Fire erupts at Chevron SoCal refinery

[HikerGuy83]

It’s more likely a consequence of decades of running California’s refineries at over a hundred percent capacity. That was accomplished by cutting maintenance intervals.

The industry has gone to a "data based" turn-around work scope.

The problem is that an exchanger might be clean (as per the overall performance) at the end of a turnaround. But fouling is not linear and it may take only a year to hit the steep part of the hocky stick curve.

The industry is finding out that all the "savings" from this process is being eaten up by intermittent unscheduled shutdowns.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Sure, that is why trump needs to step in

And do what? Exactly?

Given the planning, process design, detailed design and financial approval process, he'd be lucky to have graders moving before 2028.

There are several small projects in Utah that are targeting Uintah Black and Yellow Wax Crudes (highly parafinic). They are small potatoes though.

To avoid the environmental constraints, refiners just increase capacities of existing units. Shell double the capacity of a couple of Texas refineries in the early 2000's. Easier to permit.

That's not happening anymore.

Almost the entire east coast (include several large refineries in Philly area) shut down as India (Reliance) export refineries came on stream. Saudi's also built some export refineries also.

 

[toobfreak]

$10s of millions isolated island homes and Refineries don't just burst into flames on the same day after standing for decades.

Maybe it was just one of those freak lightning storms.

Inspected, maintained and serviced often at a high proffesional level with that sort of value..

Any facility in heavy industry (of which that was a part) is rigorously regulated by the government, and every aspect of those facilities was well-maintained or they were doing something very illegal.

Marxist puke are ramping up.

That's my take as well.

 

[elektra]

And do what? Exactly?

Given the planning, process design, detailed design and financial approval process, he'd be lucky to have graders moving before 2028.

There are several small projects in Utah that are targeting Uintah Black and Yellow Wax Crudes (highly parafinic). They are small potatoes though.

To avoid the environmental constraints, refiners just increase capacities of existing units. Shell double the capacity of a couple of Texas refineries in the early 2000's. Easier to permit.

That's not happening anymore.

Almost the entire east coast (include several large refineries in Philly area) shut down as India (Reliance) export refineries came on stream. Saudi's also built some export refineries also.

So, I know all that.

My last energy project i worked on was the fusion reactors for cfs/mit/bill gates

I work for SpaceX now

 

[elektra]

Who are you to ask me what my job is.

who am I to ask about your job?

You brought up your job, that is who I am, the guy you replied to leading with, "I know cause of my job"

 

[elektra]

projections are for reduced demand in the long term as we move towards more "green" stuff.

Political projections are for reduced demand.

Real use of oil and gas, is projected to go up.

Who am I, the guy that is called to to tell you why your refinery blew up

 

[HikerGuy83]

who am I to ask about your job?

You brought up your job, that is who I am, the guy you replied to leading with, "I know cause of my job"

I said I work in the industry.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Political projections are for reduced demand.

Real use of oil and gas, is projected to go up.

Who am I, the guy that is called to to tell you why your refinery blew up

I provided an article that shows you what demand looks like and it is not expected to "go up". Per capita consumption is for sure down. Actual consumption is also dropping.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So, I know all that.

My last energy project i worked on was the fusion reactors for cfs/mit/bill gates

I work for SpaceX now

So how does a fusion reactor help you know typical liquid transportation fuel markets.

 

[elektra]

So how does a fusion reactor help you know typical liquid transportation fuel markets.

You asked what I did for a job.

You stated that demand for oil and gas is projected to decrease.

That is political propaganda, the opposite of fact.

 

[elektra]

I provided an article that shows you ...

Not in any reply to me

like me you can search the internet for an article, that knowledge ain't coming from your job in the industry

 

[HikerGuy83]

You asked what I did for a job.

You stated that demand for oil and gas is projected to decrease.

That is political propaganda, the opposite of fact.

Please provide your data, like I provided mine.

Forbes is not a political projection machine.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not in any reply to me

like me you can search the internet for an article, that knowledge ain't coming from your job in the industry

What are you talking about.

I work with a company that has a network of refineries. We serve different PADDs.

We have some refineries that just dump into pipelines and some that are in highly leveraged markets.

We work with companies like Stancil, and Solomon to understand megatrends which heavily define our capital strategy.

So, yes it is coming from that.

I also worked on a technology acquisition that required us to better understand the demand for diesel on a global basis.

 

[elektra]

What are you talking about.

I work with a company that has a network of refineries. We serve different PADDs.

We have some refineries that just dump into pipelines and some that are in highly leveraged markets.

We work with companies like Stancil, and Solomon to understand megatrends which heavily define our capital strategy.

So, yes it is coming from that.

I also worked on a technology acquisition that required us to better understand the demand for diesel on a global basis.

So what
There ain't nothing non-factual in any of my comments
Rant on, rant on, mr expert

 

[HikerGuy83]

So what
There ain't nothing non-factual in any of my comments
Rant on, rant on, mr expert

You have presented ZERO facts......rocket scientist.

 

[elektra]

You have presented ZERO facts......rocket sciscientist

Yes, rocket scientist cause I went from nuclear reactors to a fusion reactors and now rockets.

Zero facts? Uh, I stated we need more refineries, you been arguing we need less.

You are a blithering idiot

 

[elektra]

You have presented ZERO facts......rocket scientist.

Hopefully Trump steps in we need new refineries

You'll never get anyone to invest in one.

Sure, that is why trump needs to step in

projections are for reduced demand in the long term as we move towards more "green" stuff.

We need more refineries, you been arguing we dont. You are a blithering idiot.

 

[elektra]

I work as a process engineer in an oil refrefinery

Which means zero
The safety process engineer comes up with the logo and how the safety sign shall be hanged.

I am a scientist, researcher. Aint it nice to be extremely vague to establish credentials

 

[elektra]

There are two flares going off. Those are controlled burns. Those are huge amounts of gas and liquid being burned.

Uh, no. I let your huge error go, cause the safety process engineer, yourself, dont know the difference between a flare and an explosion

That was an explosion, you said transportation fuel? Why is the safety process engineer so vague?

Kerosene is a more accurate term.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yes, rocket scientist cause I went from nuclear reactors to a fusion reactors and now rockets.

Zero facts? Uh, I stated we need more refineries, you been arguing we need less.

You are a blithering idiot

We don't have enough as it is.

And I am asking why, if we "need" more, refineries are being shuttered.

Can you explain that?