dogmas and lies that your cult leaders feed to you and close your minds to the well verified facts of the matter that are accepted by virtually the entire world scientific community, you are very like the members of the Flat Earth Society in your rejection of science, logic and reason. You are a cultist as well as a gullible retard.

 

[westwall]

Yup, CO2 caused global warming does indeed cause droughts, floods, melts ice caps and causes record snowfall. Right so far.



And here's where you go off the rails on the crazy train again. As I said before, CrazyFruitcake, your idiotic strawman arguments just get increasingly ridiculous. You poor deluded retard.

Pointing to any weather event and going, "See that! Manmade Global Warming!!" Isn't science, it's Cult behavior. It's insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior

It been cooler this week than last week here in NY, because of AGW, right?

You poor ignorant idiot. Nobody is "pointing to any weather event" and claiming that any one event has to be a direct result of only global warming. Scientists are pointing at a long series of unusual weather events that form a pattern indicative of climate changes produced by the observed global warming. Global warming is shifting the odds on certain kinds of weather events. Storms and floods that used to happen maybe once a centurey are happening every few years now.

What is "Cult behavior", really, really "insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior", is the behavior of you and the other AGW debier nitwits. You reject the evidence, you reject the testimony of the experts, you believe the really silly and thoroughly debunked myths, dogmas and lies that your cult leaders feed to you and close your minds to the well verified facts of the matter that are accepted by virtually the entire world scientific community, you are very like the members of the Flat Earth Society in your rejection of science, logic and reason. You are a cultist as well as a gullible retard.

No, you anti science cultists point to EVERY weather event and make the claim. That's why no one listens to you clowns any longer.

 

[RollingThunder]

Pointing to any weather event and going, "See that! Manmade Global Warming!!" Isn't science, it's Cult behavior. It's insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior

It been cooler this week than last week here in NY, because of AGW, right?

You poor ignorant idiot. Nobody is "pointing to any weather event" and claiming that any one event has to be a direct result of only global warming. Scientists are pointing at a long series of unusual weather events that form a pattern indicative of climate changes produced by the observed global warming. Global warming is shifting the odds on certain kinds of weather events. Storms and floods that used to happen maybe once a centurey are happening every few years now.

What is "Cult behavior", really, really "insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior", is the behavior of you and the other AGW debier nitwits. You reject the evidence, you reject the testimony of the experts, you believe the really silly and thoroughly debunked myths, dogmas and lies that your cult leaders feed to you and close your minds to the well verified facts of the matter that are accepted by virtually the entire world scientific community, you are very like the members of the Flat Earth Society in your rejection of science, logic and reason. You are a cultist as well as a gullible retard.

No, you anti science cultists point to EVERY weather event and make the claim. That's why no one listens to you clowns any longer.

LOLOL.....oh walleyedretard, you live in such a strange little fantasy world.....kind of like bizarro-world....only even more stupid....

Global poll finds 73% want higher priority for climate change

Public More Willing than Politicians to Address Climate Change

Publics Around the World Call for Greater Efforts to Address Climate Change

Large Majorities in US and Europe Endorse Focus on Renewable Energy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You warmers are so funny, you morphed from "global warming" to "climate change" and thought no one was paying attention to your bullshit

 

[flacaltenn]

Yup, CO2 caused global warming does indeed cause droughts, floods, melts ice caps and causes record snowfall. Right so far.



And here's where you go off the rails on the crazy train again. As I said before, CrazyFruitcake, your idiotic strawman arguments just get increasingly ridiculous. You poor deluded retard.

Pointing to any weather event and going, "See that! Manmade Global Warming!!" Isn't science, it's Cult behavior. It's insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior

It been cooler this week than last week here in NY, because of AGW, right?

You poor ignorant idiot. Nobody is "pointing to any weather event" and claiming that any one event has to be a direct result of only global warming. Scientists are pointing at a long series of unusual weather events that form a pattern indicative of climate changes produced by the observed global warming. Global warming is shifting the odds on certain kinds of weather events. Storms and floods that used to happen maybe once a centurey are happening every few years now.

What is "Cult behavior", really, really "insane, certifiable, crazy person Cult behavior", is the behavior of you and the other AGW debier nitwits. You reject the evidence, you reject the testimony of the experts, you believe the really silly and thoroughly debunked myths, dogmas and lies that your cult leaders feed to you and close your minds to the well verified facts of the matter that are accepted by virtually the entire world scientific community, you are very like the members of the Flat Earth Society in your rejection of science, logic and reason. You are a cultist as well as a gullible retard.

Don't say NOBODY is pointing to any single weather event.. We've had PAGES of USMB crap about the 2011 tornado outbreak and how the tornadoes have gotten smarter and learned to attack CITY CENTERS instead of pastureland -- thus upping the cost in lives and property.. We've had PAGES on the recent drought and how it is a sign from the hand of Al Gore.. You lie with fleas --- that's why you're scratching..

