CDZ FACTS about the Obama presidency

[LoneLaugher]

And THAT is how THAT, is done... .

I hope that you've enjoyed watching it GET down as much as I've enjoyed GETTING IT DONE.

In a thread about the economy....you discuss Ebola, sexual preference and climate change......using ZERO supporting evidence.

Yeah.....you got it done alright! You rock.

 

[Grandma]

Somehow the list above omits the points due for foisting off the biggest and greatest number of lies on not only America but on the entire world. My fave:

The only way you're going to "keep your doctor" is when Obama brings back slavery. Then, if you're a rich Democrat Lino Liberal you can keep as many doctors as your allowance allows.

No, not the words of the professed president; just the grim reality.

Actually most patients have been able to keep their doctor. A few MDs bailed on the program to work in private practice with wealthy clients.

Find an honest talking point, Henry.

 

[Zander]

The hagiography of Obama was written in 2009, the day that he was elected.......

 

[Grandma]

Well let's start with the first claim... 'Economic Expansion has been realized in the US since obama took power.'

Such is false. First the Federal Reserve has spent TRILLIONS of dollars per year since obama took power JUST in the propping up of the Financial Markets. obama has spent nearly 7 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEFICIT since he took office... the gross domestic product of the US economy has been stagnate, averaging just over 1%... and the workforce has RECEDED IN STRENGTH and VOLUME as a DIRECT RESULT of obama econoic policy which subsidizes, thus encourages unemployment and UNDER EMPLOYMENT... AS WELL AS HIS MASSIVE INCREASES IN TAXES AND BUREAUCRATIC REGULATORY FEES AND PROCESSES WHICH THOSE MARKETS MUST ENDURE, EVEN AS DEMAND FOR SERVICES AND PRODUCT WAIN DUE TO THE ABSENCE OF SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO SECURE SUCH. All of which points to Economic Recession... not expansion. "Words" mean things. Its best to understand what those meanings are... as that helps us better understand one another. Such is a critical element of what is OKA: Civilization.

It just gets worse from there... .

Feel better?

The deficit is being paid down.

Much of the recovery money was in loans that were paid back - like General Motors.

It's not Obama's policy that encourages taxpayers to cover corporate welfare - it's the partisan republicans that refuse to allow American citizens to work a 40-hour week at a living wage.

Taxes are lower, read the article.

 

[Grandma]

So why are the Democrats brutally losing Tuesday's elections?

Off-topic, but generally the "opposite" team usually wins in midterms.

 

[georgephillip]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

 

[Grandma]

Now folks... all ya really need to know about the people presently running the government is that these are the SAME people who are DEMANDING that you believe that: 'EBOLA is no cause for concern'.

There are 3 countries where ebola is killing off the population.

How many Americans have died from ebola here? 2.
2 out of 370,000,000.

They're the same one's telling you that sexual behavior which deviates as FAR FROM THE HUMAN PHYSIOLOGICAL STANDARD AS CAN BE DEVIATED AND STILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH HUMANS... 'is Perfectly Normal...' .

From what part of your ass did you pull that gem?

And that extended periods of global cooling... is PROOF CERTAIN that 'the GLOBE IS WARMING!'[/quote]

Because Global Cooling is what causes glaciers to melt and the Arctic Circle to become open sea.

Good to know.

Thanks for your off-topic rants, Keys.

 

[Grandma]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

Finally, someone's here to discuss reasonably.

Yes, income rose for most, but inflation/cost of living increases rose more.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well let's start with the first claim... 'Economic Expansion has been realized in the US since obama took power.'

Such is false. First the Federal Reserve has spent TRILLIONS of dollars per year since obama took power JUST in the propping up of the Financial Markets. obama has spent nearly 7 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEFICIT since he took office... the gross domestic product of the US economy has been stagnate, averaging just over 1%... and the workforce has RECEDED IN STRENGTH and VOLUME as a DIRECT RESULT of obama econoic policy which subsidizes, thus encourages unemployment and UNDER EMPLOYMENT... AS WELL AS HIS MASSIVE INCREASES IN TAXES AND BUREAUCRATIC REGULATORY FEES AND PROCESSES WHICH THOSE MARKETS MUST ENDURE, EVEN AS DEMAND FOR SERVICES AND PRODUCT WAIN DUE TO THE ABSENCE OF SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO SECURE SUCH. All of which points to Economic Recession... not expansion. "Words" mean things. Its best to understand what those meanings are... as that helps us better understand one another. Such is a critical element of what is OKA: Civilization.

It just gets worse from there... .

Feel better?

The deficit is being paid down.

Deficits are a function of SOLELY: SPENDING. One doesn't 'pay down' a deficit.

You're likely conflating deficit, with debt.

The Debt is decidedly and INDISPUTABLY: NOT BEING PAID DOWN. To the contrary... 'The DEBT' has increased nearly 7 trillion dollars since obama was swept into power by... socialists.

