Ferguson Police Chief Jackson to Retire Today

[bucs90]

The man gave decades to the cause of trying to maintain civility and suppress violent crime.

No, this man subsidized his budget by targeting black residents for fines for low-level offenses. Good riddance.

In other words....criminals were punished by paying a fine.

Thats...kinda how the system works. Break a law...you pay a fine.

 

[pillars]

The man gave decades to the cause of trying to maintain civility and suppress violent crime.

No, this man subsidized his budget by targeting black residents for fines for low-level offenses. Good riddance.

In other words....criminals were punished by paying a fine.

Thats...kinda how the system works. Break a law...you pay a fine.

No. In other words, they pursued revenue by looking for opportunities to bust people for minor things. To the tune of increasing fine revenues over 80% in a two year period.

We all know that officers have considerable discretion in doing their jobs. This chief directed his officers to harass the populace over minor things that they'd previously have ignored.

You know what I know? Patrol officers HATE DOING SHIT LIKE THAT. No patrol officer, EVER, went onto the job hoping to bust bums for not having a big enough paper bag over their 40 oz tall boy.

This chief is the one at the top of the food chain who put his officers into the position of focusing on minor issues, which pisses off the residents, and makes the jobs of those officers 100% more difficult.

The term for this is quota. What officer, ever, have you worked with who enjoyed meeting an arrest quota?

 

[Meathead]

Best thing is he won't have to deal with those idiots in Ferguson, The guy needs to get away from thugs, it'll do him good.

Before he shoots one?

Thugs usually shoot each other. Big Mike was one less to kill or be killed now.

 

[bucs90]

The man gave decades to the cause of trying to maintain civility and suppress violent crime.

No, this man subsidized his budget by targeting black residents for fines for low-level offenses. Good riddance.

In other words....criminals were punished by paying a fine.

Thats...kinda how the system works. Break a law...you pay a fine.

No. In other words, they pursued revenue by looking for opportunities to bust people for minor things. To the tune of increasing fine revenues over 80% in a two year period.

We all know that officers have considerable discretion in doing their jobs. This chief directed his officers to harass the populace over minor things that they'd previously have ignored.

You know what I know? Patrol officers HATE DOING SHIT LIKE THAT. No patrol officer, EVER, went onto the job hoping to bust bums for not having a big enough paper bag over their 40 oz tall boy.

This chief is the one at the top of the food chain who put his officers into the position of focusing on minor issues, which pisses off the residents, and makes the jobs of those officers 100% more difficult.

The term for this is quota. What officer, ever, have you worked with who enjoyed meeting an arrest quota?

You are exactly right about that. Cops dont like needlessly enforcing petty shit. But they will...IF its a high crime area...because its proven to suppress violent crime. If an armed thug leaves home with bad intent...the more likely he feels he'll be pulled over..the less likely he is to go fulfill that bad intent. Its proven time and time again.

Quotas are illegal. Not saying they dont happen...but they are VERY uncommon. Im not saying there arent mayors who'd love a quota. But cops know they're illegsl..in fact...unions are one of the best protections against unlawful quotas because as you said...cops hate them.

 

[pillars]

You are exactly right about that. Cops dont like needlessly enforcing petty shit. But they will...IF its a high crime area...because its proven to suppress violent crime. If an armed thug leaves home with bad intent...the more likely he feels he'll be pulled over..the less likely he is to go fulfill that bad intent. Its proven time and time again.

Quotas are illegal. Not saying they dont happen...but they are VERY uncommon. Im not saying there arent mayors who'd love a quota. But cops know they're illegsl..in fact...unions are one of the best protections against unlawful quotas because as you said...cops hate them.

So why exactly are we supporting a guy who did that to his officers for no good reason? Hmm?

 

[bucs90]

You are exactly right about that. Cops dont like needlessly enforcing petty shit. But they will...IF its a high crime area...because its proven to suppress violent crime. If an armed thug leaves home with bad intent...the more likely he feels he'll be pulled over..the less likely he is to go fulfill that bad intent. Its proven time and time again.

Quotas are illegal. Not saying they dont happen...but they are VERY uncommon. Im not saying there arent mayors who'd love a quota. But cops know they're illegsl..in fact...unions are one of the best protections against unlawful quotas because as you said...cops hate them.

So why exactly are we supporting a guy who did that to his officers for no good reason? Hmm?

Well show me proof of an unlawful quota...and ill agree with you.

Ferguson cops did aggressively enforce laws. In a high crime area...that works in suppressing violent crime. But it seems the cops were on board with it. Just like NYPDs aggressive policy slashed violent crime.

If they did have an illegal quota policy...thats different and id never support it.

 

[pillars]

Well show me proof of an unlawful quota...and ill agree with you.

You don't raise fines by 80% in 2 years without having arrest quotas.

