"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

[UsernameKyle]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No one should want to avoid judgement bc although it is a negative connotation, this is where rewards and crowns will be awarded to the pure deeds of our lives. Everything else is consumed and forgiven.

 

[ding]

The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I have complete trust that everything works for good even when I don't always see how it does. So I have peace through the storm. In this regard, I am saved.

 

[bottlecap]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

I have to admit, I've never heard that saying. I'd have to disagree with it also. After all, what is Faith unless someone follows it's tenets?

It's akin to someone "identifying as something" which they aren't. Sure you can have faith that you are 7 feet tall, but you aren't going to be playing in the NBA any time soon when in reality you're 5'2.

JESUS always recommended moral behavior. For non-believers and Christians alike.

 

[bottlecap]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

 

[BreezeWood]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

 

[bottlecap]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[BreezeWood]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.
really -

not sure those people got the message ... whatever happened to them, who the religious itinerant was given to.

* they wrote a book in the 4th century and included your forged quote.

 

[ding]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Don't hold your breath. He's not logical.

 

[bottlecap]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.
really -

View attachment 372058

not sure those people got the message ... whatever happened to them, who the religious itinerant was given to.

* they wrote a book in the 4th century and included your forged quote.

Nice try...... but the promise of a Savior goes back to the Very Beginning of the OLD Testament.

Isaiah, a prophet who spoke about 700 years before the Birth of Christ, made it clear.

Chapter 53:


4 Surely He has borne our [g]griefs
And carried our [h]sorrows;
Yet we [i]esteemed Him stricken,
[j]Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded[k] for our transgressions,
He was [l]bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes[m] we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from [o]prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
...
11 [r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the [s]spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

 

[BreezeWood]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.
really -

View attachment 372058

not sure those people got the message ... whatever happened to them, who the religious itinerant was given to.

* they wrote a book in the 4th century and included your forged quote.

Nice try...... but the promise of a Savior goes back to the Very Beginning of the OLD Testament.

Isaiah, a prophet who spoke about 700 years before the Birth of Christ, made it clear.

Chapter 53:


4 Surely He has borne our [g]griefs
And carried our [h]sorrows;
Yet we [i]esteemed Him stricken,
[j]Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded[k] for our transgressions,
He was [l]bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes[m] we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from [o]prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
...
11 [r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the [s]spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

.

Nice try...... but the promise of a Savior goes back to the Very Beginning of the OLD Testament.

.
wrong book, your quote was written for the religion of the roman empire.

you did not answer the question - did you bring justice for the persecution of an innocent person ...

 

[buttercup]

Jesus' parables make it clear that more than faith is required for salvation.

Also, Epistle of James.

Also, Paul's teaching about the importance of love.

No, you are missing the entire point of the Gospel. If we could merit salvation by our good "works" then Jesus' death was pointless and there would be no need to put our faith in Him.

Any works-based religion or denomination makes Jesus secondary, or not necessary at all, in terms of salvation. That is why all false religions are works-based.

God's standard is perfection. NO ONE can "earn" salvation, because we ALL fall short. To think that we can earn salvation by our works is incredibly prideful and shows a big misunderstanding of the Gospel.

Good works do go hand in hand with salvation, because when you are born again, you become a new creation, and you will inevitably do good works, as an expression of one's saving faith, as Andy put it.

If someone does not have anything to show for their "faith," then that person is either very spiritually immature, or never got truly saved in the first place.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus' parables make it clear that more than faith is required for salvation.

Also, Epistle of James.

Also, Paul's teaching about the importance of love.

No, you are missing the entire point of the Gospel. If we could merit salvation by our good "works" then Jesus' death was pointless and there would be no need to put our faith in Him.

Any works-based religion or denomination makes Jesus secondary, or not necessary at all, in terms of salvation. That is why all false religions are works-based.

God's standard is perfection. NO ONE can "earn" salvation, because we ALL fall short. To think that we can earn salvation by our works is incredibly prideful and shows a big misunderstanding of the Gospel.

Good works do go hand in hand with salvation, because when you are born again, you become a new creation, and you will inevitably do good works, as an expression of one's saving faith, as Andy put it.

If someone does not have anything to show for their "faith," then that person is either very spiritually immature, or never got truly saved in the first place.

.

No, you are missing the entire point of the Gospel. If we could merit salvation by our good "works" then Jesus' death was pointless and there would be no need to put our faith in Him.

.
bingo -

pointless faith that they claimed to be a messiah rather than a messenger. a messenger of the religion of antiquity.

by their merits and example they may become sinless, the same what need would there be for a messiah when the religion was to accomplish the feat for admission to the Everlasting themselves all along. from the beginning. the journey they chose to set for their own destiny.

 

[bottlecap]

Both ideas get you out of facing judgment for your sins.

You got it

No, being an atheist does not get one out of judgement.

Of course, many atheists exhibit more moral behavior then many Christians and in that case it bodes well in the day of judgement for atheists.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.

Christians, thanks to JESUS, pass through judgement because he paid for their sins on the Cross.

.
dream on snowflake, the ones you commit are your own.


"Faith alone saves" is almost as bad as "There is no God".

no almost about it ...