We've even had your pew mates blaming the Blizzards of 10 and 11 on CO2...

Now in fairness -- that's crazy talk. Even NOAA/NASA/EPA shys away from making those connections. But it doesn't stop Hansen from trying. Certainly hasn't stopped Al Gore. And it's rampant speculation on all the favored "left-wing" climate blogs..

 

[flacaltenn]

BTW:

Bark Beetles don't give a beetle crap about a 0.5degC AVERAGE change in temp.. What they LOVE is when man goes and REFORESTs a burned out or logged area with their favorite trees all in one convienient area.. There are 8 or 9 SWELL explanations for pest explosion and "climate change" currently is likely at the bottom of that list -- just for grant money to study forest insects..

 

[RollingThunder]

BTW:

Bark Beetles don't give a beetle crap about a 0.5degC AVERAGE change in temp.. What they LOVE is when man goes and REFORESTs a burned out or logged area with their favorite trees all in one convienient area.. There are 8 or 9 SWELL explanations for pest explosion and "climate change" currently is likely at the bottom of that list -- just for grant money to study forest insects..

Just more of your usual ignorant drivel, fecalhead.

This point has already been covered.

The fact is the bark beetles are spreading so far so fast because of global warming.

Discovery of pine beetles breeding twice in a year helps explain increasing damage, CU researchers say
University of Colorado
March 14, 2012
(excerpts)

Long thought to produce only one generation of tree-killing offspring annually, some populations of mountain pine beetles now produce two generations per year, dramatically increasing the potential for the bugs to kill lodgepole and ponderosa pine trees, University of Colorado Boulder researchers have found. Because of the extra annual generation of beetles, there could be up to 60 times as many beetles attacking trees in any given year, their study found. And in response to warmer temperatures at high elevations, pine beetles also are better able to survive and attack trees that haven’t previously developed defenses. These are among the key findings of Jeffry Mitton, a CU-Boulder professor of ecology and evolutionary biology, and Scott Ferrenberg, a graduate student in that department. The study is being published this month in The American Naturalist.

This exponential increase in the beetle population might help to explain the scope of the current beetle epidemic, which is the largest in history and extends from the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico to the Yukon Territory near Alaska. “This thing is immense,” Mitton said. The duo’s research, conducted in 2009 and 2010 at CU’s Mountain Research Station, located about 25 miles west of Boulder, helps explain why. “We followed them through the summer, and we saw something that had never been seen before,” Mitton said. “Adults that were newly laid eggs two months before were going out and attacking trees” -- in the same year. Normally, mountain pine beetles spend a winter as larvae in trees before emerging as adults the following summer.

These effects may be particularly pronounced at higher elevations, where warmer temperatures have facilitated beetle attacks. In the last two decades at the Mountain Research Station, mean annual temperatures were 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were in the previous two decades. Warmer temperatures gave the beetle larvae more spring days to grow to adulthood. The number of spring days above freezing temperatures increased by 15.1 in the last two decades, Mitton and Ferrenberg report. Also, the number of days that were warm enough for the beetles to grow increased by 44 percent since 1970. The Mountain Research Station site is about 10,000 feet in elevation, 1,000 feet higher than the beetles have historically thrived. In their study, Mitton and Ferrenberg emphasize this anomaly. “While our study is limited in area, it was completed in a site that was characterized as climatically unsuitable for (mountain pine beetle) development by the U.S. Forest Service only three decades ago,” they write. But in 25 years, the beetles have expanded their range 2,000 feet higher in elevation and 240 miles north in latitude in Canada, Mitton said.

 

[skookerasbil]

BTW:

Bark Beetles don't give a beetle crap about a 0.5degC AVERAGE change in temp.. What they LOVE is when man goes and REFORESTs a burned out or logged area with their favorite trees all in one convienient area.. There are 8 or 9 SWELL explanations for pest explosion and "climate change" currently is likely at the bottom of that list -- just for grant money to study forest insects..

Just more of your usual ignorant drivel, fecalhead.

This point has already been covered.

The fact is the bark beetles are spreading so far so fast because of global warming.

Discovery of pine beetles breeding twice in a year helps explain increasing damage, CU researchers say
University of Colorado
March 14, 2012
(excerpts)

Long thought to produce only one generation of tree-killing offspring annually, some populations of mountain pine beetles now produce two generations per year, dramatically increasing the potential for the bugs to kill lodgepole and ponderosa pine trees, University of Colorado Boulder researchers have found. Because of the extra annual generation of beetles, there could be up to 60 times as many beetles attacking trees in any given year, their study found. And in response to warmer temperatures at high elevations, pine beetles also are better able to survive and attack trees that haven’t previously developed defenses. These are among the key findings of Jeffry Mitton, a CU-Boulder professor of ecology and evolutionary biology, and Scott Ferrenberg, a graduate student in that department. The study is being published this month in The American Naturalist.

