Final proof that the death penalty doesnt work

[Tommy Tainant]

You lost the minute you brought up God. There is no God. If you want to believe that there is one and he's going to not forgive this schmuck. If you want to believe there is a hell, that's great for you. And there is a heaven for everyone you like. Even if they are assholes, right?

You can show me all the innocent ones you want. I would have never put them up for the death penalty. Clearly they weren't slam dunks.

Scott Peterson in California should not be death penalty. It's not a slam dunk.

I see too many "The First 48" where it's a slam dunk. Multiple witnesses, caught red handed, on video, his murder weapon, text messages and phone records, admitted it in the interview. And you can tell they did it because they aren't even saying they didn't do it. They told you they did it and the evidence backs it up.

This is hilarious

There really are no slam dunks. ALl executions are subject to the whims of human nature. How many black kids were executed by people who were virtuallly lynch mobs ?
You are trying to carve out exceptions as we go along. But it doesnt work like that.

 

[MarathonMike]

You sound like the cop who pretends to be on your side so we can go hell yeah and shit so the bad cop can then turn around and say see you all are fascist.

You want to try again and write something coherent this time?

 

[sealybobo]

There really are no slam dunks. ALl executions are subject to the whims of human nature. How many black kids were executed by people who were virtuallly lynch mobs ?
You are trying to carve out exceptions as we go along. But it doesnt work like that.

Stop asking about what wrongs happened in the past. Doesn't matter. Moving forward, I could sit with you and watch Signs of a Psychopath and you would see case after case where the person did it. And there is no reason to keep this person alive.

The sad thing is people who get 40 years serve 20. People who get life get out in 25. We need to start being honest. If the person is going to get out in 10, stop sentencing them to 20 years. They are just lying to the public.

For every psychopath there are signs. Would you see them? Revisiting some of the most dangerous killers in modern history to see which psychopathic traits they exhibited. Featuring real archive footage.

Signs of a Psychopath, Murder tapes, American Monster, Evil Lives Here.

A LOT of these Psychopaths were born that way. Their families tell the stories in the beginning what it was like growing up with them. Or spouses tell what it was like living with them.

Yes the Death Penalty system is fucked up. Because every one of these people in these shows should be executed. And we have sentenced innocent people to death? That's fucked up. But we could do it right. Instead of not doing it at all.

I HATE hearing about cases in Michigan that deserve the death penalty and then I realize MI has no death penalty.

 

[justoffal]

https://people.com/sandra-hemme-woman-conviction-murder-overturned-judge-believes-cop-did-it-8664950

Over 43 years in jail for something she didnt do.The only reason she is free today is that she wasnt executed. Final proof that the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.
How many others are rotting in jail today ? How many innocent people have been killed. ?

Its a medieval punishment for backward times.

It works just fine..... The last murderer that was executed didn't kill anyone else. Nuff said.

 

[justoffal]

No,....what it proves is juries can be biased and come to the wrong conclusion.

Something about having the benefit of the doubt is thrown out the window when your jury is prejudiced against the defendant.

The death penalty can be a good way to remove dangerous criminals from society, that never can be rehabilitated.

The murdered person cannot be rehabilitated either...... I think the murderer should share that fate.

 

[Zebra]

I cant agree with you. Its mudlled thinking. The death penalty is vengeance and that belongs to God. Aside from religous dogma people get tr wrong all the tume.
Our legal systems are not robust enough to deliver justice.
Central Park 5
John Christie
Birmingham 6
Guildford 4

Even now the worst mass killer ever is getting her sentence reveiwed. Lucy Letby hilled 7 babies in hospital. She should be dead but did she actually do it ?

there is new evidence that she may be innocent.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

there is new evidence that she may be innocent.

The Letby case is a prime example. She was found guilty but now there are doubts raised.
Nobody knows what is going on. But with the death penalty there would be no conversation.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Letby case is a prime example. She was found guilty but now there are doubts raised.
Nobody knows what is going on. But with the death penalty there would be no conversation.

Yes there would be, because the same people who are raising "doubts", and doubts can always be raised by someone not willing to accept a verdict either guilty or not guilty, would be either trying to get her sentence reduced or get her out of prison entirely.

 

[justoffal]

Yes there would be, because the same people who are raising "doubts", and doubts can always be raised by someone not willing to accept a verdict either guilty or not guilty, would be either trying to get her sentence reduced or get her out of prison entirely.

Yep ...

Ted Bundy had a mass following

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yes there would be, because the same people who are raising "doubts", and doubts can always be raised by someone not willing to accept a verdict either guilty or not guilty, would be either trying to get her sentence reduced or get her out of prison entirely.

But Letby would be dead. No hope of justice.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Stop asking about what wrongs happened in the past. Doesn't matter. Moving forward, I could sit with you and watch Signs of a Psychopath and you would see case after case where the person did it. And there is no reason to keep this person alive.

The sad thing is people who get 40 years serve 20. People who get life get out in 25. We need to start being honest. If the person is going to get out in 10, stop sentencing them to 20 years. They are just lying to the public.

For every psychopath there are signs. Would you see them? Revisiting some of the most dangerous killers in modern history to see which psychopathic traits they exhibited. Featuring real archive footage.

