Federal Rules and Regulations cost average household $15,000 a year.

[g5000]

I suppose the fact that Americans on average commit 3 felonies a day is OK with you

Link?

You Commit Three Felonies a Day

There is nothing in that story which supports your claim.

There are two anecdotes, neither of which have anything to do with the average American. And anecdotes are not evidence.

lol, he'll respond with something like, prove it isn't true.

I often see the argument from ignorance fallacy here. Or it's mongoloid inbred version, "Look it up yourself!"

 

[NYcarbineer]

I guess healthmyths is going to continue to just post more anecdotes in order to evade answering how much of the $15,000 is ill spent.

Will he make the stupid mistake of starting topics by brainlessly copying and pasting from a propaganda outlet again? Will he get back in line for a refill of his piss cup?

You'd save the cost of your driver's license, for starters, lol.

 

[Care4all]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

Which federal regulations? For example, I'm down with regulations that require clean water and clean air.

How about this EPA regulation...
Stormwater runoff is generated from rain and snowmelt events that flow over land or impervious surfaces, such as paved streets, parking lots, and building rooftops, and does not soak into the ground. The runoff picks up pollutants like trash, chemicals, oils, and dirt/sediment that can harm our rivers, streams, lakes, and coastal waters. To protect these resources, communities, construction companies, industries, and others, use stormwater controls, known as best management practices (BMPs). These BMPs filter out pollutants and/or prevent pollution by controlling it at its source.
NPDES Stormwater Program | National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) | US EPA


Shahram Kharaghani, watershed protection division manager for Los Angeles, estimated it will cost $5 billion to $8 billion to meet the storm water standards for the city over the next two decades.
New storm water runoff rules could cost cities billions
This is just ONE metropolitan area.
At a cost of approximately $30/person in the top 6 Metropolitan areas with 61 million people that works out to over $36 billion for 20 years.
List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who pays it? The cities. Who pays the cities? Property tax owners. NOW do you understand!

So $30 dollars per person every 20 years? Breaking down to an annual cost of $1.50 a year per person for clean water? Given an average family of 4, that's 6 bucks a year.

You've got $14,994.00 a year to go.

Actually, it's not a bad regulation at all, no matter what the costs would be, since it keeps lakes and rivers from being polluted from the pesticides and other bad chemicals in the runoff....

runoff killed our salmon industry up here due to the poisonous run off in to the rivers from chemicals used in farming, and manufacturing...

 

[g5000]

"Federal Rules and Regulations cost average household $15,000 a year."


Let's stipulate that is true.

Now fill in the blank, healthmyths: "Federal Rules and Regulations save average household $______ a year."

 

[NightFox]

Second question: Obama signed off on those new rules, isn't true that the Congress writes the rules?

Just to point out another problem that most people don't realize, Congress doesn't "write" the regulations, they write/pass the laws from which the regulations are derived, un-elected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch write the vast preponderance of new regulations.

Congress has passed one of it's Constitutional Responsibilities off to the Executive Branch, comforting, huh?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suppose the fact that Americans on average commit 3 felonies a day is OK with you

Link?

You Commit Three Felonies a Day

There is nothing in that story which supports your claim.

There are two anecdotes, neither of which have anything to do with the average American. And anecdotes are not evidence.

lol, he'll respond with something like, prove it isn't true.

I often see the argument from ignorance fallacy here. Or it's mongoloid inbred version, "Look it up yourself!"

You tell them you can't prove a negative, and their response is Prove that I can't!

 

[g5000]

Second question: Obama signed off on those new rules, isn't true that the Congress writes the rules?

Just to point out another problem that most people don't realize, Congress doesn't "write" the regulations, they write/pass the laws from which the regulations are derived, un-elected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch write the vast preponderance of new regulations.

Congress has passed one of it's Constitutional Responsibilities off to the Executive Branch, comforting, huh?

Congress writes the framework, often spelling out exactly what the regulations need to regulate. They also write very specific regulations in many cases. The Executive is then supposed to execute those laws and regulations.

See Frank-Dodd. That law contains over 3500 "shalls".

See ACA.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Second question: Obama signed off on those new rules, isn't true that the Congress writes the rules?

Just to point out another problem that most people don't realize, Congress doesn't "write" the regulations, they write/pass the laws from which the regulations are derived, un-elected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch write the vast preponderance of new regulations.

Congress has passed one of it's Constitutional Responsibilities off to the Executive Branch, comforting, huh?

