Fact checking the Fox debate

[The T]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”
​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

HIS jobs plan? Does he actually have one? If he does, he should give Congress one that they feel they can pass....sounds to me like he's not working with them like he should. And, i've heard there are quite a few bills sitting in the Senate collecting dust. Are they still on vacation there, or are they still playing games?

There's still several House bills collecting dust..and yes they're playing partisan bullshit games.

 

[Trajan]

You're dismissed, fool.

I left out a single letter "n".

You neglected to read an entire ******* article before clinging to the headline like a Lemming.

If you are too much of a whackjob to recognize the Washington Post as a credible, first rate news source, then you are too much of a whackjob.

True statement.

like your fact check nonsense , its your OPINION, hello...get it now?

 

[The T]

dipshit?

Uncalled for. Synthaholic is exactly correct in his assertion.

did the house not pass a for instance a budget bill and send it to the senate? has he allowed it to go the floor? No.has he put it in committee? no. and?

Precisely. And now we have Obama demanding another ceiling raise that he knows will come with an ensuing fight, and will be used to paint Republicans/Conservatives as uncaring...

 

[edthecynic]

You need to do a little fact checking of your own.

Harry Reid | Jobs Bill Blocked | Mitch McConnell | The Daily Caller


"For all of President Obama’s insistence that Congress must “pass this bill now,” and Democrats’ assurances that they have the votes necessary to pass it, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was in no mood to vote on the president’s jobs-creation bill Tuesday afternoon.

Reid blocked a vote on Obama’s jobs bill after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell made a motion to add it as an amendment to a bill being heard on the floor. That bill was an effort to put pressure on China to allow its currency to appreciate.

McConnell said earlier that given Obama’s insistence on passing his jobs bill quickly, he wanted to put the Senate on the record.

“Twelve times the president has asked us over the last few weeks to vote on what he calls his jobs bill now,” McConnell said. “I don’t think the president is saying here he wants an extensive debate on it. I think he’s saying he wants a vote on it. And I want to disabuse him of the notion that we’re not willing to vote on it.”

An early vote on the $447 billion jobs bill would have likely ended in embarrassment for the White House. Republicans are sure to oppose it as a whole, and Senate Democrats want to take a closer look at the bill, possibly proposing alternate payment methods.

Reid called the motion a “charade” and “ridiculous on its face,” adding the Senate will have a full debate on the jobs bill later. Reid has indicated that the president’s jobs bill will be brought before the Senate sometime this month."

Note that "this month" was October 2011. Has Harry brought his party's president's jobs bill up for a vote yet?

Why yes, yes he did the next week!! And pathological liar McConnell, who said he would allow an up or down vote on the bill with much fanfare the week before, blocked the vote on the $447 billion jobs bill.

But you CON$ervative know-it-alls knew that already.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

Well of course the Republicans voted against it, it was a shitty piece of entitlement legislation. But the deciding vote to kill it came from Reid who did so in a prcedural move so he could bring pieces of the legislation up for vote again. Tell the class, has he brought them up for a vote to date? No. So, who is preventing a vote on Obama's bill? Democrat Reid. Surely Obama can get his party's Senate Majority Leader to play ball and vote on his jobs bill.

As I have shown so many times before, when CON$ are caught lying, they play dumb and just repeat the same lie over again.

Pathological liar McConnell, when he thought the bill would fail, put on a big show that he was going to allow a vote on the bill and said he wanted to vote on the bill without debate. But when Reid brought up the bill the Turtle and the GOP blocked the vote on the bill because they knew it would get the 50 votes needed to pass. The GOP blocked the vote by not voting to close the debate. That's Right, the GOP who said no debate on the bill was necessary, refused to end the debate so the bill could be voted on.
Get it???
The GOP blocked the vote on the bill, not Reid and not the Democrats.

