FBI: Saudis linked to 911.

[Big Bend Texas]

You know prince Sultan? I am especially fond of Salman and King Abdallah.

I met a good many members of the Royal Family while working out of SA. I certainly wasn't buddies with any of them however nor did I hang out with them off duty.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Is that where you get your information?

I got my info from the FBI report.

 

[surada]

And, what is it I'm supposed to be looking for there? Can you copy and paste it?

Just do simplified view .

Oral History - Richard Cheney | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Just do simplified view .

Oral History - Richard Cheney | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS

Again, what specifically is it I'm supposed to be looking for? How about you just copy and paste it instead of throwing out Red Herrings?

 

[surada]

I met a good many members of the Royal Family while working out of SA. I certainly wasn't buddies with any of them however nor did I hang out with them off duty.

There's a thousand royals.

 

[surada]

Again, what specifically is it I'm supposed to be looking for? How about you just copy and paste it instead of throwing out Red Herrings?

Just do the simplified view. Cheney brags about how h lied to the king in this interview.

Oral History - Richard Cheney | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[Big Bend Texas]

There's a thousand royals.

More actually, so what is your point? I never stated the whole family was supporting AQ just a few individuals.

 

[surada]

More actually, so what is your point? I never stated the whole family was supporting AQ just a few individuals.

Name them.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Just do the simplified view. Cheney brags about how h lied to the king in this interview.

Oral History - Richard Cheney | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS

I don't see such an option and I'm not going to read the entire thing for you.

Your article actually fully supports my statements on the subject.

The question was, the thing no one could answer was the question of casualties and we assumed with respect to the air war that our worst night would be the first night. That you had the Iraqi forces, the air force basically full up, the air defence system in place -- that we would suffer our largest number of casualties that first night of the air war. And in fact when it was all over with I spent the night in my office at the Pentagon and I got the word when all the aircraft came back we'd only lost one airplane and it was just a phenomenal result. I could not believe that we'd done that well. Obviously we'd been enormously successful and all the training Q: How important was the meeting with the Saudis? Cheney: It was a very important assignment. From a military standpoint if we could not get into Saudi Arabia it was going to be very hard for us to do anything militarily other than mount a naval blockade for example What did you say to King Fahd? Cheney: I told King Fahd that the Iraqis were amassed on his border and we briefed him on the intelligence in terms of the size of the force that the Iraqis had already used in Kuwait. Pointed out that it was very hard for us to be able to help them unless we could get plenty of advance time 'cos it takes a long time to move heavy forces half way around the world and that timing was of the essence. That they did not have the luxury of waiting until Saddam began an invasion of Saudi Arabia and then ask for help because then it would be too late. We could not get there in time to help them if that were the case. That if he wanted help and assistance and we thought they needed it then it was important to start immediately. King Fahd had listened attentively throughout the meeting They knew exactly why we were there. There was very little small talk, we went right straight to the issue. We had about a two-hour session, at the end of which there was a short conversation between King Fahd and his associates, the Crown Prince, the Foreign Minister, and then he turned back to me after about five minutes of discussions in Arabic and said through the interpreter, through Prince Bandar, that they were prepared to go ahead to accept the U.S. forces in the Kingdom.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Name them.

Go back and read the report, that was 20 years ago.

 

[surada]

I don't see such an option and I'm not going to read the entire thing for you.

Your article actually fully supports my statements on the subject.