If Congress passes the law, it's a law passed by ELECTED representatives. Who wrote it is irrelevant.

 

[healthmyths]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

Which federal regulations? For example, I'm down with regulations that require clean water and clean air.

How about this EPA regulation...
Stormwater runoff is generated from rain and snowmelt events that flow over land or impervious surfaces, such as paved streets, parking lots, and building rooftops, and does not soak into the ground. The runoff picks up pollutants like trash, chemicals, oils, and dirt/sediment that can harm our rivers, streams, lakes, and coastal waters. To protect these resources, communities, construction companies, industries, and others, use stormwater controls, known as best management practices (BMPs). These BMPs filter out pollutants and/or prevent pollution by controlling it at its source.
NPDES Stormwater Program | National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) | US EPA


Shahram Kharaghani, watershed protection division manager for Los Angeles, estimated it will cost $5 billion to $8 billion to meet the storm water standards for the city over the next two decades.
New storm water runoff rules could cost cities billions
This is just ONE metropolitan area.
At a cost of approximately $30/person in the top 6 Metropolitan areas with 61 million people that works out to over $36 billion for 20 years.
List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who pays it? The cities. Who pays the cities? Property tax owners. NOW do you understand!

So $30 dollars per person every 20 years? Breaking down to an annual cost of $1.50 a year per person for clean water? Given an average family of 4, that's 6 bucks a year.

You've got $14,994.00 a year to go.

YOU are using the $15,000 figure as being made up of costs like I illustrated. The $30 cost was to create the compliance.
The $15,000 is the annual COST of administering the compliance. NOT the construction costs etc to meet the requirements.
Again remember my OSHA cost figure. Hire one more person above 15 and you as the employer have to incur costs for an additional water closet.
NOT cost to comply with rules and regulations but construction to BRING to compliance. BIG difference.

Also the EPA example is just ONE. OSHA is just ONE. Both are compliance costs to bring up to the rules...not to administer the compliance.
Case in point. YOU never heard I'm sure of the "Authorized Official Information" officer. This is a person who is responsible to make sure their employer is in full compliance with Medicare in order to send Medicare claims. There are over 3 million Medicare providers. Each of which have to have a "compliance officer".
This officer spends a minimum of 10 hours per year. At a annual salary of a minimum of $50,000 this is $250 a year JUST to comply with Medicare!
Again ONE example of rules/regulations JUST from the Federal government regarding Medicare.

Salary

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), an individual who holds a position as a compliance officer can earn an annual salary ranging from $36,970 to $101,206, or an hourly wage of $17.77 to $48.68.


Read more: Compliance Officer: Job Description and Average Salary | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/articles/professionals/102915/compliance-officer-job-description-and-average-salary.asp#ixzz3xFNGzfBA

 

[Agit8r]

More Rupublican math. No one is stupid enough to think that the costs of regulation (whatever they might actually be) are divided equally among each household

 

[g5000]

Second question: Obama signed off on those new rules, isn't true that the Congress writes the rules?

Just to point out another problem that most people don't realize, Congress doesn't "write" the regulations

Just to show how wrong you are, here is Section 531 of Dodd-Frank:


531.
Regulation of credit for reinsurance and reinsurance agreements
(a)
Credit for reinsurance
If the State of domicile of a ceding insurer is an NAIC-accredited State, or has financial solvency requirements substantially similar to the requirements necessary for NAIC accreditation, and recognizes credit for reinsurance for the insurer’s ceded risk, then no other State may deny such credit for reinsurance


This is a classic example of a federal pre-emption, by the way.

 

[healthmyths]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

Which federal regulations? For example, I'm down with regulations that require clean water and clean air.

How about this EPA regulation...
Stormwater runoff is generated from rain and snowmelt events that flow over land or impervious surfaces, such as paved streets, parking lots, and building rooftops, and does not soak into the ground. The runoff picks up pollutants like trash, chemicals, oils, and dirt/sediment that can harm our rivers, streams, lakes, and coastal waters. To protect these resources, communities, construction companies, industries, and others, use stormwater controls, known as best management practices (BMPs). These BMPs filter out pollutants and/or prevent pollution by controlling it at its source.
NPDES Stormwater Program | National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) | US EPA


Shahram Kharaghani, watershed protection division manager for Los Angeles, estimated it will cost $5 billion to $8 billion to meet the storm water standards for the city over the next two decades.
New storm water runoff rules could cost cities billions
This is just ONE metropolitan area.
At a cost of approximately $30/person in the top 6 Metropolitan areas with 61 million people that works out to over $36 billion for 20 years.
List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who pays it? The cities. Who pays the cities? Property tax owners. NOW do you understand!