This exponential increase in the beetle population might help to explain the scope of the current beetle epidemic, which is the largest in history and extends from the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico to the Yukon Territory near Alaska. “This thing is immense,” Mitton said. The duo’s research, conducted in 2009 and 2010 at CU’s Mountain Research Station, located about 25 miles west of Boulder, helps explain why. “We followed them through the summer, and we saw something that had never been seen before,” Mitton said. “Adults that were newly laid eggs two months before were going out and attacking trees” -- in the same year. Normally, mountain pine beetles spend a winter as larvae in trees before emerging as adults the following summer.

These effects may be particularly pronounced at higher elevations, where warmer temperatures have facilitated beetle attacks. In the last two decades at the Mountain Research Station, mean annual temperatures were 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were in the previous two decades. Warmer temperatures gave the beetle larvae more spring days to grow to adulthood. The number of spring days above freezing temperatures increased by 15.1 in the last two decades, Mitton and Ferrenberg report. Also, the number of days that were warm enough for the beetles to grow increased by 44 percent since 1970. The Mountain Research Station site is about 10,000 feet in elevation, 1,000 feet higher than the beetles have historically thrived. In their study, Mitton and Ferrenberg emphasize this anomaly. “While our study is limited in area, it was completed in a site that was characterized as climatically unsuitable for (mountain pine beetle) development by the U.S. Forest Service only three decades ago,” they write. But in 25 years, the beetles have expanded their range 2,000 feet higher in elevation and 240 miles north in latitude in Canada, Mitton said.

Bad news s0n..........been happening for billions of years here. How the **** do you think whole forests regenerate? Magic?

 

[RollingThunder]

BTW:

Bark Beetles don't give a beetle crap about a 0.5degC AVERAGE change in temp.. What they LOVE is when man goes and REFORESTs a burned out or logged area with their favorite trees all in one convienient area.. There are 8 or 9 SWELL explanations for pest explosion and "climate change" currently is likely at the bottom of that list -- just for grant money to study forest insects..

Just more of your usual ignorant drivel, fecalhead.

This point has already been covered.

The fact is the bark beetles are spreading so far so fast because of global warming.

Discovery of pine beetles breeding twice in a year helps explain increasing damage, CU researchers say
University of Colorado
March 14, 2012
(excerpts)

Long thought to produce only one generation of tree-killing offspring annually, some populations of mountain pine beetles now produce two generations per year, dramatically increasing the potential for the bugs to kill lodgepole and ponderosa pine trees, University of Colorado Boulder researchers have found. Because of the extra annual generation of beetles, there could be up to 60 times as many beetles attacking trees in any given year, their study found. And in response to warmer temperatures at high elevations, pine beetles also are better able to survive and attack trees that haven’t previously developed defenses. These are among the key findings of Jeffry Mitton, a CU-Boulder professor of ecology and evolutionary biology, and Scott Ferrenberg, a graduate student in that department. The study is being published this month in The American Naturalist.

This exponential increase in the beetle population might help to explain the scope of the current beetle epidemic, which is the largest in history and extends from the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico to the Yukon Territory near Alaska. “This thing is immense,” Mitton said. The duo’s research, conducted in 2009 and 2010 at CU’s Mountain Research Station, located about 25 miles west of Boulder, helps explain why. “We followed them through the summer, and we saw something that had never been seen before,” Mitton said. “Adults that were newly laid eggs two months before were going out and attacking trees” -- in the same year. Normally, mountain pine beetles spend a winter as larvae in trees before emerging as adults the following summer.

These effects may be particularly pronounced at higher elevations, where warmer temperatures have facilitated beetle attacks. In the last two decades at the Mountain Research Station, mean annual temperatures were 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were in the previous two decades. Warmer temperatures gave the beetle larvae more spring days to grow to adulthood. The number of spring days above freezing temperatures increased by 15.1 in the last two decades, Mitton and Ferrenberg report. Also, the number of days that were warm enough for the beetles to grow increased by 44 percent since 1970. The Mountain Research Station site is about 10,000 feet in elevation, 1,000 feet higher than the beetles have historically thrived. In their study, Mitton and Ferrenberg emphasize this anomaly. “While our study is limited in area, it was completed in a site that was characterized as climatically unsuitable for (mountain pine beetle) development by the U.S. Forest Service only three decades ago,” they write. But in 25 years, the beetles have expanded their range 2,000 feet higher in elevation and 240 miles north in latitude in Canada, Mitton said.

Bad news s0n..........been happening for billions of years here. How the **** do you think whole forests regenerate? Magic?

Bad news retard........you're way too stupid to even understand the issues here.