Hi Slack:
Stores here in Arizona are restocking and the prices are up. The black market is really thriving as most people I know are very much against having a record of owning one, or at least thats what I hear from a friend who knows these things.
We agree. However, the reason We The People are finding ways around the corrupt FBI ‘terrorism’ background stupidity is because,
“FBI Infringes Upon Second Amendment Rights Of U.S. Citizens,” which just happens to be the topic of this thread. The point is that We The People have the inalienable God-given Constitutional right to
‘keep and bear arms’ that can rightly be taken way from felons
found guilty by a Judge and Jury in a Court Of Law. I have no problem with Judges and Juries revoking the Constitutional rights of criminals who gave away their rights by doing the crime. However, I do have a big problem with an
out-of-control Bushie/Obama Administration ‘law enforcement’ agency creating lists of ‘domestic terrorists’ who have no felony convictions and no misdemeanor convictions and not even one point against their driving record in a decade.
If the corrupt FBI (of all agencies) has any reason for placing any American on any ‘terror list,’ then We The People have every right to see any terrorist accusations in writing with the right to defend ourselves in a COURT OF LAW. This FBI stupidity only attempts to keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, because the bad guys already have guns and will never try to purchase a gun ‘legally’ anyway. Those among us raised up with guns must find out that we are on some FBI terrorist list by trying to buy guns ‘legally,’ because our Second Amendment Rights have been revoked without our knowledge and we only find out by being denied our rights in embarrassing and degrading experiences down at the local gun shop where ‘we’ are now numbered among felons and common criminals.
I also know that at least a few folks have caches stashed in places accessable on foot or horseback. I think the real need for guns and ammo or other weapons really depends on where you are and what you plan to use those weapons for.
Nonsense. When the crap hits the fan (complete and utter Govt-created chaos), then those of you without guns will be playing Mad Max and the Wild Wild West with nothing to defend yourself and your family. My cousin pulled his travel trailer into Homestead Florida just three days after Hurricane Andrew and I joined him a few months later to gain first-hand experience of complete and utter lawlessness. We represented the ‘security’ at one of those temporary trailer/housing/leasing outlets right on U.S. 1 in south Miami, because they were experiencing break-ins every day and people were found murdered on the property all the time and something had to be done. We moved our travel trailers into position and lined up a series of broken/discarded Television sets across the road and had target-practice sessions with our guns to keep the bad guys at bay. They found out very quickly that we would blow their asses away if they tried to pull their crap at this location again and the show of strength was enough to restore law and order for months to come. If we had no guns to protect ourselves, our possessions, and all of the temporary housing parked on this large city block, then we would be the next victims found stuffed under one of those trailers and nobody would know the difference. You only need a gun for your own protection through the coming crisis, IF you are planning to survive . . . because the corrupt FBI will not be there to offer any assistance and you can take that to the bank . . .
here at least, explosives could be used to take out a few bridges and isolate large areas, making the need for protection use of a gun secondary to harvesting game for food.
Woooo horsy! We are not endorsing the kind of lawless behavior connected to the lawlessness that our Govt is creating for the very purpose of dragging We The People under Martial Law. We are hoping for the best and preparing ourselves for the worst-case scenario that includes
REX 84 FEMA Death Camps (
story) and U.S. Citizens becoming Senor Obama’s new “
domestic insurgents” (
story) targeted for
“Red List/Blue List” extermination (
story). At some point we may be called upon to join the local Militia against the Rogue Element now making moves against We The People for bringing in their New World Order. In that case we become the ‘resistance’ and some of the countermeasures you mention might become necessary; but we are not there yet. :0)
I look at the loads for some of the fancy 'assault' rifles and just don't see how I could kill an elk with it.
Fighting the New World Order has nothing to do with killing Bambi. Every animal can be trapped one way or another and we need our bullets for the bad guys. :0)
Conversely, trying to fend off several attackers with a bolt action 30-30 really isn't an ideal situation either.
Nobody fights off several attackers all alone with a 30-30, so let’s try to write somewhere near the perspective of reality. A group of resistance freedom fighters can demoralize even a large international foreign troop component using sniper fire that takes out their leaders on a daily basis. My buddy knocks beer cans off of his gate fence at a measured ¾ of a mile with his sniper rifle and scope, which is a great tool for the resistance countering New World Order cronies. :0)
he best weapon in my opinion for close proximity defense is a shotgun, preferably a double 12 or 16.
I do believe you will find more than one kind of screwdriver in your toolbox, because each situation requires a slightly different solution. The sniper rifle goes onto your shoulder, and your shotgun is brought into action, when the enemy is engaged in close quarters and you are looking at a new set of objectives and obstacles.
I am not a big handgun fan, and buying one legally paints a trail right back to the purchaser.
None of that will matter when the New World Order crap hits the proverbial fan. The resistance freedom fighter needs a sniper rifle, a solid 12-guage shotgun, a large caliber handgun and at least one military-type knife/dagger for when the situation deteriorates into hand-to-hand confrontations. We use these basic tools to then appropriate far superior equipment from the enemy. :0) BTW, the purchase of all guns in my state requires the FBI/NWO background check/paperwork . . .
If the govt. is really trying to infringe on the right to bear arms, it is doing a damn poor job. Everyone I know has guns.
We disagree. The FBI is compiling a list of law-abiding Americans for the sole purpose of infringing upon our 2nd Amendment Rights to keep and bear arms, which only affects ‘law-abiding’ members of the citizenry. The mere fact that any Govt agency can revoke your Constitutional Rights, ‘without’ the consent/actions of any judge or any jury of your peers, means We The People have already lost their rights by default. The next step will be for the out-of-control Obama Administration to restrict the sale of guns between law-abiding U.S. Citizens and require background checks for the purchase of ammunition for the guns they are trying to take away at the very same time. The fact that the corrupt FBI even has more than 1 million entries on
their ‘terror watch list’ (
story) says that We The People are already living in a Police State where our Constitutional Rights have been thrown right out the window.
If one was really worried about it, one would not make a purchase of said weapon in a gun store, only to have it tracked down and seized later. If one was indeed concerned about the government infringing on one's right to bear arms, reason would direct that person to obtain weapons without leaving a record of it, and hide it.
We agree. The Govt is working every day to infringe upon all of your Constitutional Rights, which will eventually lead We The People under Martial Law. The sad fact is that the corrupt FBI is making enemies of Americans by systematically taking it upon themselves to place us on their terrorist lists, which seems to represent their original intentions and underlying motives in the first place. Remember again that our 2nd Amendment rights are being routinely revoked over the spelling of names, identity theft and/or somebody using your Social Security number; but regaining your rights requires your fingerprints and filling out a pile of forms. Therefore, these FBI New World Order cronies are revoking your Constitutional Rights without even knowing if you are the perpetrator of any crime at all 'and' you are guilty until proven innocent.
If one was really concerned about the need to take such actions, then one might be inclined to stockpile food and relocate to a remote area. One might even attempt to find work in an occupation that kept one in or near remote areas. This type of concerned person might even learn or brush up on outdoor survival and first aid skills.
Not that I would advocate such actions, or even know much about it..... I'm just saying ......for the sake of conversation and all....
We agree. Anybody on the Red List or Blue List should be thinking about all of the above. :0)
GL,
Terral
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