Much of the recovery money was in loans that were paid back - like General Motors.

LOL! Not even CLOSE!

It's not Obama's policy that encourages taxpayers to cover corporate welfare - it's the partisan republicans that refuse to allow American citizens to work a 40-hour week at a living wage.

Please... there is not a trace of reality in so much as a word of what you're saying. You just applauded 'corporate welfare', explaining that such served toward establishing a 'recovery' and in your next breath you lament that very same thing as the actions of your political opposition, despite 100% of the Democrats VOTING FOR JUST THAT!

Taxes are lower, read the article.

If that's what the article says, the author of that article is either mentally incompetent or a liar. Because taxes are higher... much... MUCH HIGHER! And for you not to recognize that, does not bode well for you... in any way.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Now folks... all ya really need to know about the people presently running the government is that these are the SAME people who are DEMANDING that you believe that: 'EBOLA is no cause for concern'.

There are 3 countries where ebola is killing off the population.

How many Americans have died from ebola here? 2.
2 out of 370,000,000.

ROFLMNAO!

And in the first few weeks of those countries; which you describe as countries 'where ebola is killing off their populations', recognizing the ebola virus had arrived, how many had died from ebola?

"Cause and Effect" is a simple principle... yet it appears to be beyond your intellectual means. Please tell me why given this fact, that you feel qualified to engage this discussion?

They're the same one's telling you that sexual behavior which deviates as FAR FROM THE HUMAN PHYSIOLOGICAL STANDARD AS CAN BE DEVIATED AND STILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH HUMANS... 'is Perfectly Normal...' .

From what part of your ass did you pull that gem?

My means to reason soundly. Human physiology, by design, establishes the standard common to human sexuality. Here are the highlights common to that standard: Genders: Male and Female; respectively designed with distinct but complimenting traits... serving as the natural means for procreation... as the means by which the species is perpetuated. The Males introduce their exterior genitals into the interior genitals of the female.

Homosexuality has zero in common with that standard. As such, homosexuality deviates as far from the human sexual physiological standard, as is possible, where all participants remain human.

That's not even a debatable point.

And that extended periods of global cooling... is PROOF CERTAIN that 'the GLOBE IS WARMING!'

Because Global Cooling is what causes glaciers to melt and the Arctic Circle to become open sea.

LOL! 1995 called and they asked that you return their 'scientific consensus'.

Ya see: "Myth of Arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now..."

Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Daily Mail Online

 

[HenryBHough]

Somehow the list above omits the points due for foisting off the biggest and greatest number of lies on not only America but on the entire world. My fave:

The only way you're going to "keep your doctor" is when Obama brings back slavery. Then, if you're a rich Democrat Lino Liberal you can keep as many doctors as your allowance allows.

No, not the words of the professed president; just the grim reality.

Actually most patients have been able to keep their doctor. A few MDs bailed on the program to work in private practice with wealthy clients.

Find an honest talking point, Henry.

"Most" is overstatement but you knew that.

Some lost their doctors because their doctors opted out entirely.
Some lost their doctors because their doctors retired earlier than planned to get out from under the shitstorm that is Obamacare.
MORE, vastly more, lost their doctors because their former doctors are not among those "in network" for the Obamacare insurers.

But, yeah, "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor..."

Keep on believing if that helps maintain a feeble grip on the old faith!

 

[georgephillip]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

Finally, someone's here to discuss reasonably.

Yes, income rose for most, but inflation/cost of living increases rose more.

Wall Street's recovery seems to be outpacing Main Street's at this point:
"U.S. businesses still have little incentive to boost wages given that over 11 million Americans are looking for work. Much of the nation's recent job growth has been in lower-paying industries. And the aging of America's population could mean less income growth going forward since the retired often earn less.

"'The bleeding has stopped, I suppose, but incomes have yet to increase,' said Richard Fry, an economist at Pew Research Center. 'Asset prices are rising, but when we look out at Main Street, at what households are getting, there isn't much growth.'"

I'm also doubly doubtful about good economic news immediately prior to a national election.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...27887323981304579081042445314788.html?mod=itp

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

"IF"... ROFLMNAO!

Sadly, 99% did not see their income rise by .4%, just as 1% did not see their incomes rise by >31%.

But the hyper-wealthy usually see their incomes rise faster in periods of economic collapse, because they play the markets as they would a poorly run casino... through THAT trait, we can readily deduce that THEY are people of low moral character... relativist who reject soundly reasoned morality which would otherwise eschew notions built upon profiting from the misery of others.

Now relativists... those who reject the objectivity which essential to the development, trust and adherence to the truths common to a soundly reasoned morality... rests as the foundation of Left-think.

Which means that YOU who comes today to lament relativism... are in point of fact, a relativist.

