Fascist America! Great job BUSH VOTERS

[jones]

Originally posted by jimnyc
Ummmmm, no!

Do a google search, or find a leftist forum, spark a debate, and learn something.


Just a personal home page of a regular everyday internet user. Makes no mention of the USA or Bush. http://www.takebackthemedia.com/donateftc.html You dont see a connection?

From the Islamic Republic news, crap. Would you post this on your website? of course not, its all lies to you.




A democratic propaganda site, no surprise that some Bush bashing will take place there.



A page by Ron Paul. I guess he wouldn't have a slanted view being he is running for president in 2004?
http://www.paul2004.com/



Very credible site here! Send them support and they will send you back a Tommy Chong T-Shirt! LOL



I see a pattern, This post is only discounting my sources, you have no views? You cant picture it in your head? America is not invincible. infact someone asked Jefferson.. "So this is a republic?" He answered "Yes, if you can keep it." also notice Lincoln's quote in an earlier reply. Both quotes are officially documented on .gov website

 

[jones]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
Please allow me.

First of all, a quick Google search of Dr. Lawrence Britt finds his article that you linked to, plus others, on quite a few leftist sites. So I'm sure that this was a totally unbiased report, right?

OK...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - it couldn't possibly be that, after 9/11, people spontaneously rallied around the flag? Flags on Cars, windows, infront of houses. Every speech bush makes he erges people to be more Patriotic

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - I have yet to see "torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." in America.

Long incarcerations of prisoner? There are men being held in guantanamo bay without legal reprisentation or contact w/ familes.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - the enemies attacked us on 9/11, not the other way around. Or did you forget that? .3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Serving in the US military as, with the exception of the Vietnam era, always been held up as a noble profession. 4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.................It says disproportionate amount of funding being redirected to military and the domestic problems are neglected. IT IS WIDLEY KNOWN that Tax cuts dont have long term benifits and arent even worth doing..and all the funds going to the war effort, Where are the reports of exactly where it is directed? Every Administration gives detailed reports to where our money is directetd...unless the goverment doesnt respect its people

5. Rampant Sexism - does not exist in America. There IS sexism, maybe not rampant but it exists in many professions.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Let's see... we have everything from Fox NEws, Drudge, CNN, the New Republic... boy, that's a controlled media, isn't it? They are controlled by money..the majority of americans watch CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC for their news. CNN is known now to have only 5 minutes of real news in 1 hr of "NEWS"........They got payed off to LIE. Why did BUSH propose to the FCC that they lift the limit on how much of the media could own in one city, was around 35% his proposal is around 75%

7. Obsession with National Security - Again, we have responded to an unprovoked attack on our nation, much unlike Nazi Germany, Chile, Italy, etc. Un provoked? think Isreal, they have nukes, and are considered to be an american power by islam. NOTE Isreal's daily attacks on palistan. And YES, our administration is blowing NATIONAL SECURITY ALL OVER THE AGENDA

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - This would more aptly describe the Taliban, not the US. There is a huge christian movement following bush, thier values are clearly explained in PNAC

9. Corporate Power is Protected - actually, in a facist state, the government controls the economy, not the other way around. OMG! How bout Its not just enron. where are the other scandals? surely its not just a few

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - labor is anything but supressed in America. Labor forces are OUTRAGED! you just dont see it on CNN

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Again, this is not seen in America. Nobel prize winner of economics, his message has not spread to mass media.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - we have the Bill of Rights to keep us from things like this happening. And please don't being up the Patriot Act... I can't stand people whining about increased crime enforcement. The FBI at this point can go into your home while you are gone, trash your house, take your computer, alll while YOU are away from your house..they dont even need to tell you prior or after the break in...Spying on what america reads in our own libraries.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - let's see... yup, all of Bush's Texas Rangers and oil business partners are now in office. YEP

14. Fraudulent Elections - Are you still trying to whine about the 2000 elections? blackboxvoting, rampant redistricting.


Sorry, I don't see any of the supposed 14 signs of facism in America.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by jones

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Again, this is not seen in America. Nobel prize winner of economics, his message has not spread to mass media.

Has it ever?