 

[Trajan]

Why yes, yes he did the next week!! And pathological liar McConnell, who said he would allow an up or down vote on the bill with much fanfare the week before, blocked the vote on the $447 billion jobs bill.

But you CON$ervative know-it-alls knew that already.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

Well of course the Republicans voted against it, it was a shitty piece of entitlement legislation. But the deciding vote to kill it came from Reid who did so in a prcedural move so he could bring pieces of the legislation up for vote again. Tell the class, has he brought them up for a vote to date? No. So, who is preventing a vote on Obama's bill? Democrat Reid. Surely Obama can get his party's Senate Majority Leader to play ball and vote on his jobs bill.

As I have shown so many times before, when CON$ are caught lying, they play dumb and just repeat the same lie over again.

Pathological liar McConnell, when he thought the bill would fail, put on a big show that he was going to allow a vote on the bill and said he wanted to vote on the bill without debate. But when Reid brought up the bill the Turtle and the GOP blocked the vote on the bill because they knew it would get the 50 votes needed to pass. The GOP blocked the vote by not voting to close the debate. That's Right, the GOP who said no debate on the bill was necessary, refused to end the debate so the bill could be voted on.
Get it???
The GOP blocked the vote on the bill, not Reid and not the Democrats.

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

 

[Luddly Neddite]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

Not to mention that his previous jobs plans have resulted in more than 3 MILLION JOBS CREATED AND/OR SAVED.

How many jobs bills have the pubs introduced?

ZIP

 

[Synthaholic]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”
​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

HIS jobs plan? Does he actually have one? If he does, he should give Congress one that they feel they can pass....sounds to me like he's not working with them like he should. And, i've heard there are quite a few bills sitting in the Senate collecting dust. Are they still on vacation there, or are they still playing games?

There's still several House bills collecting dust..and yes they're playing partisan bullshit games.

Not part of Obama's Jobs bill, therefore not what we are arguing about.

Do try to keep up, Squirt.

 

[rdean]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

Not to mention that his previous jobs plans have resulted in more than 3 MILLION JOBS CREATED AND/OR SAVED.

How many jobs bills have the pubs introduced?

ZIP

Don't forget that more than 100 Republicans who voted AGAINST the stimulus took hundreds of millions of dollars and created thousands of jobs ---> AND THEN TOOK CREDIT FOR CREATING THOSE JOBS while saying the stimulus created no jobs. Those guys have more positions than Mitt.

 

[edthecynic]

Well of course the Republicans voted against it, it was a shitty piece of entitlement legislation. But the deciding vote to kill it came from Reid who did so in a prcedural move so he could bring pieces of the legislation up for vote again. Tell the class, has he brought them up for a vote to date? No. So, who is preventing a vote on Obama's bill? Democrat Reid. Surely Obama can get his party's Senate Majority Leader to play ball and vote on his jobs bill.

As I have shown so many times before, when CON$ are caught lying, they play dumb and just repeat the same lie over again.

Pathological liar McConnell, when he thought the bill would fail, put on a big show that he was going to allow a vote on the bill and said he wanted to vote on the bill without debate. But when Reid brought up the bill the Turtle and the GOP blocked the vote on the bill because they knew it would get the 50 votes needed to pass. The GOP blocked the vote by not voting to close the debate. That's Right, the GOP who said no debate on the bill was necessary, refused to end the debate so the bill could be voted on.
Get it???
The GOP blocked the vote on the bill, not Reid and not the Democrats.

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

 

[kwc57]

From "The Hill":
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill


By Alexander Bolton and Josiah Ryan - 10/20/11 09:28 PM ET


For the second time in two weeks, Senate Republicans voted in unison to block “jobs” legislation, which the Obama administration and Senate Democratic leaders have made central to their agenda.

Hey moron, did you just read the headline or did you actually read the article. You're really not very good at this are you? You missed some great quotes like:

"The majority of Democrats then blocked a second "jobs" measure offered by Republicans."

