Firefighter (Iraq Vet) suspended for supporting troops

[manifold]

A three-and-a-half-year-old controversy over Medford firefighters wearing red shirts on Fridays to support American troops overseas was revived late last month, when administrators allegedly suspended a firefighter for wearing the forbidden piece of apparel.

An e-mail to the Transcript last week claimed Fire Chief Frank A. Giliberti Jr. had suspended a firefighter for wearing a red shirt. A posting on the Medford Firefighters Club Facebook page supported the allegation, stating that an Iraqi war veteran was indeed suspended.

“For those of you who don’t know, wearing a red T-shirt on Fridays is a sign of support for our troops overseas,” one firefighter posted. “Just a bit of info. Please pass onto your friends and family.”

This week, Giliberti confirmed a firefighter had been suspended for three days without pay for failing to obey a direct order from a superior officer. Gilberti would not say why the action took place or if it was linked to the red shirt.

Mayor Michael J. McGlynn, however, said he’s spoken to the firefighter in question and confirmed the action was indeed linked to the problematic clothing. He said a grievance by the firefighter will likely be filed against Giliberti, but that he could not comment until it arrived on his desk.

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[uscitizen]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

 

[manifold]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

 

[Ravi]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

Not sure how you're comparing a workplace dresscode to what Parks did.

 

[manifold]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

Not sure how you're comparing a workplace dresscode to what Parks did.

I posted that with you in mind.

 

[manifold]

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

Not sure how you're comparing a workplace dresscode to what Parks did.

I posted that with you in mind.

Nevertheless, a comparison can be made. Not a meaningful one mind you, but certainly a philosophical and logic comparison can be made. They were both 'breaking the rules'.

 

[uscitizen]

Not sure how you're comparing a workplace dresscode to what Parks did.

I posted that with you in mind.

Nevertheless, a comparison can be made. Not a meaningful one mind you, but certainly a philosophical and logic comparison can be made. They were both 'breaking the rules'.

So was Jeffery Dalhmer.


See what happens when you broaden your comparison rules too far?

 

[Ravi]

Manifold is often not the brightest bulb.

 

[manifold]

 

[Missourian]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

A better example may be black armbands...

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

 

[strollingbones]

dress codes...lots of places have them

 

[Quantum Windbag]

dress codes...lots of places have them

It is not a dress code, it is a uniform code. I think a good argument could be made to abridge a dress code as part of a political statement or demonstration of support for the troops. Uniforms are designed to differentiate certain people from the public, and serve as a means of identification. There is a lot less flexibility built into a system like that.

 

[Paulie]

I posted that with you in mind.

Nevertheless, a comparison can be made. Not a meaningful one mind you, but certainly a philosophical and logic comparison can be made. They were both 'breaking the rules'.

So was Jeffery Dalhmer.


See what happens when you broaden your comparison rules too far?

Dahmer was killing and eating people. The firefighter wore a t-shirt.

 

[Ravi]

There are many ways to show support for the troops.
They guy broke the rules after warnings and should be suspended.

I see no reason for false outrage over this.
Seems like after being in the service he would have known to follow the rules.

btw this is the first I had heard of the red shirt support.

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

A better example may be black armbands...

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Were those students required to wear uniforms?

 

[Valerie]

Sounds like the fire chief was on a power trip and made an unnecessary dress code rule to spite one of his veteran workers... I'm guessing a whole lot of ego and some sort of personal grudge is involved.

 

[uscitizen]

Nevertheless, a comparison can be made. Not a meaningful one mind you, but certainly a philosophical and logic comparison can be made. They were both 'breaking the rules'.

So was Jeffery Dalhmer.


See what happens when you broaden your comparison rules too far?

Dahmer was killing and eating people. The firefighter wore a t-shirt.

You missed my point. Jeff also broke the rules.
Mani made too broad of a comparison is why I threw that in.

 

[manifold]

Actually, mani made a joke. Thanks for getting it.

 

[Missourian]

Maybe you're right.

But then again people said the same thing about Rosa Parks at the time.

A better example may be black armbands...

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Were those students required to wear uniforms?

Better question...could Des Moines Independent School enacted a dress code for the purpose of stifling free speech?

 

[Ravi]

A better example may be black armbands...

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Were those students required to wear uniforms?

Better question...could Des Moines Independent School enacted a dress code for the purpose of stifling free speech?

IMO, that's what dress codes do. At schools, anyway. I think they serve a different purpose at work.