Facebook Poll Asks if Obama Should be Killed

[mdn2000]

mskafka, the book and movie I refered to I did not read nor see, I heard news reports and read articles about them, I dont have the time to dig up that information but I will, just dont want you to think I ignored that part of your post.

 

[mskafka]

Great, now free speech should be prosecuted as a crime, not just free speech, but political free speech. The liberals are hypocrites.

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Hanging anyone in effigy...calling for an assassination...making sinister statements about being armed, or unarmed...assassination polls...depictions of a president, or former president's assassination. Don't these constitute assault? You're putting another in fear for their life. For example: in my line of work; if I touch a patient without first gaining their consent for treatment, I can technically be charged with assault and battery. Now the odds of this happening are slim, but it was spelled out clearly in college....the importance of such communication prior to initiating treatment.

So this isn't a simple matter of freedom of speech. You can call Obama or Bush an idiot or insult them in any way, as often as you like. But because it is illegal to directly or indirectly threaten the president, or any civilian (which puts them in fear for their life) it is not a violation of the 1st amendment. And considering that 4 presidents have been assassinated in the US; the secret service is going to take any potential threat....joking or otherwise....seriously.

The movie you mention....I haven't heard about it, but yes....it is a bad idea.

Turning free speech into assault is against the 1st amendment.

When you make political free speech a crime you have violated the 1st amendment.

Assualt, the exercise of our 1st amendment right is not assault.

The 1st amendment was not needed to protect nice speech, its to protect political discourse, the speech some may find offensive. So now we have an literal assault on the
1st Amendment. What if this is nothing more than a political tactic of an Obama supporter. What if this gives the Obama administration the ability to shutdown all free speech that is critical of Obama. We already have Carter stating that this type of speech is coming from right wing racsists. So the Obama supporters are slowly and carefully impliementing a plan to emiminate the opposition. We attack ACORN, the supporters of Obama put a sign on a dead man, hang him, and make it look like its the far right. We attack ACORN so the Obama supporters put up a facebook page calling for Obama to die and blame it on conservative. These tactics are spelled about by Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals"

Obama is a student of Saul Alinsky, as is Ayers, as is ACORN

See if you can find the Zapruder film with sound. Watch this, and tell me if you think that this was simply political discourse.

You might want to read the definition of TRUE THREAT from
firstamendmentcenter.org

"True threat — A real threat to a person’s safety made by another person. The Supreme Court in Watts v. United States (1969) said threats to personal safety are not protected by the Constitution."

There are cases about this very subject on the site. It clearly explains what is and isn't protected by our constitution. I think it stands to reason that if you can be arrested for threatening your neighbor, you can be arrested for doing the same to the president.

 

[Ravi]

What's even less shocking is that the right wing loons are excusing this poll.

 

[mdn2000]

What's even less shocking is that the right wing loons are excusing this poll.

A poll is far from calling for the death of a president, its simply politcal speech protected by the 1st amendment.

So your not shocked that we see this as simply the Liberal/Alinsky political tactic that it is.

No different as in the Liberal/Alinsky students who put on KKK robes and went to a Bush speech and everytime Bush mentioned war the Liberal/Alinsky students dressed as KKK would shout, "we support bush, we support war".

Watch this Liberal/Alinsky tactic get used much more the closer we get to the election.

 

[mdn2000]

Turning free speech into assault is against the 1st amendment.

When you make political free speech a crime you have violated the 1st amendment.

Threatening the President is against the law.

This is a threat made by Liberal/Alinsky Obama supporters, a tactic used to demonize the opponent.

You think this in not related to ACORN losing funding? What do you think people who lose millions of dollars will do, nothing, ACORN used fraud to win the election for Obama, people who are frauds perpertrated this fraud.

 

[Emma]

Turning free speech into assault is against the 1st amendment.

When you make political free speech a crime you have violated the 1st amendment.

Threatening the President is against the law.

This is a threat made by Liberal/Alinsky Obama supporters, a tactic used to demonize the opponent.

You think this in not related to ACORN losing funding? What do you think people who lose millions of dollars will do, nothing, ACORN used fraud to win the election for Obama, people who are frauds perpertrated this fraud.

I read your post above, about how everything that happens is the fault of Obama supporters to make the opposition look bad.