We were arguing whether Obama put forth a jobs bill, and whether Senate Republicans blocked a vote on it.

Pay attention!

You aren't entitled to your own personal reality.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/203728-fact-checking-the-fox-debate-3.html#post4679087

 

[kwc57]

As I have shown so many times before, when CON$ are caught lying, they play dumb and just repeat the same lie over again.

Pathological liar McConnell, when he thought the bill would fail, put on a big show that he was going to allow a vote on the bill and said he wanted to vote on the bill without debate. But when Reid brought up the bill the Turtle and the GOP blocked the vote on the bill because they knew it would get the 50 votes needed to pass. The GOP blocked the vote by not voting to close the debate. That's Right, the GOP who said no debate on the bill was necessary, refused to end the debate so the bill could be voted on.
Get it???
The GOP blocked the vote on the bill, not Reid and not the Democrats.

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

 

[edthecynic]

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

As is typical of CON$ervative pathological liars, they never quote anything accurately so they can play dumb as they lie. You were so dishonest you didn't even include the ellipsis to show that you cut the quote in mid sentence!

Here is the full quote with the part you dishonestly left out:"The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no" for technical reasons -- under Senate rules, casting his vote with the majority allows Reid to revive the bill at a later date if he wants."

That is the same technical rule Dole used to change his vote to the majority on the term limits vote that was part of the "Contract On America" so he could bring the bill up again.

But even independent of your premeditated lying, Reid did not cast any deciding vote as the vote to end debate and allow a vote on the bill fell NINE (9) votes short of the 60 votes necessary to bring the bill to a vote before Reid changed his vote. But as a CON$ervative know-it-all, you knew that already.

 

[Synthaholic]

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

*sigh*

Majority Leader Reid, D-Nev., changed his vote from yes to no in order to preserve the motion to proceed. A Senator has to be with the winning side in order to have the ability to bring the measure up again at any time without filing cloture.
​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Fact Checking the Fox News-WSJ debate in South Carolina - The Washington Post

Hell......

......consider The Source.

 

[Trajan]

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

As is typical of CON$ervative pathological liars, they never quote anything accurately so they can play dumb as they lie. You were so dishonest you didn't even include the ellipsis to show that you cut the quote in mid sentence!

Here is the full quote with the part you dishonestly left out:"The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no" for technical reasons -- under Senate rules, casting his vote with the majority allows Reid to revive the bill at a later date if he wants."

That is the same technical rule Dole used to change his vote to the majority on the term limits vote that was part of the "Contract On America" so he could bring the bill up again.

But even independent of your premeditated lying, Reid did not cast any deciding vote as the vote to end debate and allow a vote on the bill fell NINE (9) votes short of the 60 votes necessary to bring the bill to a vote before Reid changed his vote. But as a CON$ervative know-it-all, you knew that already.

he voted for it before he voted against it


so now we get to the wait a minute ...and buts...

....what garbage you swallow to make yourself right, I swear to god, really, you should be ashamed and remember this is just an internet forum check yor ego at the door....you are not edthecynic because you are a slobbering partisan, so there is no cynicism in you, you are EdtheFactBulimic

 

[Trajan]

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

*sigh*

Majority Leader Reid, D-Nev., changed his vote from yes to no in order to preserve the motion to proceed. A Senator has to be with the winning side in order to have the ability to bring the measure up again at any time without filing cloture.
​

You are another one, and we have been thru this what, 3 times in the last 2 weeks I think?

you have a very sloppy way of thinking and posting dude, you apparently shoot from the lip, you and the others of your ‘ilk’, yes, you have an ilk ala EdtheFactbulimic make a statement, then when asked to explain or defend it/them, attempt to 're-characterize' change what you have said, obfuscate and /or try and tis is the most favored one of the lot- craft an argument in mitigation, trying to abate what you said earlier, lessening the meaning of your own words by sliding in a strawman or false dilemma, basically and dishonestly massaging what you said blurring enough to appear as if that’s what you intended all along. NY Carb. is another member of your ilk in good standing.