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by jones
[B 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - the enemies attacked us on 9/11, not the other way around. Or did you forget that? .3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

[/B]

A perceived threat? Are you suggesting there is no threat to the U.S. from terrorist?
It is that mentality that enable terrorists to attack America in the first place. Or are you one that believes the WTC attack was a planned event on the behave of the Bush Administration.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by jones

7. Obsession with National Security - Again, we have responded to an unprovoked attack on our nation, much unlike Nazi Germany, Chile, Italy, etc. Un provoked? think Isreal, they have nukes, and are considered to be an american power by islam. NOTE Isreal's daily attacks on palistan. And YES, our administration is blowing NATIONAL SECURITY ALL OVER THE AGENDA

Oh yeah the land of "palistan" that must be where the misfit cousins of the oomba loombas roam.

 

[jones]

Originally posted by MtnBiker
A perceived threat? Are you suggesting there is no threat to the U.S. from terrorist?
It is that mentality that enable terrorists to attack America in the first place. Or are you one that believes the WTC attack was a planned event on the behave of the Bush Administration.

Just read this and you may understand where im coming from In text

I would laugh at you for your ignorence but its JUST TOO SAD..is this propaganda again?

Try to find a speech by Bush, VP, or Rummy. That is factfull, and has no FALSE impressions

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by jones

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - This would more aptly describe the Taliban, not the US. There is a huge christian movement following bush, thier values are clearly explained in PNAC

You are kidding right? Christian values clearly explained in PNAC. I can think of another place where Christian values are explained, the Bible.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by jones
Just read this and you may understand where im coming from In text

I would laugh at you for your ignorence but its JUST TOO SAD..is this propaganda again?

Try to find a speech by Bush, VP, or Rummy. That is factfull, and has no FALSE impressions

Sorry jones, if you want to try to persuade or convince me of something, directing me to moveon.org isn't going to do. You started this thread, you stuck your neck out with an opinion. You let us know why there should not be a precived terrorist threat to the U.S.

 

[Dan]

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Again, this is not seen in America.

Speaking from the standpoint of one who has at least made artistic attempts, I gotta say that Disdain for the arts is pretty much a fact of life outside of maybe NYC and some places in California. Way it's always been, name the last time, outside of the Renaissance, that artists (real artists, people expressing their emotions through a visual or sonic medium) were held as great people in society. In the end, it's probably better that way, though, all art comes from a feeling of inequality, so if artists were treated as good as or better than those around them, art would fail, in my opinion.

 

[jones]

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/968712.asp


Those are harsh words from a respected man, unlike bush, and I bet hes got the goods to it up.

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by jones
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/968712.asp


Those are harsh words from a respected man, unlike bush, and I bet hes got the goods to it up.

Speaking of words... do you ever post any of your own?

And how much respect can you have for a man who drives drunk and drowns his mistress? Ted Kennedy is entitled to his opinions just like anyone else, but honestly, his sound bytes these days are filled with as much hate for the Bush administration as the Ten Stooges have.

Next.

 

[jones]

Do you EVER produce anything of substance in YOUR post? short answer: NO

 

[jones]

Originally posted by jones
Just read this and you may understand where im coming from In text

I would laugh at you for your ignorence but its JUST TOO SAD..is this propaganda again?

Try to find a speech by Bush, VP, or Rummy. That is factfull, and has no FALSE impressions

And I ask again.

 

[Bry]

jones,

I wonder if we can bring any respectability to this thread. The first problem I see is naming it FASCIST AMERICA! Great job BUSH VOTERS! I mean, it's a little sensationalist. Fascist America, as far as it goes, is fine and well. I agree with most of your fourteen step link, though the case for fixing the label "fascist" to it needs to be a little more plain. Perhaps we'll come back to that later. The main problem I have is with the Great job BUSH VOTERS! As if a vote for Al Gore or any other Democrat would suddenly change the very character of the American system. The amount a country who votes for a new president once every four years can swing on the political scale between say, Anarcho-communist Artistic Oligarchy (which seems to be what the fourteen points is advocating) and Fascism is, well, not much. The idea that the US was transformed overnight from some hypothetical Clinton paradise to Nazi Berlin 1941 is absurd.