Sorry. I don't have enough tin foil on hand to believe that crap.

 

[bodecea]

Turning free speech into assault is against the 1st amendment.

When you make political free speech a crime you have violated the 1st amendment.

Threatening the President is against the law.

This is a threat made by Liberal/Alinsky Obama supporters, a tactic used to demonize the opponent.

You think this in not related to ACORN losing funding? What do you think people who lose millions of dollars will do, nothing, ACORN used fraud to win the election for Obama, people who are frauds perpertrated this fraud.

 

[AllieBaba]

What's even less shocking is that the right wing loons are excusing this poll.

No, the right wing is defending freedom of speech.

What isn't surprising is the the lefty tards want to squelch it.

And conducting a poll asking a question is NOT a threat, idiots.

 

[xotoxi]

What's even less shocking is that the right wing loons are excusing this poll.

No, the right wing is defending freedom of speech.

What isn't surprising is the the lefty tards want to squelch it.

And conducting a poll asking a question is NOT a threat, idiots.

However conducting a poll in a privately owned forum (Facebook) most definitely is not protected under the first amendment.

If I made a poll asking if a fellow USMB poster should be killed, I would be in trouble. Gunny would remove the poll...it wouldn't be a violation of my first amendment rights.

 

[AllieBaba]

No, it's certainly the right of whomever owns Facebook to remove it as they choose.

But it's over the top to say it constitutes "assault" or imply someone should be prosecuted or arrested for posting it.

 

[xotoxi]

No, it's certainly the right of whomever owns Facebook to remove it as they choose.

But it's over the top to say it constitutes "assault" or imply someone should be prosecuted or arrested for posting it.

So are you of the opinion that an open discussion of the pros and cons of assassinating the President of the United States of America should just be ignored?

 

[Nevadamedic]

So which way is the poll going?

The last I read, it has been removed and is being investigated by the Secret Service. I have been unable to find the results.

Where was all the outrage when songs about praying for George Bush to die were being played all over?

 

[xotoxi]

So which way is the poll going?

The last I read, it has been removed and is being investigated by the Secret Service. I have been unable to find the results.

Where was all the outrage when songs about praying for George Bush to die were being played all over?

Which songs were those?

And are you telling me that you are NOT outraged about polls about Obama being killed, and thus you were NOT outraged about praying for Bush's death?

Or are you saying that you are outraged by BOTH?

 

[bodecea]

So which way is the poll going?

The last I read, it has been removed and is being investigated by the Secret Service. I have been unable to find the results.

Where was all the outrage when songs about praying for George Bush to die were being played all over?

Good lord! I've never heard of those. Where were they played and what idiot wrote/sang them?

 

[Navy1960]

No matter your opinion on the President of the United States, this is the President. Make no mistake, I have several policy disagreements with ths President, but to advocate or to suggest this sort of thing has nothing to do with being a citizen of this nation, and has everything to do with a complete dishonorable human being. If you have little respect for the man in the office at the very least, have enough respect for the office itself. I fail to understand, why anyone would advocate this sort of thing and then turn around and be a champion for someone else to hold the very same office. If you do not like this president then do something about it, go out and campaign and explain to the American people in an honorable way what is a better path rather than this dishonorable, and disrespecful and truley disgusting poll.

 

[Nevadamedic]

The last I read, it has been removed and is being investigated by the Secret Service. I have been unable to find the results.

Where was all the outrage when songs about praying for George Bush to die were being played all over?

Which songs were those?

And are you telling me that you are NOT outraged about polls about Obama being killed, and thus you were NOT outraged about praying for Bush's death?

Or are you saying that you are outraged by BOTH?