The question was, the thing no one could answer was the question of casualties and we assumed with respect to the air war that our worst night would be the first night. That you had the Iraqi forces, the air force basically full up, the air defence system in place -- that we would suffer our largest number of casualties that first night of the air war. And in fact when it was all over with I spent the night in my office at the Pentagon and I got the word when all the aircraft came back we'd only lost one airplane and it was just a phenomenal result. I could not believe that we'd done that well. Obviously we'd been enormously successful and all the training Q: How important was the meeting with the Saudis? Cheney: It was a very important assignment. From a military standpoint if we could not get into Saudi Arabia it was going to be very hard for us to do anything militarily other than mount a naval blockade for example What did you say to King Fahd? Cheney: I told King Fahd that the Iraqis were amassed on his border and we briefed him on the intelligence in terms of the size of the force that the Iraqis had already used in Kuwait. Pointed out that it was very hard for us to be able to help them unless we could get plenty of advance time 'cos it takes a long time to move heavy forces half way around the world and that timing was of the essence. That they did not have the luxury of waiting until Saddam began an invasion of Saudi Arabia and then ask for help because then it would be too late. We could not get there in time to help them if that were the case. That if he wanted help and assistance and we thought they needed it then it was important to start immediately. King Fahd had listened attentively throughout the meeting They knew exactly why we were there. There was very little small talk, we went right straight to the issue. We had about a two-hour session, at the end of which there was a short conversation between King Fahd and his associates, the Crown Prince, the Foreign Minister, and then he turned back to me after about five minutes of discussions in Arabic and said through the interpreter, through Prince Bandar, that they were prepared to go ahead to accept the U.S. forces in the Kingdom.

The big lie was that Saddam was going to invade KSA. The Saudis had forgiven Saddam's OPEC quota debt. The crown prince and others knew Cheney was lying.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The big lie was that Saddam was going to invade KSA. The Saudis had forgiven Saddam's OPEC quota debt. The crown prince and others knew Cheney was lying.

Ahh, so you made it up. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[surada]

Ahh, so you made it up. Thanks for clearing that up.

No wonder you don't read the whole article.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

No wonder you don't read the whole article.

I'm not going to waste hours trying to find something for you when it's totally trivial.

They had strong evidence of a couple of minor princes being personally involved but no evidence at all that the Gov't had in any way backed or funded AQ.

 

[surada]

I'm not going to waste hours trying to find something for you when it's totally trivial.

They had strong evidence of a couple of minor princes being personally involved but no evidence at all that the Gov't had in any way backed or funded AQ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/08/01/abdullah-foreign-leaders-oppose-attack/e0a8f411-e996-4e4a-ad60-24900123d794/

 

[Big Bend Texas]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/08/01/abdullah-foreign-leaders-oppose-attack/e0a8f411-e996-4e4a-ad60-24900123d794/

Which gives us exactly zero new information so what is your point?

 

[surada]

Which gives us exactly zero new information so what is your point?

The king of Jordan also opposed the invasion. The Arabs, oilmen, diplomats, historians and expats opposed the invasion.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The bin Laden family were from Yemen.

Wrong:

His mother, Alia Ghanem, was from a secular middle-class family in Latakia, Syria.[14] He was born in Saudi Arabia

Everyone knew the Saudis had revoked OBL's citizenship in 96

Wrong:

He was a Saudi Arabian citizen until 1994 {...} He continued to criticize King Fahd of Saudi Arabia. In response, in 1994 Fahd stripped bin Laden of his Saudi citizenship and persuaded his family to cut off his $7 million a year stipend. {...}

when they declared Al Qaeda a terrorist organization.

Wrong:

Osama bin Laden was first indicted by a grand jury of the United States on June 8, 1998, on a charges of conspiracy to attack defense utilities of the United States and prosecutors further charged that bin Laden was the head of the terrorist organization called al-Qaeda, and that he was a major financial backer of Islamic fighters worldwide.

Everyone.

Bullshit. Some of us were quite alive and aware back then. Play fast and loose with the truth on your own time.

 

[surada]

Wrong:


Wrong:


Wrong:


Bullshit. Some of us were quite alive and aware back then. Play fast and loose with the truth on your own time.

Bin Laden divorced Osama's mother and he spent most of his childhood in Syria. Saudi Arabia had already declared AQ a terrorist organization before 1998.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Bin Laden divorced Osama's mother and he spent most of his childhood in Syria.

{Even IF true} So??????????????????????