Signs of a Psychopath, Murder tapes, American Monster, Evil Lives Here.

A LOT of these Psychopaths were born that way. Their families tell the stories in the beginning what it was like growing up with them. Or spouses tell what it was like living with them.

Yes the Death Penalty system is fucked up. Because every one of these people in these shows should be executed. And we have sentenced innocent people to death? That's fucked up. But we could do it right. Instead of not doing it at all.

I HATE hearing about cases in Michigan that deserve the death penalty and then I realize MI has no death penalty.

We shouldnt kill people on the basis of a tv show.

 

[Hafar1014]

https://people.com/sandra-hemme-woman-conviction-murder-overturned-judge-believes-cop-did-it-8664950

Over 43 years in jail for something she didnt do.The only reason she is free today is that she wasnt executed. Final proof that the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.
How many others are rotting in jail today ? How many innocent people have been killed. ?

Its a medieval punishment for backward times.

It does work how many people are murdered after a killer is executed? Zero.
Gary Heidnick sexually abused teens and then killed them. He locked them in his basement and forced the to eat the bodies of the ones he killed. He was executed. Good

 

[sealybobo]

We shouldnt kill people on the basis of a tv show.

I would kill these people based on the facts that I saw on tv.

I don't need to be a juror who isn't given all the evidence. I wish they would video tape these guys in prison so jurors can see the real person. Not the guy in a suit who shaved and cut his hair and looks sorry.

I HATE IT that they don't allow evidence of past rape into a murder trial. The lawyer says "what's that rape in 1990 have to do with this murder?" Are you kidding me? I think it's important the jury knows the kind of person you are/were.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But Letby would be dead. No hope of justice.

No system created my man can be perfect. Our system leans over backwards to protect the rights of those accused of a crime. Of course, living in the UK, you wouldn't know any of that.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Many of them never committed a crime in the first place. But the state murdered the,/

Bullcrap. By the time a criminal is in court for murder he or she had committed hundreds or even thousands of crimes and either gotten away clean or gotten a series of slowly increasing penalties.

 

[AZrailwhale]

She was a stupid girl. Democracy needed protecting from a crazy mob.

Democracy didn't need protecting from anything. If anything, a handful of public officials needed protecting and even making direct threats to public officials isn't a capital crime. Even under the Capital Police's use of force rules Byrd committed a bad shooting and should have received a punishment ranging from outright dismissal and forfeiture of benefits and pension to a manslaughter charge.

Oddly enough the Capital Police DON'T publish their use of force guidelines anywhere that I can find. Here is an interesting fact though:
"

• Approximately 150 Capitol Police officers reported 293 use of force incidents on Jan. 6. All were deemed justified by the department.
• These incidents involved pushing (91), batons (83), withdrawing a firearm from its holster (37), chemical spray (34), other physical tactics (22), pointing a firearm at a person (17), less-lethal munitions (7), a diversionary device (1) and firing a firearm (1).

Out of 293 use of force incidents, the Capital Police didn't find even ONE that was excessive. To me that indicates that their standards were incredibly low. We've seen video of Captial Police officers aiming bean bag rounds at protestor's heads which is likely to be lethal, firing flash bangs at protestors which is likely to be lethal or at best, cause bodily damage. Flash bangs are explosive rounds. None of those actions were found to exceed standards by the Capital Police command staff.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If they are still alive, there is always a chance for a new trial. Not so much if they are dead.
It's cheaper to keep them locked up for life than it is to execute them, anyway.

Wrong, it's very cheap to execute someone. A few hundred dollars' worth of chemicals, a twenty cent 9mm bullet or twenty dollars of reuseable rope. What make it expensive is all the appeals people like you launch to delay the execution of the sentence. Keeping someone in prison is incredibly expensive, it takes THIRTY-SIX THOUSAND dollars a year to keep a federal prisoner confined, a California prisoner costs ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND SIXTY dollars a year to keep confined.

 

[BackAgain]

https://people.com/sandra-hemme-woman-conviction-murder-overturned-judge-believes-cop-did-it-8664950

Over 43 years in jail for something she didnt do.The only reason she is free today is that she wasnt executed. Final proof that the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.
How many others are rotting in jail today ? How many innocent people have been killed. ?

Its a medieval punishment for backward times.

It is immaterial whether one agrees with capital punishment or not. But to claim that it “doesn’t work” is obviously ridiculous.

It most certainly does. It may not well serve the penological purpose of general deterrence (ie, persuading others not to commit murder because they see examples of prior murderers being put to death). But it unquestionably serves the purpose of specific deterrence. Because no murderer in the history of mankind who was then put to death has ever gone on to commit another murder.

That aside, there are serious issues which can be discussed about the death penalty. But the OP missed any such issue with his simplistic contention.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Im not making any argument about cost. I feel it is just plain wrong. Too many miatakes have been made in the past to make it just. I wouldnt like to be hung for something I didnt do.

Too many mistakes? A hundred or so over decades out of tens of thousands of murder convictions.

 

[AZrailwhale]

California a liberal state has the death penalty?

Only because the people insisted after liberal justices removed it. Proposition 7 in 1978 reinstituted it and mandate the use in certain circumstances.