Insane Clown Posse – Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics

There,s a man we all know
Looks like his dad and has got lot,s of dough
He comes from Texas and he runs the show
He,s got more money then you,ll ever see
That,s why he wants the presidency
To stretch that all mighty dollar from sea to shining sea
He says that he,s not religious
He,s just puttin, his faith in the lord
Hey why take chances when your after your final reward?
Well if prayin, has made him successful
Then hell, I,ll give it a try

So I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die

I don,t really want him to die man, it,s a joke

He,s got rich friend waiting at home
They know what they want and know who they own
Why pay a tithe when you can pay for the throne?
Cuz ruling the world,s a numbers game
Just ask the meek and the sick and the lame
Cuz they can,t get past the guards down on country club lane
Now he says that he,s got compassion
As much as money can buy
Just don,t hold your breath while your waiting for the pigs to fly by

Love and praise and innocence are like the presidency
The more you pay to get ,em the less that they mean

Rich men with problems in Texas all know
[ Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did lyrics from Song Lyrics - Music Lyrics Now ]
Just ask Boy George he won,t say no
Unless of course you,re an inmate waiting on death row
It might be youthful indiscretion
But what that means nobody knows
It must be the savings and loan he put up his nose

Now he says he,s ready to lead us
At much more than 10 cents a dance
But who,s really paying the tune
While we watch Georgie prance?

I think of Thomas Jefferson
It makes me want to cry
To think that the chair he sat in, someone could buy

George wears his faith like a money belt
But I,ll pray to mad Tom instead
Please come back Tom and save us from King George again and his friends

If praying made George successful
Oh hell I,ll give it a try

I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die
I,m prayin, sing it
I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, like it,s going out of style
I,m prayin, ya I,m prayin,
For George Bush to die

Full Song
»» Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics - INSANE CLOWN POSSE

And this just happened to get released during the 2004 Presidential Elections, concidence, I think not.

I find it disgusting that anyone would wish death apon ANY POTUS. I hate Obama, but I damn sure wouldn't want to see anything happen to the guy.

I didn't see Liberals crying out about this song when it was released, but if it's about their boy Obama, oh shit I forgot you cant use the word boy and Obama in the same sentance without being labeled a racist.

 

[bodecea]

Where was all the outrage when songs about praying for George Bush to die were being played all over?

Which songs were those?

And are you telling me that you are NOT outraged about polls about Obama being killed, and thus you were NOT outraged about praying for Bush's death?

Or are you saying that you are outraged by BOTH?

Insane Clown Posse – Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics

There,s a man we all know
Looks like his dad and has got lot,s of dough
He comes from Texas and he runs the show
He,s got more money then you,ll ever see
That,s why he wants the presidency
To stretch that all mighty dollar from sea to shining sea
He says that he,s not religious
He,s just puttin, his faith in the lord
Hey why take chances when your after your final reward?
Well if prayin, has made him successful
Then hell, I,ll give it a try

So I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die

I don,t really want him to die man, it,s a joke

He,s got rich friend waiting at home
They know what they want and know who they own
Why pay a tithe when you can pay for the throne?
Cuz ruling the world,s a numbers game
Just ask the meek and the sick and the lame
Cuz they can,t get past the guards down on country club lane
Now he says that he,s got compassion
As much as money can buy
Just don,t hold your breath while your waiting for the pigs to fly by

Love and praise and innocence are like the presidency
The more you pay to get ,em the less that they mean

Rich men with problems in Texas all know
[ Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did lyrics from Song Lyrics - Music Lyrics Now ]
Just ask Boy George he won,t say no
Unless of course you,re an inmate waiting on death row
It might be youthful indiscretion
But what that means nobody knows
It must be the savings and loan he put up his nose

Now he says he,s ready to lead us
At much more than 10 cents a dance
But who,s really paying the tune
While we watch Georgie prance?

I think of Thomas Jefferson
It makes me want to cry
To think that the chair he sat in, someone could buy

George wears his faith like a money belt
But I,ll pray to mad Tom instead
Please come back Tom and save us from King George again and his friends

If praying made George successful
Oh hell I,ll give it a try

I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die
I,m prayin, sing it
I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, like it,s going out of style
I,m prayin, ya I,m prayin,
For George Bush to die

Full Song
»» Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics - INSANE CLOWN POSSE

And this just happened to get released during the 2004 Presidential Elections, concidence, I think not.

I find it disgusting that anyone would wish death apon ANY POTUS. I hate Obama, but I damn sure wouldn't want to see anything happen to the guy.

I didn't see Liberals crying out about this song when it was released, but if it's about their boy Obama, oh shit I forgot you cant use the word boy and Obama in the same sentance without being labeled a racist.

Horrible! Never heard of this group and hope they go broke from lack of people buying their crap.