I'll take a pass on your slobbering partisan bs. its kiddie shit.

 

[kwc57]

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

As is typical of CON$ervative pathological liars, they never quote anything accurately so they can play dumb as they lie. You were so dishonest you didn't even include the ellipsis to show that you cut the quote in mid sentence!

Here is the full quote with the part you dishonestly left out:"The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no" for technical reasons -- under Senate rules, casting his vote with the majority allows Reid to revive the bill at a later date if he wants."

That is the same technical rule Dole used to change his vote to the majority on the term limits vote that was part of the "Contract On America" so he could bring the bill up again.

But even independent of your premeditated lying, Reid did not cast any deciding vote as the vote to end debate and allow a vote on the bill fell NINE (9) votes short of the 60 votes necessary to bring the bill to a vote before Reid changed his vote. But as a CON$ervative know-it-all, you knew that already.

Hmmmm, that didn't seem to bother you when YOU cherry picked quotes from the article did it? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bottom line, Reid cast the tie breaking vote to kill the bill.........in a procedural move. Question, has he revived the bill to date? If not, then who is preventing Obama's bill from being voted on and passing? Not the Republicans, but the Democrat Speaker Reid. Why is he obstructing jobs bills?

You really suck at this.

 

[Oldstyle]

What I find most amusing is that so many of you Progressives think Obama WANTED this to go to a vote. The truth is...he didn't. The so called "jobs bill" was a weak imitation of the original Obama Stimulus that didn't work particulary well (let's face it, Kids...when you have to invent a new statistic "jobs saved" so the numbers don't look abysmal, then it didn't work!) and any Democrat that voted for it would have had to defend that vote come next Fall's election. The ONLY reason Obama floated this joke of a bill was to use it against the Republicans who he knew wouldn't vote for it. The worst thing that could happen to Barack is if by some miracle this bill DID pass because then the American people would be asking themselves why this guy wasted billions more in taxpayer money on a stimulus plan that had already proven to be deeply flawed.

 

[hortysir]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

Not to mention that his previous jobs plans have resulted in more than 3 MILLION JOBS CREATED AND/OR SAVED.

How many jobs bills have the pubs introduced?

ZIP

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action

The majority of Democrats then blocked a second "jobs" measure offered by Republicans.
The first measure, a piece of President Obama’s larger jobs package, failed in a 50-50 vote after two Democrats and Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) joined Senate Republicans in voting against moving to the measure.

Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times

Senate Republicans tried to make Democrats hold a quick vote on President Obama's jobs-stimulus bill Tuesday, but were blocked by Senate Majority Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is sponsoring Mr. Obama's bill but who said other matters take priority.

Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

“The House has passed nearly 30 jobs bills with bipartisan support, but Senate Democratic leaders have refused to act,” he said. “We are going to remain focused on the American people’s No. 1 issue: jobs. We hope the Democrats who run Washington will change course and join us.”

 

[The T]

“We’ve got a president in office three years, and he does not have a jobs plan yet.”
​

— Romney



This is a strange comment, given that President Obama has just spent several months demanding that Congress pass his jobs plan.

Not to mention that his previous jobs plans have resulted in more than 3 MILLION JOBS CREATED AND/OR SAVED.

How many jobs bills have the pubs introduced?

ZIP

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action



Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times

Senate Republicans tried to make Democrats hold a quick vote on President Obama's jobs-stimulus bill Tuesday, but were blocked by Senate Majority Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is sponsoring Mr. Obama's bill but who said other matters take priority.

Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

“The House has passed nearly 30 jobs bills with bipartisan support, but Senate Democratic leaders have refused to act,” he said. “We are going to remain focused on the American people’s No. 1 issue: jobs. We hope the Democrats who run Washington will change course and join us.”

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?