So $30 dollars per person every 20 years? Breaking down to an annual cost of $1.50 a year per person for clean water? Given an average family of 4, that's 6 bucks a year.

You've got $14,994.00 a year to go.

Actually, it's not a bad regulation at all, no matter what the costs would be, since it keeps lakes and rivers from being polluted from the pesticides and other bad chemicals in the runoff....

runoff killed our salmon industry up here due to the poisonous run off in to the rivers from chemicals used in farming, and manufacturing...

So EPA controls businesses, farmers from using pesticides. How then will their be any run off to manage?
Do you understand what I'm saying?
IF there are already in place controls over farmers/businesses as to what KIND of chemicals they use how can there be any runoff?
Another way of looking at it. If a chemical manufacturer already has EPA rules and regulations on WHAT they can manufacture how will the farmers get it in the first place?

Total duplicity of effort is what common sense seems to be showing but WE don't have common sense in the government administrators.
They protect their own little fiefdom.

 

[Skylar]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

Which federal regulations? For example, I'm down with regulations that require clean water and clean air.

How about this EPA regulation...
Stormwater runoff is generated from rain and snowmelt events that flow over land or impervious surfaces, such as paved streets, parking lots, and building rooftops, and does not soak into the ground. The runoff picks up pollutants like trash, chemicals, oils, and dirt/sediment that can harm our rivers, streams, lakes, and coastal waters. To protect these resources, communities, construction companies, industries, and others, use stormwater controls, known as best management practices (BMPs). These BMPs filter out pollutants and/or prevent pollution by controlling it at its source.
NPDES Stormwater Program | National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) | US EPA


Shahram Kharaghani, watershed protection division manager for Los Angeles, estimated it will cost $5 billion to $8 billion to meet the storm water standards for the city over the next two decades.
New storm water runoff rules could cost cities billions
This is just ONE metropolitan area.
At a cost of approximately $30/person in the top 6 Metropolitan areas with 61 million people that works out to over $36 billion for 20 years.
List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who pays it? The cities. Who pays the cities? Property tax owners. NOW do you understand!

So $30 dollars per person every 20 years? Breaking down to an annual cost of $1.50 a year per person for clean water? Given an average family of 4, that's 6 bucks a year.

You've got $14,994.00 a year to go.

YOU are using the $15,000 figure as being made up of costs like I illustrated. The $30 cost was to create the compliance.
The $15,000 is the annual COST of administering the compliance. NOT the construction costs etc to meet the requirements.

Compliance with *which* regulations? So far you've identified about $1.50 per person per year fees......for clean water.

I'm totally cool with that.

 

[MisterBeale]

Auto deaths keep dropping even though there are more cars than ever . Why? Cause of safety regs.

True an airbag adds to the cost of the car, they also save thousands of lives every week .

No all regs are bad .

Incorrect.

They reduce freedom, that is the end effect.

The Fraud of Seat-Belt Laws
Seat-Belt Laws Infringe a Person's Constitutional Rights

• William J. Holdorf

Sunday, September 01, 2002
The Fraud of Seat-Belt Laws | William J. Holdorf

Such action by seat-belt law supporters shows the insidious nature of such laws, and supporters continue to lobby for stricter enforcement and heavier penalties. Even the U.S. Supreme Court in 2001 added its own flavor of tyranny by ruling it was legal for a Texas police officer to arrest, handcuff, and jail a woman, and impound her car, for not buckling up herself and her children.5 Our nation, founded on freedom, certainly has come a long way from Patrick Henry’s cry, “Give me liberty or give me death,” to “Click it or ticket.”

 

[Votto]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

It is a war on capitalism

This is how statists view capitalism

1. It is a necessary evil. They need some form of it to produce wealth since they don't produce any themselves, so they limit such wealth through corporations which they control.

2. Economic power equals freedom. Freedom equals more pollution and less natural resources. Therefore, a free market shall be under assault till the end of time in order to save mother earth and help control the slave labor.

3. The real goal of a statist is complete control. That is why morality has been under assault along with the free market. After all, how must you govern over a society that has no morality? It would be akin to governing over a nation of convicts. The only way to govern them would be to treat society like a prison and build walls around them, hence the police state. Always remember, laws restrict freedom, so any time a law of regulation is passed, somewhere a statist earns their wings.

