Fine. Stop Working.

[Weatherman2020]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

America has a terrible prison system. There some prisons that are better, but as a whole they fail in the purpose they are supposed to accomplish.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

Facility I worked at was on 3,000 acres, and, until bleeding hearts got involved, had 1500-2000 of it planted in corn, wheat, and vegetables. it had cows, pigs, and a slaughter house.

It was self sufficient, didn't cost the state a dime to feed 2,000+ inmates.

Wife keeps in contact with friends back there, and it seems that after 100 years, they have closed down all farming.

Seems a waste to me

They should shutdown all prison industries. Put law abiding Americans to work.

I don't think you understand what prisons are.

The last time she saw the inside of a prison was watching Shawshank Redemption in 3-D

Hopefully Candybrain is good looking. Going through life stupid AND ugly seems cruel even for her.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

America has a terrible prison system. There some prisons that are better, but as a whole they fail in the purpose they are supposed to accomplish.

Trying to reform some prisoners is a lost cause and harsh treatment is all they deserve.
They need to give them a choice. Be an asshole and get treated like one.
Or they can try to learn something and better themselves thus showing a real desire to change.
And of course segregate the two.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

One bright light in our prison system is Angola.

80% of the inmates in Angola prison are serving life sentences without the possibility of parole. Angola prison had been averaging 40 murders a year when the new warden stepped in. His first actions were to have everyone treated as if they were created in the image of God. All people should be treated with that dignity. No swearing by prisoners or guards was allowed. People who died in prison would get wooden coffins, not the cardboard that had been used.

The next step was to create Christian seminaries in the prison to teach people how God has reached out to them so that He may always be with them. Through private funding a Christian college and several chapels were built. Inmates are free to attend as they wish.

Today there are a number of prisoners who are now ordained Pastors. Most inmates now attend the college or services. Even Muslims attend. And Angola has gone from 40 murders a year to not one since 1996.

Dennis Prager heard about this and arranged a visit:

 

[martybegan]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

Facility I worked at was on 3,000 acres, and, until bleeding hearts got involved, had 1500-2000 of it planted in corn, wheat, and vegetables. it had cows, pigs, and a slaughter house.

It was self sufficient, didn't cost the state a dime to feed 2,000+ inmates.

Wife keeps in contact with friends back there, and it seems that after 100 years, they have closed down all farming.

Seems a waste to me

They should shutdown all prison industries. Put law abiding Americans to work.

Great idea

Just leave those poor misunderstood felons with nothing to do but pump iron, watch television, and plan ways to escape.

Makes a lot of sense.

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

Talk about tunnel vision.

 

[miketx]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

Why don't you go work in a prison and then pull your head out. You people crying about prison have no idea what it's like inside. About 10 percent of the offenders want to be rehabilitated, the rest do not, or do not care one way or another.

 

[candycorn]

They should shutdown all prison industries. Put law abiding Americans to work.

Great idea

Just leave those poor misunderstood felons with nothing to do but pump iron, watch television, and plan ways to escape.

Makes a lot of sense.

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

 

[candycorn]

Typical little Candycorn logic. Pick a product made by a company with billions of dollars in the bank, and a lot sitting overseas untaxed to make your liberal point. You are such a dimwit. The people buying $700 phones are not the ones you liberals are suppose to care about. Do your liberal friends just ask you to shut your mouth when they are debating a Trumpster?

Love it when I'm told "who I should care about". #1 its me. I love my Iphone, My I Pad and my Mac. Loved my Ipod back when it had a use unique to it's self. Windows is the best salesman Apple ever had.

But again, since it is the most glaring example of the triumph of globalization, I'll ask you, how much of a tariff needs to be placed on the I-phone to force Apple to open a plant in California--what does the sticker price have to say to make the jobs come back???

Why not attempt to answer a question instead of just showing us how dim you are?

There wouldn't be a tariff on an iPhone. There would only be a tariff on an iPhone if iPhones were already made here and the factory closed and moved overseas.

