False Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.

[JoeyVimsanteThePoet]

Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality. I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors. While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians. I am
There is a serious problem of the right creating straw man arguments where they suggest the left are all about control and the right are about freedom. When in reality the left do not define itself by control. And the right have created many dictators.
FALSE Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.
I am centre left. I support the best of socialism, capitalism, peace, equality, freedom, and the working class, poor and middle class. I support education and luxury for all.
I think that it is wrong to define politics as freedom versus authoritarians. Because there is a massive difference between restrictions on freedom from a left wing motivation and a right wing motivation. For instance banning homosexuality, banning the right to protest, banning the right to criticise government, and banning the right to organise trade unions is totally different to the left wing who want to tax and regulate the economy or ban hate speech. They are totally different motivations and policies. To define all government power and action as the same is wrong. Government regulation on the economy is not the same as government regulations on private life actions.

I know one right winger who tried to convince a gay person to vote Republican on the basis that the right supported personal freedom on taxes and regulations. His argument was that supporting personal freedom on taxes meant you supported freedom on sexuality. But that is nonsense. The right were at that time less keen on sexual freedom. So defining politics as freedom versus authoritarianism means you vote for a party that supported economic freedom and therefore no benefits, and no redistribution towards the poor. While at the same time supporting extreme authoritarianism on private lives. Yet this is complicated as the left often believe in introducing hate speech laws that some see as a restriction on freedom, but from a left v right perspective would be seen as a way of helping the poor and oppressed.
Looking at politics from a left wing perspective means trying to tax and regulate to bring in economic redistribution, stop discrimination, stop hate speech. While at the same time allowing freedom in private life.
While the right wing intellectual thinkers want to define politics on the basis that politics is about freedom v authoritarianism. Even if the right are supporting restrictions on protest, sexuality, voting rights, trade unions, worker’s rights.
Some on the right want to define the difference between left and right as being about the left being authoritarian and the right being about freedom. So that good left wing things government can do like bringing in worker’s rights, protection of democratic rights, banning hate speech, taxing and regulating the economy to help the poor and the environment. So that that is conflated as being on the same as bad government authoritarian measures like supressing democracy, banning trade unions, banning freedom of speech, banning the right to criticise the government, banning personal freedoms in private life, banning freedom of movement.
I think there is a place for both left and right wing perspectives in a free society. But I see myself as centre left, and a supporter of democracy and peace.
I see politics as right v left.
I see the left as caring for the poor, working class, the ordinary, the oppressed, and disabled. While the right care about the rich and powerful, elites.
Some intellectuals on the right want to define the straw man argument, to define it as left supporting authoritarianism versus right supporting freedom.
I find this as dishonest as often it means supporting a party that support extreme capitalism with extreme authoritarianism.
But I also accept there have been many authoritarian left wing and authoritarian right wing governments.
Some on the far right see the working class, as criminals and parasites. I am centre left,
I support the centre left, human rights, the working class, the middle class, education, peace, freedom, and the best of socialiFalse sm and capitalism. Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.

Merci. Thanks.

 

[The Duke]

TL/DR!

PS: I don't speak French, much.

Obviously you're some kind of British Empire connected individual.

 

[pknopp]

What the Democrats say they support and what they actually do are often times very different things.

We need to quit judging politicians on what they say they will do but rather on what they actually do.

 

[Oddball]

tl;dr

 

[JoeyVimsanteThePoet]

It is not a stupid opinion by me. Be nice.

 

[The Duke]

It is not a stupid opinion by me. Be nice.

Threads started in this section have to contain a link and commentary on the link to set the discussion about it.

Yeah, so pretty much the OP is your unsupported opinion whether it's stupid or not.

 

[JoeyVimsanteThePoet]

Why are you so angry? What is up with you?

 

[The Duke]

Why are you so angry? What is up with you?

Just trying to explain how it is here to you.

 

[kaz]

Why are you so angry? What is up with you?

Note by your avatar where it says rookie and your post where you didn't follow the rules. He politely explained it to you, rookie. He was being nice. Grow up

 

[jwoodie]

Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality. I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors. While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians. I am
There is a serious problem of the right creating straw man arguments where they suggest the left are all about control and the right are about freedom. When in reality the left do not define itself by control. And the right have created many dictators.
FALSE Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.
I am centre left. I support the best of socialism, capitalism, peace, equality, freedom, and the working class, poor and middle class. I support education and luxury for all.
I think that it is wrong to define politics as freedom versus authoritarians. Because there is a massive difference between restrictions on freedom from a left wing motivation and a right wing motivation. For instance banning homosexuality, banning the right to protest, banning the right to criticise government, and banning the right to organise trade unions is totally different to the left wing who want to tax and regulate the economy or ban hate speech. They are totally different motivations and policies. To define all government power and action as the same is wrong. Government regulation on the economy is not the same as government regulations on private life actions.

