FBI statistics show 4 active shooters were stopped by armed citizens in 2021

[ding]

And it is precisely that kind of emoting that proves you are useless for any debate on public policy.

Exactly. It's emotional for her. There is no acceptable level of gun violence and gun accidents they will accept which is why the logical conclusion for them is banning and confiscating all firearms. It's crazy to think that they would punish peaceable law abiding citizens for the bad acts of men of ill will. Makes no sense.

 

[2aguy]

So which definition was used to arrive at 693 mass shootings in 2021 with 702 people killed ?

The definition? The group that put that list together used gang shootings and family murder…….the FBI doesn’t include those in their definition, and Mother Jones uses the FBI definition.

A mass public shooting is one, sometimes more than one, individual who goes to a public place to murder strangers…….that is a different crime than gang members rolling up on rival gang members and shooting at them.

The anti-gun fanatics realize this, but when the actual number of definitional mass public shootings is only 6 in 2021, 2 in 2020 and 5 in 2019….it is hard to stampede uninformed Americans into giving up their 2nd Amendment Rights…

 

[westwall]

Whatever it takes to square your circle. Dead is dead.

Yeah, that's true. But I truly don't give a shit when scumbags kill scumbags.

 

[surada]

So which definition was used to arrive at 693 mass shootings in 2021 with 702 people killed ?

The definition I've seen is 4 dead not including the shooter.

 

[2aguy]

The definition I've seen is 4 dead not including the shooter.

obama changed that definition....it used to be 4, but that wasn't giving the anti-gun fanatics the number of mass public shootings they needed...so obama changed the number to 3...

In January 2013, a mandate for federal investigation of mass shootings authorized by President Barack Obama lowered that baseline to three or more victims killed. Accordingly, we include attacks dating from January 2013 in which three or more victims were killed.

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Here is Mother Jones’ groundbreaking database, now documenting 148 public attacks since 1982.

www.motherjones.com

 

[2aguy]

The definition I've seen is 4 dead not including the shooter.

With 3 dead, you don't get close to the number ding is using....you don't get there without including every gang banger shooting, or near shooting, because his database includes shootings with no killings and just near misses and injuries....

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

obama changed that definition....it used to be 4, but that wasn't giving the anti-gun fanatics the number of mass public shootings they needed...so obama changed the number to 3...

In January 2013, a mandate for federal investigation of mass shootings authorized by President Barack Obama lowered that baseline to three or more victims killed. Accordingly, we include attacks dating from January 2013 in which three or more victims were killed.

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Here is Mother Jones’ groundbreaking database, now documenting 148 public attacks since 1982.

www.motherjones.com

How high should it be before gun advocates actually care?

Just curious. Nice to know how many dead bodies have to pile up before some people take notice.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

And it is precisely that kind of emoting that proves you are useless for any debate on public policy.

Well, then I guess we leave it to the psychopaths who are OK with 20 little kids getting gunned down.

Over. And OVer. And over again.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Exactly. It's emotional for her.

-sigh- And again....

There is no acceptable level of gun violence

Are you OK with 20 dead little kids? That's "acceptable" to you? Wow, you are creepy and sick.

 

[westwall]

How high should it be before gun advocates actually care?

Just curious. Nice to know how many dead bodies have to pile up before some people take notice.

The alternative is 65 million dead when the government decides to kill those they don't like.

I will take the guns over that any day.

 

[westwall]

-sigh- And again....



Are you OK with 20 dead little kids? That's "acceptable" to you? Wow, you are creepy and sick.

Better than the 65 million you want to see dead. You are twisted and sick.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

The alternative is 65 million dead when the government decides to kill those they don't like.

I will take the guns over that any day.

Why do you guys always view the options as one of two extremes:

Either we are a vicious dictatorship where the population is murdered by the government all the time OR we are a "free country" that has record breaking levels of gun homicides and mass shootings unlike what happens in literally every other nation on earth?

Are you prone to "catastrophization" on everything?

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Better than the 65 million you want to see dead. You are twisted and sick.

Drama queen much?

 

[westwall]

Why do you guys always view the options as one of two extremes:

Either we are a vicious dictatorship where the population is murdered by the government all the time OR we are a "free country" that has record breaking levels of gun homicides and mass shootings unlike what happens in literally every other nation on earth?

Are you prone to "catastrophization" on everything?

Because history tells us that is the end result.

100% of the time.

 

[westwall]

Drama queen much?

Yeah, you whine and cry a lot.

How come?

 

[2aguy]

How high should it be before gun advocates actually care?

Just curious. Nice to know how many dead bodies have to pile up before some people take notice.

We already care, we propose actual solutions…you morons just want to ban guns from people who commit no crimes.

 

[2aguy]

Well, then I guess we leave it to the psychopaths who are OK with 20 little kids getting gunned down.

Over. And OVer. And over again.

The government didn’t go into that building for an hour……..meanwhile, in West Virginia, a woman with a concealed carry pistol stopped a mass public shooting with her concealed carry pistol….against the attackers AR-15 rifle

She saved lives with her gun, you moron…..a gun you would take away from her…

The Near Mass Shooting Most of the Media Won't Tell You About

townhall.com

 

[2aguy]

Well, then I guess we leave it to the psychopaths who are OK with 20 little kids getting gunned down.

Over. And OVer. And over again.

Nope, but you seem to be, since nothing you want would have saved them while several of our ideas likely would have kept them alive…

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Nope, but you seem to be, since nothing you want would have saved them while several of our ideas likely would have kept them alive…

At least I want SOMETHING done. Which is how I know I still have a conscience.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

The government didn’t go into that building for an hour……..meanwhile, in West Virginia, a woman with a concealed carry pistol stopped a mass public shooting with her concealed carry pistol….against the attackers AR-15 rifle

So should we get rid of police and just replace it with randos carrying concealed weapons? You know the "wild west" fantasy you live in wasn't that big of a chunk of American history and there's a reason people don't walk around like in the wild-west towns in those movies you watched. It's because that isn't what civilization looks like.

She saved lives with her gun, you moron…..a gun you would take away from her…

SHE saved lives. But "...Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense." (SOURCE)

It's like pointing to someone who hit the jackpot in Vegas on a slot machine and suggesting that that is how EVERYONE should make a living.