Okay, so it won't bring a job back but it would prevent other jobs from leaving--presumably because a company would rather pay employees than the tariffs?

Correct?

Tipsy, let me give you some very sound advice. DO NOT under any circumstances engage yourself in what you think is a logical debate with candybrain. You will end up frustrated and annoyed. Most of us have learned that she is here for one purpose, and one purpose only. That is to be ridiculed for her ditziness. Heed my warning, or learn the hard way.

Or you will end up defeated as you always have.

 

[candycorn]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

America has a terrible prison system. There some prisons that are better, but as a whole they fail in the purpose they are supposed to accomplish.

By your definition, we have a “good” system; we try to rehab these thugs who have no interest in rehab. Which is why I say, let them read old textbooks. If they need to get a diploma, televise a teacher into the class and use scan/e-mail technology for them to examine and grade… Beyond that; we shouldn’t be spending a dime helping these folks get a leg up on students who can’t afford/don’t have access to training like the prison industries give these people for free.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Great idea

Just leave those poor misunderstood felons with nothing to do but pump iron, watch television, and plan ways to escape.

Makes a lot of sense.

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

I never said they need to make a profit. But they do need to run on a balanced budget to lesson the hit on the tax payer.

 

[miketx]

Great idea

Just leave those poor misunderstood felons with nothing to do but pump iron, watch television, and plan ways to escape.

Makes a lot of sense.

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

America has a terrible prison system. There some prisons that are better, but as a whole they fail in the purpose they are supposed to accomplish.

By your definition, we have a “good” system; we try to rehab these thugs who have no interest in rehab. Which is why I say, let them read old textbooks. If they need to get a diploma, televise a teacher into the class and use scan/e-mail technology for them to examine and grade… Beyond that; we shouldn’t be spending a dime helping these folks get a leg up on students who can’t afford/don’t have access to training like the prison industries give these people for free.

Your ignorance is noted.

 

[Auld Phart]

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

I had a 16 y/o kid who claimed what he had to do was slave labor.

His 'slave job'?

he and 5 others were assigned to sweep and mop the dorm 4 times a day.

that was their ONLY job

 

[miketx]

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

I had a 16 y/o kid who claimed what he had to do was slave labor.

His 'slave job'?

he and 5 others were assigned to sweep and mop the dorm 4 times a day.

that was their ONLY job

I got that a few times when I was a C/O. I just told them to stay out of prison, get a job and support themself and have a life. A few of them actually thanked me later.

 

[candycorn]

I often wonder why we have prison industries at all. They take jobs away from non criminal workers.

As for the strike itself, the justice system is a travesty and needs overhaul from front to back. It will go nowhere until someone with influence is incarcerated and is treated like just another arrestee.

A good prison system reforms people into becoming honest hard working members of society when they get out. Teaching people crafts and trades is a big part of that. And just working hard for 8 hours on basic tasks is a big part of that process.

Do you think we have a “good” prison system now?

America has a terrible prison system. There some prisons that are better, but as a whole they fail in the purpose they are supposed to accomplish.

By your definition, we have a “good” system; we try to rehab these thugs who have no interest in rehab. Which is why I say, let them read old textbooks. If they need to get a diploma, televise a teacher into the class and use scan/e-mail technology for them to examine and grade… Beyond that; we shouldn’t be spending a dime helping these folks get a leg up on students who can’t afford/don’t have access to training like the prison industries give these people for free.

Your ignorance is noted.

My ignorance? You say that we should be rehabilitating people who have no interest in rehabilitation. So I’ll take your indignation as a badge of honor.

 

[candycorn]

My plan saves jobs.
Your plan costs jobs.

Therefore my plan makes a lot more sense than yours. But then again....outsmarting you is no great feat.

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

So what you’re saying is that this prison tilapia farm was paying their inmates minimum wage or the same that private sector folks were paying theirs?

Actually they were making $0.60 a day.