Centralized despotism

It's the Progs solution to saving the environment.

 

[Skylar]

Auto deaths keep dropping even though there are more cars than ever . Why? Cause of safety regs.

True an airbag adds to the cost of the car, they also save thousands of lives every week .

No all regs are bad .

Incorrect.

They reduce freedom, that is the end effect.

The Fraud of Seat-Belt Laws
Seat-Belt Laws Infringe a Person's Constitutional Rights

• William J. Holdorf

Sunday, September 01, 2002
The Fraud of Seat-Belt Laws | William J. Holdorf

Such action by seat-belt law supporters shows the insidious nature of such laws, and supporters continue to lobby for stricter enforcement and heavier penalties. Even the U.S. Supreme Court in 2001 added its own flavor of tyranny by ruling it was legal for a Texas police officer to arrest, handcuff, and jail a woman, and impound her car, for not buckling up herself and her children.5 Our nation, founded on freedom, certainly has come a long way from Patrick Henry’s cry, “Give me liberty or give me death,” to “Click it or ticket.”

Travel is a right. Driving is a privilege. And basic safety requirements for driving are perfectly reasonable.

 

[Skylar]

Everyone keeps describing the declining income of Americans.

Here is one major reason!


According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, covering the cost of federal regulations costs American families close to $15,000 of their average income.
“Can you imagine what your family could do with an additional $14,974 for groceries, gasoline, and savings? Congress owes it to the American people to carefully scrutinize the regulatory process to ensure regulations work for the people,” Lankford’s report notes. “We can balance responsible regulations with cost-effective solutions that work for families.”
While in the past year Obama signed 224 bills into law, he also published 3,554 final rules. “This means that for every law passed by Congress, the federal government created 16 new rules,” according to the report.

These 3,554 regulations impose significant costs on the American economy. The National Association of Manufacturers calculated the total cost of federal regulations in 2012 to be a staggering $2.028 trillion (11 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product). If our $2 trillion federal regulatory cost were a country, it would be the ninth-largest in the world.
Obama's 3,554 Rules and Regulations Cost Households $15,000 - Breitbart​

​

It is a war on capitalism

This is how statists view capitalism

1. It is a necessary evil. They need some form of it to produce wealth since they don't produce any themselves, so they limit such wealth through corporations which they control.

2. Economic power equals freedom. Freedom equals more pollution and less natural resources. Therefore, a free market shall be under assault till the end of time in order to save mother earth and help control the slave labor.

3. The real goal of a statist is complete control. That is why morality has been under assault along with the free market. After all, how must you govern over a society that has no morality? It would be akin to governing over a nation of convicts. The only way to govern them would be to treat society like a prison and build walls around them, hence the police state. Always remember, laws restrict freedom, so any time a law of regulation is passed, somewhere a statist earns their wings.

Centralized despotism

It's the Progs solution to saving the environment.

Save that nothing you just posted is actually accurate.

 

[NightFox]

Just to show how wrong you are, here is Section 531 of Dodd-Frank:


531.
Regulation of credit for reinsurance and reinsurance agreements
(a)
Credit for reinsurance
If the State of domicile of a ceding insurer is an NAIC-accredited State, or has financial solvency requirements substantially similar to the requirements necessary for NAIC accreditation, and recognizes credit for reinsurance for the insurer’s ceded risk, then no other State may deny such credit for reinsurance


This is a classic example of a federal pre-emption, by the way.

Just to show you how disingenuous you are.

laws from which the regulations are derived, un-elected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch write the vast preponderance of new regulations.

Run along now......



"Be bad, but at least don't be a liar, a deceiver!" -- Leo Tolstoy

 

[kiwiman127]

Second question: Obama signed off on those new rules, isn't true that the Congress writes the rules?

Just to point out another problem that most people don't realize, Congress doesn't "write" the regulations, they write/pass the laws from which the regulations are derived, un-elected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch write the vast preponderance of new regulations.

Congress has passed one of it's Constitutional Responsibilities off to the Executive Branch, comforting, huh?

Well that's passing the partisan buck.

 

[boilermaker55]

If the corporations had their way, like you want them too, it would be like Mexico here.
You don't have a clue.

But but to the left/dem. that is the Guberment taking care to give us clean water and air to breath. don't ya know

sickening. no wonder we are suffering so bad