Now how do you feel that unenviable circumstance comes to pass?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

Finally, someone's here to discuss reasonably.

Yes, income rose for most, but inflation/cost of living increases rose more.

Wall Street's recovery seems to be outpacing Main Street's at this point:
"U.S. businesses still have little incentive to boost wages given that over 11 million Americans are looking for work. Much of the nation's recent job growth has been in lower-paying industries. And the aging of America's population could mean less income growth going forward since the retired often earn less.

"'The bleeding has stopped, I suppose, but incomes have yet to increase,' said Richard Fry, an economist at Pew Research Center. 'Asset prices are rising, but when we look out at Main Street, at what households are getting, there isn't much growth.'"

I'm also doubly doubtful about good economic news immediately prior to a national election.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323981304579081042445314788?mod=itp&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323981304579081042445314788.html?mod=itp

Well it's pretty darn hard to increase wages, in a market experiencing the thinnest margins witnessed in living memory. While all of the demands common to 'PERFORMANCE', remain... .

This while WallStreet is using TRILLIONS of Fed Dollars... which come at NO CONNECTION TO ANYTHING REMOTELY ASSOCIATED WITH "PERFORMANCE".

So that serves reason.

 

[georgephillip]

Well it's pretty darn hard to increase wages, in a market experiencing the thinnest margins witnessed in living memory. While all of the demands common to 'PERFORMANCE', rema

Maybe capitalism needs some good old fashioned competition?
""Imagine a country where the majority of the population reaps the majority of the benefits for their hard work, creative ingenuity, and collaborative efforts. Imagine a country where corporate losses aren't socialized, while gains are captured by an exclusive minority. Imagine a country run as a democracy, from the bottom up, not a plutocracy from the top down."
Democracy at Work A Cure for Capitalism Professor Richard D. Wolff

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So why are the Democrats brutally losing Tuesday's elections?

Off-topic, but generally the "opposite" team usually wins in midterms.

But if Obama has had such a successful presidency as the OP is claiming it shouldn't matter.

 

[georgephillip]

Recovery hype?
If 99% of Americans have seen an income rise of 0.4% between 2009-2012 and 1% have seen their income climb by 31.4% during the same three years, is Obama's recovery just another lie the rich tell?
Recovery hype American Capitalism s Weapon of Mass Distraction Professor Richard D. Wolff

"IF"... ROFLMNAO!

Sadly, 99% did not see their income rise by .4%, just as 1% did not see their incomes rise by >31%.

But the hyper-wealthy usually see their incomes rise faster in periods of economic collapse, because they play the markets as they would a poorly run casino... through THAT trait, we can readily deduce that THEY are people of low moral character... relativist who reject soundly reasoned morality which would otherwise eschew notions built upon profiting from the misery of others.

Now relativists... those who reject the objectivity which essential to the development, trust and adherence to the truths common to a soundly reasoned morality... rests as the foundation of Left-think.

Which means that YOU who comes today to lament relativism... are in point of fact, a relativist.

Now how do you feel that unenviable circumstance comes to pass?

I'm a little confused about your point here. Are you saying markets are morally neutral and competition within those markets exempts policy makers from the need to make any moral judgments?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So why are the Democrats brutally losing Tuesday's elections?

Are you seriously asking that question?

You don't think it is due to the unemployment rate being under 6% do you?

You don't think it is due to the Dow breaking records do you?

You don't think it is due to the deficit being lowered do you?

If you are seriously asking....I will seriously answer. Are you?

Of course I'm serious. If everything is so rosy as you guys are pretending then the public should want to stay the course, not throw your party out of power and replace them with people who won't go along with the president's agenda.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So why are the Democrats brutally losing Tuesday's elections?

Off-topic, but generally the "opposite" team usually wins in midterms.

But if Obama has had such a successful presidency as the OP is claiming it shouldn't matter.

Never ever underestimate the power of fox.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well it's pretty darn hard to increase wages, in a market experiencing the thinnest margins witnessed in living memory. While all of the demands common to 'PERFORMANCE', rema

Maybe capitalism needs some good old fashioned competition?
""Imagine a country where the majority of the population reaps the majority of the benefits for their hard work, creative ingenuity, and collaborative efforts. Imagine a country where corporate losses aren't socialized, while gains are captured by an exclusive minority. Imagine a country run as a democracy, from the bottom up, not a plutocracy from the top down."
Democracy at Work A Cure for Capitalism Professor Richard D. Wolff

Your reference just described capitalism, while clearly desperate to mis-associate capitalism with the corruption that is exclusively common to relativism, which is exclusive to Left-think, which exclusively uses Democracy as a means to acquire power, from which it has consistently used that power, to screw everyone. A group which includes 'everyone'; from those who unapologetically advocated for it, to those who abjectly opposed it.

IT is evil... and its purpose is destruction of viability, hope, love, kindness... .