Prisoners raise fish for fine markets

But you’ll gloss right over that and get back to your one trick…personal insults. In other words, you’re the perfect conservative; immune to facts, reason, and information that doesn’t fit your world view.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

So what you’re saying is that this prison tilapia farm was paying their inmates minimum wage or the same that private sector folks were paying theirs?

Actually they were making $0.60 a day.

Prisoners raise fish for fine markets

But you’ll gloss right over that and get back to your one trick…personal insults. In other words, you’re the perfect conservative; immune to facts, reason, and information that doesn’t fit your world view.

They dont deserve min wage. They are getting paid in the form of room and board.
It's not anyones fault but their own as to their choice of abodes.

 

[candycorn]

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

So what you’re saying is that this prison tilapia farm was paying their inmates minimum wage or the same that private sector folks were paying theirs?

Actually they were making $0.60 a day.

Prisoners raise fish for fine markets

But you’ll gloss right over that and get back to your one trick…personal insults. In other words, you’re the perfect conservative; immune to facts, reason, and information that doesn’t fit your world view.

They dont deserve min wage. They are getting paid in the form of room and board.
It's not anyones fault but their own as to their choice of abodes.

I agree with you on that. But try to open your fucking eyes for a moment. The guy with the fish farm down the road is not able to pay his guys $0.60 a day to compete with the prison. That is the point. When you have slave labor you can undercut legitimate businesses.

Shesh…are you this dense IRL?

 

[miketx]

They can do the jobs Americans dont want to do.

Prisons can be self supporting when it comes to food and they can sell whatever produce or meat left over to help offset the cost of running the prison.
The prisoners learn the value of hard work,they eat and it defrays the cost to the tax payer...win,win.

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

So what you’re saying is that this prison tilapia farm was paying their inmates minimum wage or the same that private sector folks were paying theirs?

Actually they were making $0.60 a day.

Prisoners raise fish for fine markets

But you’ll gloss right over that and get back to your one trick…personal insults. In other words, you’re the perfect conservative; immune to facts, reason, and information that doesn’t fit your world view.

You have no facts, no reason, and no experience. Yet you pretend like you know something. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

 

[candycorn]

Total garbage:

There are prisons in Colorado raising talapia.
Whole Foods will no longer sell fish produced by Colorado prisoners – The Denver Post

According to wikipedia, it is a $60B industry (fish farming in general). Obviously it is a job that Americans can and are doing.

There is no "win win". The non criminals who were growing the fish sold by Whole Foods in the link were losing out to the slave labor from the State. Furthermore, the prisons are there to punish those who break the law; not become a jobs program where they get free training while others who are not incarcerated have to pay for such training.

Why not sell the fish at market price? That way it evens the playing field.
We pay for those prisons one way or another whether through taxes or lost trash picking jobs on the highway,all you can really do is try to limit the expense to the tax payers.
Having them grow and raise their own food is the best way I can think of to lower those costs and at the same time giving the inmate a sense of pride through work.

Since there are 0.00 companies vying for contracts to pick up trash on the highways, thats great. They can do that.
When you take jobs away from people who didn’t commit a crime, I have a problem with that. When you turn a profit based on use of slave/convict labor, that is (or should be) illegal.

You lie again cornydog. Incarcerated felons are not slave labor no matter how many liberal scum lie and say otherwise. You are just another clueless shill who promotes crime by railing against prisons that keep even bigger scum than you off the streets.

But you don't work in a prison, probably have never been in one and definitely have no idea what you are talking about. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

So what you’re saying is that this prison tilapia farm was paying their inmates minimum wage or the same that private sector folks were paying theirs?

Actually they were making $0.60 a day.

Prisoners raise fish for fine markets

But you’ll gloss right over that and get back to your one trick…personal insults. In other words, you’re the perfect conservative; immune to facts, reason, and information that doesn’t fit your world view.

You have no facts, no reason, and no experience. Yet you pretend like you know something. In other words, you are a perfect liberal.

I just sourced my assertions… to which you (as predicted) glossed right over it. You’re just here to insult people and try to make them as miserable as you obviously are. Again, a perfect bitter old white dude.