 

[MaggieMae]

According to CBS and Facebook:

Facebook Poll Asks if Obama Should be Killed - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, elsewhere. Any opinions on this? I find it shocking.

Hell no!!!! Then we would have Joe Biden as President. You know, the guy who just recently stated that the stimulus package has worked "beyond his wildest dreams." 15 million unemployed and rising, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I certainly don't want him as President.

BTW There was a book describing how to assisinate Bush, so don't do too much whining over this topic it kind of comes off hypocritical.

How high would the unemployment rate be were it NOT for the stimulus package? Double? At least states were able to avoid layoffs and schools remain open because teachers wouldn't be laid off.

Many businesses failed because they could no longer get credit because of the failed financial institutions, which created a tsunami from an already growing wave of unemployment.

If you're so concerned about how the stimulus money is being spent, there are several websites tracking it, this one being the best.

Propublica | Stimulus: How Fast We're Spending $792 Billion

 

[MaggieMae]

A poll question is not a death threat...
but in post 14 you see an actual death threat against Bush made in 2003 and its gets no response, no comment.....47 later posts and not a word of outrage....ironic...

We're supposed to be outraged now? What's anyone supposed to do about a POSTER? What could anyone have done about a poster drawing even back in 2003?

The Internet has become a more dangerous place with increased usage from 2003. I can remember no one daring to use the "A" word or the "K" word for fear of getting booted off a message board. That's no longer true because of the volume of traffic compared to six years ago.

 

[KittenKoder]

Which songs were those?

And are you telling me that you are NOT outraged about polls about Obama being killed, and thus you were NOT outraged about praying for Bush's death?

Or are you saying that you are outraged by BOTH?

Insane Clown Posse – Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics

There,s a man we all know
Looks like his dad and has got lot,s of dough
He comes from Texas and he runs the show
He,s got more money then you,ll ever see
That,s why he wants the presidency
To stretch that all mighty dollar from sea to shining sea
He says that he,s not religious
He,s just puttin, his faith in the lord
Hey why take chances when your after your final reward?
Well if prayin, has made him successful
Then hell, I,ll give it a try

So I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die

I don,t really want him to die man, it,s a joke

He,s got rich friend waiting at home
They know what they want and know who they own
Why pay a tithe when you can pay for the throne?
Cuz ruling the world,s a numbers game
Just ask the meek and the sick and the lame
Cuz they can,t get past the guards down on country club lane
Now he says that he,s got compassion
As much as money can buy
Just don,t hold your breath while your waiting for the pigs to fly by

Love and praise and innocence are like the presidency
The more you pay to get ,em the less that they mean

Rich men with problems in Texas all know
[ Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did lyrics from Song Lyrics - Music Lyrics Now ]
Just ask Boy George he won,t say no
Unless of course you,re an inmate waiting on death row
It might be youthful indiscretion
But what that means nobody knows
It must be the savings and loan he put up his nose

Now he says he,s ready to lead us
At much more than 10 cents a dance
But who,s really paying the tune
While we watch Georgie prance?

I think of Thomas Jefferson
It makes me want to cry
To think that the chair he sat in, someone could buy

George wears his faith like a money belt
But I,ll pray to mad Tom instead
Please come back Tom and save us from King George again and his friends

If praying made George successful
Oh hell I,ll give it a try

I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, up to the sky
I,m prayin, I,m praying
I,m prayin, for George Bush to die
I,m prayin, sing it
I,m prayin,
I,m prayin, like it,s going out of style
I,m prayin, ya I,m prayin,
For George Bush to die

Full Song
»» Fuck George Bush Like His Dad Did Lyrics - INSANE CLOWN POSSE

And this just happened to get released during the 2004 Presidential Elections, concidence, I think not.

I find it disgusting that anyone would wish death apon ANY POTUS. I hate Obama, but I damn sure wouldn't want to see anything happen to the guy.

I didn't see Liberals crying out about this song when it was released, but if it's about their boy Obama, oh shit I forgot you cant use the word boy and Obama in the same sentance without being labeled a racist.

Horrible! Never heard of this group and hope they go broke from lack of people buying their crap.

1. It's their freedom of speech, so stopping them would be wrong to.

2. They are still pretty popular (I don't like the band in general because I don't like that style of music) but they still make a lot of money.

3. I've seen worse lyrics in religious songs.