I know one right winger who tried to convince a gay person to vote Republican on the basis that the right supported personal freedom on taxes and regulations. His argument was that supporting personal freedom on taxes meant you supported freedom on sexuality. But that is nonsense. The right were at that time less keen on sexual freedom. So defining politics as freedom versus authoritarianism means you vote for a party that supported economic freedom and therefore no benefits, and no redistribution towards the poor. While at the same time supporting extreme authoritarianism on private lives. Yet this is complicated as the left often believe in introducing hate speech laws that some see as a restriction on freedom, but from a left v right perspective would be seen as a way of helping the poor and oppressed.
Looking at politics from a left wing perspective means trying to tax and regulate to bring in economic redistribution, stop discrimination, stop hate speech. While at the same time allowing freedom in private life.
While the right wing intellectual thinkers want to define politics on the basis that politics is about freedom v authoritarianism. Even if the right are supporting restrictions on protest, sexuality, voting rights, trade unions, worker’s rights.
Some on the right want to define the difference between left and right as being about the left being authoritarian and the right being about freedom. So that good left wing things government can do like bringing in worker’s rights, protection of democratic rights, banning hate speech, taxing and regulating the economy to help the poor and the environment. So that that is conflated as being on the same as bad government authoritarian measures like supressing democracy, banning trade unions, banning freedom of speech, banning the right to criticise the government, banning personal freedoms in private life, banning freedom of movement.
I think there is a place for both left and right wing perspectives in a free society. But I see myself as centre left, and a supporter of democracy and peace.
I see politics as right v left.
I see the left as caring for the poor, working class, the ordinary, the oppressed, and disabled. While the right care about the rich and powerful, elites.
Some intellectuals on the right want to define the straw man argument, to define it as left supporting authoritarianism versus right supporting freedom.
I find this as dishonest as often it means supporting a party that support extreme capitalism with extreme authoritarianism.
But I also accept there have been many authoritarian left wing and authoritarian right wing governments.
Some on the far right see the working class, as criminals and parasites. I am centre left,
I support the centre left, human rights, the working class, the middle class, education, peace, freedom, and the best of socialiFalse sm and capitalism. Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.

Merci. Thanks.

Your post is a false dichotomy.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality. I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors. While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians. I am
There is a serious problem of the right creating straw man arguments where they suggest the left are all about control and the right are about freedom. When in reality the left do not define itself by control. And the right have created many dictators.
FALSE Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.
I am centre left. I support the best of socialism, capitalism, peace, equality, freedom, and the working class, poor and middle class. I support education and luxury for all.
I think that it is wrong to define politics as freedom versus authoritarians. Because there is a massive difference between restrictions on freedom from a left wing motivation and a right wing motivation. For instance banning homosexuality, banning the right to protest, banning the right to criticise government, and banning the right to organise trade unions is totally different to the left wing who want to tax and regulate the economy or ban hate speech. They are totally different motivations and policies. To define all government power and action as the same is wrong. Government regulation on the economy is not the same as government regulations on private life actions.

I know one right winger who tried to convince a gay person to vote Republican on the basis that the right supported personal freedom on taxes and regulations. His argument was that supporting personal freedom on taxes meant you supported freedom on sexuality. But that is nonsense. The right were at that time less keen on sexual freedom. So defining politics as freedom versus authoritarianism means you vote for a party that supported economic freedom and therefore no benefits, and no redistribution towards the poor. While at the same time supporting extreme authoritarianism on private lives. Yet this is complicated as the left often believe in introducing hate speech laws that some see as a restriction on freedom, but from a left v right perspective would be seen as a way of helping the poor and oppressed.
Looking at politics from a left wing perspective means trying to tax and regulate to bring in economic redistribution, stop discrimination, stop hate speech. While at the same time allowing freedom in private life.
While the right wing intellectual thinkers want to define politics on the basis that politics is about freedom v authoritarianism. Even if the right are supporting restrictions on protest, sexuality, voting rights, trade unions, worker’s rights.
Some on the right want to define the difference between left and right as being about the left being authoritarian and the right being about freedom. So that good left wing things government can do like bringing in worker’s rights, protection of democratic rights, banning hate speech, taxing and regulating the economy to help the poor and the environment. So that that is conflated as being on the same as bad government authoritarian measures like supressing democracy, banning trade unions, banning freedom of speech, banning the right to criticise the government, banning personal freedoms in private life, banning freedom of movement.
I think there is a place for both left and right wing perspectives in a free society. But I see myself as centre left, and a supporter of democracy and peace.
I see politics as right v left.
I see the left as caring for the poor, working class, the ordinary, the oppressed, and disabled. While the right care about the rich and powerful, elites.
Some intellectuals on the right want to define the straw man argument, to define it as left supporting authoritarianism versus right supporting freedom.
I find this as dishonest as often it means supporting a party that support extreme capitalism with extreme authoritarianism.
But I also accept there have been many authoritarian left wing and authoritarian right wing governments.
Some on the far right see the working class, as criminals and parasites. I am centre left,
I support the centre left, human rights, the working class, the middle class, education, peace, freedom, and the best of socialiFalse sm and capitalism. Dichotomy: Freedom v Equality.
I think that politics is defined by the left seeing politics as the working class, poor, and the exploited versus the rich and oppressors.
While the modern right want to define politics as freedom v authoritarians.

Merci. Thanks.

Equality is a Utopian word, it's impossible to achieve, but you can strive for fairness. All you're seeing is, the more Left you are the more equality you want, and the more Right you are the more fairness you want. So the Left want to penalize the achievers to pay for the underachievers, and the Right wants a fair criteria set playing field for everyone to reap what they sow.

I'll explain that with an analogy. Equality in Boxing means everyone fights one another. Fairness in Boxing creates weight divisions. You can see how men pretending to be women playing in women's sport fits in with Equality and Fairness, which I don't think I need to explain the obvious.