Ferguson cops did aggressively enforce laws. In a high crime area...that works in suppressing violent crime. But it seems the cops were on board with it. Just like NYPDs aggressive policy slashed violent crime.

Actually, broken windows policing, which is what we're talking about here, has not been shown to reduce crime. It does, however, increase community resentment towards law enforcement officers.

Broken windows policing (also called “zero tolerance” policing) is based on practical theory developed in the 1980s (Wilson & Kelling, 1982). It focuses on the strict enforcement of laws against disorderly behavior and minor offenses (considered “quality of life” offenses), such as prostitution, public urination, and aggressive panhandling (Sousa & Kelling, 2006). The intent is to prevent more serious crimes from happening. The term “broken windows” is a metaphor that alludes to the fact that if a broken window is left unfixed, it indicates that no one cares and invites more broken windows and more serious criminal behavior (Sousa & Kelling, 2006). Research results of the effectiveness of broken windows policing have been mixed. A summary of studies in seven cities (Skogan, 1990, 1992) found no evidence that the strict enforcement of disorder ordinances reduced additional disorder or more serious crimes. Another more recent study (Kelling & Sousa, 2001) found a direct link between misdemeanor arrests and a reduction in more serious crime, but data limitations raised questions about the validity of the study’s conclusions. New York City used this type of policing intensively in the 1990s, and many NYC officials have concluded it was the reason why the crime rate dropped during that time. However, researchers have not rigorously evaluated these claims, and many cite other reasons for New York City’s crime decrease (e.g., effect of the crack epidemic as well as general crime and economic trends) (Weisburd & Eck, 2004).

http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/46974_CH_3.pdf

There are other, better strategies with greater effectiveness at reducing violent crime.

 

[MarathonMike]

Jeez Loeez are you kidding? Is that where we're at now, you don't even need to know a person just look at them and decide what they are like?

 

[bucs90]

Well show me proof of an unlawful quota...and ill agree with you.

You don't raise fines by 80% in 2 years without having arrest quotas.

Ferguson cops did aggressively enforce laws. In a high crime area...that works in suppressing violent crime. But it seems the cops were on board with it. Just like NYPDs aggressive policy slashed violent crime.

Actually, broken windows policing, which is what we're talking about here, has not been shown to reduce crime. It does, however, increase community resentment towards law enforcement officers.

Broken windows policing (also called “zero tolerance” policing) is based on practical theory developed in the 1980s (Wilson & Kelling, 1982). It focuses on the strict enforcement of laws against disorderly behavior and minor offenses (considered “quality of life” offenses), such as prostitution, public urination, and aggressive panhandling (Sousa & Kelling, 2006). The intent is to prevent more serious crimes from happening. The term “broken windows” is a metaphor that alludes to the fact that if a broken window is left unfixed, it indicates that no one cares and invites more broken windows and more serious criminal behavior (Sousa & Kelling, 2006). Research results of the effectiveness of broken windows policing have been mixed. A summary of studies in seven cities (Skogan, 1990, 1992) found no evidence that the strict enforcement of disorder ordinances reduced additional disorder or more serious crimes. Another more recent study (Kelling & Sousa, 2001) found a direct link between misdemeanor arrests and a reduction in more serious crime, but data limitations raised questions about the validity of the study’s conclusions. New York City used this type of policing intensively in the 1990s, and many NYC officials have concluded it was the reason why the crime rate dropped during that time. However, researchers have not rigorously evaluated these claims, and many cite other reasons for New York City’s crime decrease (e.g., effect of the crack epidemic as well as general crime and economic trends) (Weisburd & Eck, 2004).

http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/46974_CH_3.pdf

There are other, better strategies with greater effectiveness at reducing violent crime.

That happens all the time. Sometimes its change in leadership that allows cops to be more proactive....or the retirement of leaders who discouraged proactive officers (lots of those types. Many police supervisors want as little "action" as possible because its less work and less drama).

Or..could be a response to crime spikes. Crime goes up...so does proactive policing.

The broken windows theory has its naysayers and supporters. I dont support it as a general practice. But I do support it as a response to crime spikes...and as a tool to.bring order to very high crime areas.

 

[pillars]

I think there is a difference between hot spot strategies (which are limited, targeted, and effective), and broken windows policing, which is typically broad, not targeted, and not very effective. In my opinion, Ferguson was using the latter to increase city revenues.

That's not a good use of law enforcement.

And truthfully, it's really unfair to the officers involved.

 

[Political Junky]

This fucker looks like feral racist.

He looks like any other white male in his 50s. You profiling now? And you arent from Africa.

He looks like Archie Bunker.

I thought the same thing.

 

[bripat9643]

This fucker looks like feral racist.

Only a racist would say someone looks like a racist.

 

[B. Kidd]

Retired just in the nick of time............before getting shot.........; its' called, WINNING!!!