Man of 1951 was making some good points about the debacles of the Clinton administration (I think it was on the preemptive strike thread) as part of the overall picture of a brutal, invasive, and militaritic American foreign policy than spans quite possibly a hundred years, at least since the Spanish-American war. (gop_jeff, I'm sure could give us an accurate date on that.) Hell, it should probably include the annexing of Texas and Manifest Destiny and the treatment of the native Americans, as we certainly treated them like foreigners in their own land. And that is a foreign policy that didn't take time-outs for the years that the Democrats were in office...

I think a good place to start is with that wonderful quote from Lincoln:

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."

It's probably fair to say that Lincoln was able to "foresee" this unmistakable trend because it was already happening. Certainly the steel and Railroad empires were already getting started with Lincoln. What concerns me is precisely this influence that Big Business has over politics in the USA. The problem, as I see it, is this: there was nothing in the Constitution that prescribed a two-party system, or any “party” for that matter. The concept of a career politician is, if anything, anathema to the philosophical underpinnings of the Constitution. Nevertheless, the system evolved very quickly in that direction, creating a variety of problems which I see as crucial to what I have come to think of as the American sickness. I think those problems can be distilled into two main considerations.

1. With only two parties, and a relative lack of control of campaign contributions, it is all too easy for an industry giant to place BOTH parties in a state of indebtedness. (not to mention the NGOs)
2. With all (or nearly all) politicians being carreer politicians, by the time one actually arrives to the office of president, one must assume that his list of debts is very long indeed.

And for all the blowhard Democratic rhetoric which is being espoused here, the man who’s name is most consistently associated with campaign finance reform is a Republican.

 

[Bry]

Yo, check it out!

Here's some interesting research about the misinformed (if not illiterate) American public!

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/6918170.htm

So is it the unbiased information people get from FOX, or is it the quality of mind possessed by the average FOX viewer?

enjoy!

 

[eric]

"Yo, check it out!"

Very educated. Tell me what school taught the proper use of the word "YO".

 

[Bry]

Originally posted by eric
"Yo, check it out!"

Very educated. Tell me what school taught the proper use of the word "YO".

LOL. I was beginning to think the Con monster took weekends off. Glad to see someone's here to represent. True to form, you piped up in defence of the queen's english and ignored the substantive information.

Way to go Eric. I'm impressed by your education too.

 

[eric]

Bry, when you come to this board with a self-righteous, know it all attitude, determined to teach us misguided little Bush lovers how to think, what do you expect. Respect is earned and this is not the way to earn it. If you wish to debate issues that is fine but you are certainly not in any position to lecture me or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Bry]

Bry, when you come to this board with a self-righteous, know it all attitude, determined to teach us misguided little Bush lovers how to think, what do you expect. Respect is earned and this is not the way to earn it. If you wish to debate issues that is fine but you are certainly not in any position to lecture me or anyone else for that matter.

Apparently, you define an alternative view point as a "self-righteous, know it all attitude". Take a look at a few of your own posts and you will see the meaning of "self-righteous". Yours is a similar refrain on these boards. As soon as somone posts something you don't agree with, you attack with insults (of course I'm not referring to all of the conservative posters on this board...). You will notice that it was you that responded with trying to "lecture" me, about my use of English no less. Now I ask you: what have you done to earn my respect? Or perhaps respect for you is a one way street? Perhaps respect is something held by the five or six people who spend time here which they can extend as they choose? As in, something you have but I don't? Funny, but I always thought respect characterized a relationship between two individuals, and you have not earned mine.

 

[eric]

Yes bry respect is a two way street, but when I come to your home I show the first sign of respect. You have come here not the other way around. I have no problem with alternative views, what I do have a problem with are statements like "I wonder if we can bring any respectability to this thread". It is confrontational and demeaning statements like this that tick people off. If you want to debate issues in a respectful way then we will have no problem getting along. I respect everyone's point of view, but when people start with the “I am smarter or more educated crap”, I put them in their place. I could easily look down on many people because of my position, but I do not, I treat people with dignity and respect. Now if you would like to start clean and debate the issues I am game.