Hopefully you will see the Light someday. I do admit, however, that the logical mind cannot comprehend the Goodness of God.

A well known verse, but it says it all

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.
really -

View attachment 372058

not sure those people got the message ... whatever happened to them, who the religious itinerant was given to.

* they wrote a book in the 4th century and included your forged quote.

Nice try...... but the promise of a Savior goes back to the Very Beginning of the OLD Testament.

Isaiah, a prophet who spoke about 700 years before the Birth of Christ, made it clear.

Chapter 53:


4 Surely He has borne our [g]griefs
And carried our [h]sorrows;
Yet we [i]esteemed Him stricken,
[j]Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded[k] for our transgressions,
He was [l]bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes[m] we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from [o]prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
...
11 [r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the [s]spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

.

Nice try...... but the promise of a Savior goes back to the Very Beginning of the OLD Testament.

.
wrong book, your quote was written for the religion of the roman empire.

you did not answer the question - did you bring justice for the persecution of an innocent person ...

The Roman Empire persecuted Christians from the Crucifixion of JESUS until the conversion of the Roman Empire Constantine around 312 AD. The Biblical Stories hardly embellished the Romans or their government so to say they wrote the New Testament is quite a stretch. More likely, they burned earlier versions of the scriptures by the hundreds.

I'm not sure what you mean by "... justice for the persecution of an innocent person ..." JESUS went willing to the Cross as the Lamb of God and of course was "innocent" But you and I are not innocent by God's Standards
and Jesus took our punishment upon Himself!

 

[UsernameKyle]

Great stuff here guys. I really believe that no one finds redemption except through Our Lord Jesus Christ. And what about faith saves is wrong? Faith in Jesus is the only way. But consider this.

Judgement is not reserved to a Child of God, but rather every man, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” but here’s the thing.

Brother James writes “Faith by itself, if not accompanied with action, is dead.” So what does that mean? Can your faith die out to the point that you are not saved? I suggest not, but those without faith are not saved. Here’s why.

In 1 Cor. 13:3 Paul explains deeds vs charity or rather love. “If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.” So indeed, we can not rest on our own deeds. We do however find rest in a single act of love in history. One mans effort to pull the world out of darkness, and He is the only one that can do it.

Finally, at the judgement seat, we are told in Matthew 25:33-46 that there will be a distinction made of those who were judged. He separates the sheep and the goats and the cursed are punished. The only sin that can curse a person now is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, known as the unpardonable sin. Jesus took the curse of Adam for every man, so believe on Him and allow Him to work in your heart. Dine with Him and drink of his goodness. Let not your heart be troubled for he is with us until the end of the age.

Edit 1- I said until the end of the age but I meant to the end of the age and obviously then into eternity.

 

[bottlecap]

Jesus' parables make it clear that more than faith is required for salvation.

Also, Epistle of James.

Also, Paul's teaching about the importance of love.

No, you are missing the entire point of the Gospel. If we could merit salvation by our good "works" then Jesus' death was pointless and there would be no need to put our faith in Him.

Any works-based religion or denomination makes Jesus secondary, or not necessary at all, in terms of salvation. That is why all false religions are works-based.

God's standard is perfection. NO ONE can "earn" salvation, because we ALL fall short. To think that we can earn salvation by our works is incredibly prideful and shows a big misunderstanding of the Gospel.

Good works do go hand in hand with salvation, because when you are born again, you become a new creation, and you will inevitably do good works, as an expression of one's saving faith, as Andy put it.

If someone does not have anything to show for their "faith," then that person is either very spiritually immature, or never got truly saved in the first place.

.

No, you are missing the entire point of the Gospel. If we could merit salvation by our good "works" then Jesus' death was pointless and there would be no need to put our faith in Him.

.
bingo -

pointless faith that they claimed to be a messiah rather than a messenger. a messenger of the religion of antiquity.

by their merits and example they may become sinless, the same what need would there be for a messiah when the religion was to accomplish the feat for admission to the Everlasting themselves all along. from the beginning. the journey they chose to set for their own destiny.

All the prophets up to, and including John the Baptist, were messengers; Jesus was, and now is, the Messiah.

You wrote "by their merits and example they may become sinless"........Impossible, we all need JESUS.

 

[UsernameKyle]

It’s kind of funny. I suggest to you that if more people thought about the Kingdom more than heaven, and they knew what the Kingdom truly was, they would vote everyone out of office and call on Jesus to return today. It’s really sad, but still kind of funny considering the foolishness we see today in the world, and the pain we all feel.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Works are simply a manifestation of your faith

There are many who do good works who aren't Christians.

So faith. Why are you debating yourself? James got the balance right.

 

[UsernameKyle]

Works are simply a manifestation of your faith

There are many who do good works who aren't Christians.

So faith. Why are you debating yourself? James got the balance right.

Faith with love.

 

[buttercup]

I've shared this before on previous threads on this topic… But I'll go ahead and share it again. Here's a video I made 6 years ago on this topic.

 

[bottlecap]

I've shared this before on previous threads on this topic… But I'll go ahead and share it again. Here's a video I made 6 years ago on this topic.

Excellent, thanks for sharing